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Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:41:00 - [1] Originally by: oniplE Can i get a summary? I wasted enough time on reading the first part of the propaganda trilogy.. Summary of the three threads (my comments in brackets): -BoB only ever fought in wars it could not possibly lose (except now it does, the reason being, according to James, "Oops"). -The aura of invincibility of BoB was shattered at 9-9, and thus BoB's enemies are no longer fearful of it (So when were RAGoon ever fearful of BoB?). -BoB recruited too many "win at all costs" players, who will not stick around if the going gets tough (because obviously, James 315 knows each and every new BoB pilot and their motivations for joining). -The BoB leadership is lying to the memberbase (I'd really like to know what James' source on this is... or could it possibly be just more conjecture, like everything else he said?). -Time is on RSF's side, as more and more Goons get in caps while the BoB supercap advantage has been nerfed to oblivion (perhaps the sole valid point in all the crap, but then again, having a cap ship and knowing how to use it is two different things... 9-9 cap battle, anyone? Plus, while I agree that the fact that goons now fly T2 is not a sign of weakness, it hasn't improved their tactical success in any reasonable measure, so again, having something and knowing how to actually use it are two different things). -BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot). -At the first opportunity, the "pets" will turn on their masters (looking past the childish namecalling on James' part, this would have had happened a long time ago, if it ever was going to happen. In all honesty, Intrepid Crossing DID turn on BoB... but no one else did... isn't that something?). There you go: 10+ pages of bullsh*t summarised into one.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:13:00 - [2] Originally by: Stelteck Really ? BOB was very close to be a so massive power that no one could hope to stand against it. It is still very dangerous and the defeat of the last coalition that stand against them may threaten the overall balance and interest of the eve universe and even send it to its end. There is no such threat coalition side, as the coalition is composed of many medium sized power, who band together only to counter BOB. An interesting eve universe is not an eve were a major power control all 0.0. It is an eve universe where many medium size power battle each over. It is an eve universe where you can built an alliance from scratch, like TCF one year ago and hope to gain a place in the cold immensity of 0.0 regions. It is not a place where you must ask BOB for doing anything in 0.0, or be crushed by overhelming forces. That's why BOB is not a common alliance. That's why BOB is dangerous. That's why bob shall be fighted by all people who love eve in this galaxy. Stelteck. Mon cher ami, vous Otes nanf si vous croyez que BoB peut vraiment contr(ller la totalitT de l'espace 0.0. Ils pourraient la conquTrir, certe, mais la tenir? Jamais, simplement parce qu'il faudrait que BoB deviennent absolument GIGANTESQUE ou que le GBC le deviennent, et il n'y a tout simplement pas assez de personnes dans Eve pour remplir ces r(les, et encore moins qui seraient prOt a joindre BoB ou le GBC. Cela est sans compter que si BoB rTussissait a conquTrir et tenir la totalitT du 0.0, CCP pourrait simplement crTer de nouvelles rTgions ad vitam aeternam, jusqu'a ce que BoB ne puisse rTussir a mettre le grappin dessus. And this is why I belive you are wrong.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 18:25:07 Originally by: Rochel Hakiri Originally by: Stelteck Originally by: Deschenus Maximus -BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot). Really ? BOB was very close to be a so massive power that no one could hope to stand against it. It is still very dangerous and the defeat of the last coalition that stand against them may threaten the overall balance and interest of the eve universe and even send it to its end. There is no such threat coalition side, as the coalition is composed of many medium sized power, who band together only to counter BOB. An interesting eve universe is not an eve were a major power control all 0.0. It is an eve universe where many medium size power battle each over. It is an eve universe where you can built an alliance from scratch, like TCF one year ago and hope to gain a place in the cold immensity of 0.0 regions. It is not a place where you must ask BOB for doing anything in 0.0, or be crushed by overhelming forces. That's why BOB is not a common alliance. That's why BOB is dangerous. That's why bob shall be fighted by all people who love eve in this galaxy. Stelteck. QFT, If BoB happen to win the war, then all of EvE will lose. But I can understand the angry replies of BoB/Pets, they dont want more people starting to realise the truth Good read! Here's what I replied to Stelbeck (in English this time): "My dear friend, you are naive if you believe that BoB can control the entirety of 0.0 space. They may conquer it, bu hold it? Never, simply because BoB or the GBC would need to become GIGANTIC, and there is simply not enough people in Eve to fill that role, and even less willing to join BoB/the GBC. This is not taking into account the fact that if BoB successfully managed to take and hold all of 0.0, CCP could simply create more regions until BoB couldn't put their paws on all of them." Edit: some parts were still in French
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:33:00 - [4] Originally by: John McCloud It's just hilarious to see how much the BOB pets embrace their slavery and come to the defence of anything BOB I don't defend "anything BoB", but I will attack pure, unaldurated bullsit, though. And instead of namecalling, how about you refute what I said? Originally by:* John McCloud Makes me think of Xelas before they got evicted. They too would furiously attack anything on COAD which put BOB in a negative light! Right until the very moment they, themsleves, where kicked out by their precious masters. Quite a few ex-Xelas still defend BoB on the forums, even though they are now "free"... how about that? Could it possibly be because the BoB position has some value? shock and horror
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Psilocin And what do you call fighting almost exclusively with supercapitals that cannot be killed and even using them in ways that are later deemed to be an exploit? I'd say he's more qualified than anyone. Yes, because there's nothing in between a smartbombing, stabbed megathron and supercaps. Also, FIX is well known for its supercap fleet. 10 Titans and 50 Moms, at least. Originally by: Psilocin But then again, FIX lawl This argument carries much weight in debates. That's how Bush got the US to go to Iraq. Guys against Iraq: long list of reasons why it's a bad idea to go to Iraq Bush: lawl Hippies
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth You know, for an alliance that prides itself on not smacking and keeping honorable, it's funny to see every other post in this thread is by a FIX member. Considering that the OP contains pure concentrated insults against the GBC (and thus, against FIX), can you blame them?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? Dude, you're on BoB's side! That's just too much irony. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: no side in this war can claim the moral high ground. It's as simple as that.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Ogodai John Then you're replying to the wrong person. I am pretty sure it wasn't me talking about "ethics, decency and morals". You will probably have to say it again. Oh I know, I was simply throwing it out there (again). Originally by: Ogodai John Sheeesh, why doesn't the general public finally listen to you? Because I'm "a BoB pet", and apparently, that discredits everything I say, no matter how true it might be.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Ogodai John Talking to the right people might be a good start!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Ogodai John You'd like to reply to the right people, but you decide not to, because "some" of them are in your camp and you don't want to **** on your friends parade, so you decide to school me while you mean avernus, hoping that he would get the hint? Seriously, is that what you mean with ""? Yes. Generally, what I say is valid for both parties, even if I don't go out pointing at my allies directly. And I didn't meant to "scool you" or anything... sorry if it seemed that way.

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Local Her0 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Because I'm "a BoB pet", and apparently, that discredits everything I say, no matter how true it might be. You're a BoB pet? Huh, news to me. You seem to be in total agreement with Goons. Just because I'm a member of the GBC doesn't mean that I am a brainwashed zombie. I agree with whom I believe is right, wether that be a BoB, RA, Goon or TCF poster. u choose a side of which u think will win in the end -> ergo u believe this right etc, get over it, win some lose some, this time u lose tho I believe is OVERALL right; that doesn't stop me with disagreeing with some things my side says or agreeing with some things the other side is saying.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 20:23:01 Originally by: Ogodai John You're a rare kind. For a Bobbit! Hahahahahahahaahaaaha! No, no, no... you're doing it all wrong... it's "pet" or "slave", generally preceded by "lol", "lawl" or "STFU". Allow me to exemplify: Ex 1: Me: Says something Someone from the other side: lawl pet Ex 2: Me: Says something else Someone from the other side: STFU SLAVE! EDIT: Although, I do believe someone called me a BoB alt once. Originally by: Ogodai John No offense taken, btw. Cool
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? OMFG Best usage of Wikipedia in the history of the Eve-O forums, by a mile.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:53:00 - [14] Originally by: TrevorReznik The only thing saving BoB right now is cyno jammers slowing down the attacking forces :) 16 million HP... Have fun
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Joerd Toastius The tl;dr, low-fat, girlfriend-free, bias- (can't achieve -- with my current alliance tags) executive summary of these last three threads works out as something like this: My summary was shorter, tbh
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Local Her0 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean If you are gonna post predictions about somthing as fluid as a war id like the numbers for next weeks lottery please. voting worst response so far Come on... there's been far worse than that in this thread.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 20:47:07 Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? OMFG Best usage of Wikipedia in the history of the Eve-O forums, by a mile. Thank you. I live to please (much like you, petslave!). Oooh... combining the two... shiny! gives Ogodai a gold star for creativity
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Ogodai John Sigh, how did it come to this? When did this perfectly good mudfight turn into some sort of lighthearted civilized banter? Seriously, your masters must be dissapointed in your lack of fighting spirit on this very forum, good sir! ****, you're right... if I don't flame, Molle will molest me... hum... YOU SUCK! There! Got away scot free... I hope...
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John Sigh, how did it come to this? When did this perfectly good mudfight turn into some sort of lighthearted civilized banter? Seriously, your masters must be dissapointed in your lack of fighting spirit on this very forum, good sir! ***, you're right... if I don't flame, Molle will molest me... hum... YOU SUCK! There! Got away scot free... I hope... shakes head in disgust* Deschenus, I expected more from you. Just when we started to have a civilized discussion on CAOD - and I might add that this happens rarely enough these days - you just have to fall back to your old habbits and start flaming on the lowest levels. I "suck"? How does my rl sexual orientation factor into anything concerning the topic at hand? And all of this just to please your masters, pet? Dissapointed, O.J. GOD! YOU ARE RIGHT! commits seppuku
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Onwyn Orbatsuu I'm sorry, but when did this become a FIX thread? When the OP insulted the entirety of the GBC? Originally by: Onwyn Orbatsuu If bob wants to smack, let bob smack, I'm sure they don't need FIX to stand up for them. Not everything is about BoB, believe it or not. Originally by: Onwyn Orbatsuu Kind of like the little brother throwing a rock at some kid and then hoding behind his older larger brother... oh wait. Are you sure you want to head down that path?

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Ki An Well, I'd like to apologize for my behaviour in this thread. I feel the OP is wrong, but that's just his opinion. The reason for this apology is a convo I had with a respected member of -A- alliance, who gracefully convo'ed me in game to state that I perhaps was a bit harsh in some of my replies. Here's the log of the chat with my benefactor in -A-. /Ki Anyone surprised by the Crucifier tough guy routine? Anyone?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Ki An Well, I'd like to apologize for my behaviour in this thread. I feel the OP is wrong, but that's just his opinion. The reason for this apology is a convo I had with a respected member of -A- alliance, who gracefully convo'ed me in game to state that I perhaps was a bit harsh in some of my replies. Here's the log of the chat with my benefactor in -A-. /Ki [ 2007.07.29 21:52:08 ] Ki An > Are you aware that my son has been reading this convo? thanks for this So you're going to pick on that on that and not the line after line of "internet tough guy" routine Crucifier was spewing out?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Ki An Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Feterous Jolin Don't mess with D-C Anyone care to explain?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.30 07:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Voculus Quote: Could it possibly be because the BoB position has some value? No. Yes.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Orebuster Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Here's what I replied to Stelbeck (in English this time): Didn't care when you wrote it in Frogtalk, care less now. I'm sure TCF are enjoying your slurring of their mother tongue. Idiot.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:58:00 - [27] Mr ForumPosterAlt, I'm going to answer some of your questions. You may not believe, and probably will not believe, what I will tell you, but you have my word that I am being truthful. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt And really I am confused why all of BoB's pets are still defending BoB, BoB doesn't defend you, That is untrue. BoB is always willing to give a hand when they can. No only that, but they will assist on important ops, such as outpost deployments. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt they just mooch off of you. How many billions of isk have the pets paid BoB? Not all members of the GBC pay rent. And even then, 6B a month (the standard rate, I believe, though I am uncertain of this) is a joke, on an alliance level. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt And they just waste it on overpriced modules that they lose in common fleet battles. More likely, the rent is used to fuel the hundreds of POSes BoB uses. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt BoB pets could defend themselves much better, and much cheaper, than if they were paying BoB. That is also untrue. 6B a month is nothing to get the backing of one of the best and most powerful alliances in game. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Open your damn eyes. You're paying BoB so that BoB doesn't destroy you. But they can't even defend "their space" that you're renting. As explained above, that is not what rent buys you. Any member of the GBC could simply pack up and head to the Drone regions to be "free", or, barring that, could've pulled an Intrepid Crossing, and switched sides at the beginning of the war.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Alias11 XELAS, GONAD I was wondering how long it would take before someone brought that up. In the case of Xelas, I believe that it was fair compensation for the time that alliance got to enjoy one of the best regions for free. An outpost is what? 30B? That's 5 months' rent, and Xelas was in Fountain for longer than that, IIRC. As for GONAD, I am not familiar with what happened. All I know is that they were there one day, and pretty much gone the next. Care to enlighten me?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Naw dude those alliances were bad unlike ISS / RISE / Digital Renegades / TSC they'll never get kicked out their relationship with BoB is different It is possibly that BoB could decide they want us out someday, but that could come tomorrow, or never, so in the meantime, might as well enjoy the ride.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:33:00 - [30] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 31/07/2007 02:33:06 Originally by: Martin VanBuren It's just amusing how fanatically you all defend people who will set you red as soon as you fail to make rent or they become dissatisfied with the number of hostiles in your space. That which you call "fanatism" stems from having had nothing but good experiences working alongside BoB. All we ever get from the other side is endless smack... why should we switch sides again?

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:57:00 - [31] Originally by: Alias11 GONAD got griefed right back to empire. XELAS was living in fountain, a region that you can't really get kicked out of because of the npc stations 1) When you say "griefed back to empire", what do you refer to? Just roaming gank squads or something else? 2) From all accounts, Xelas wasn't exactly fairing too well when BoB pulled that plug, so to speak. So I'm not personnaly surprised that they chose to leave instead of stay.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Gentlemen, behold! This is one of the folk you pay rent to. Brilliant post compared to this gem from one of your corpmates: Originally by: Etien Aldragoran More like, you're a mental incompetent, and given the other DR morons I've run into it seems like you've gravitated to your peers in the world of the feeble minded. Ergo, making an assumption, based off first impressions, which is more than enough for me, your whole alliance is composed of the braindead, and vegetables barely able to roll their wheelchair over to the computer and type out some idiotic dribble on forums, while saliva drools down their chin and they **** themselves, because they're too goddamned stupid to ask for help going to the bathroom.

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