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Midnight Halo	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:07:00 - [1] So I got bored last night and decided I'd work out the math to figure out the following situation.... -Moros with +5 Gallente Dreadnought -Sentry Damage Augmentor II (only 1 is 300 calibration) -5 Garde T2 with max sentry skills The verdict? 950 dps.....this is just from five drones. It'd probably be more with 2x Sentry Damage Augmentor I's, but I'm not exactly sure how stacking penalties work. BTW, when is QuickFit and that Drone Spreadsheet going to have t2 sentries in it?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:11:00 - [2] thats nothing, think thanatossers and mynx's
Midnight Halo	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Midnight Halo on 31/07/2007 16:13:59 Um, they get fighter damage bonuses....the Moros gets 50% DRONE damage each level for a total of 250%. They might do more damage over all (actually I'm sure they do), but this is just 5 drones on a Moros. This isn't including siege/guns/etc.
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:17:00 - [4] The only way a Thanatos outdpses a Moros is with 5 Drone Control Units and Carrier 5. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Anubis Xian The only way a Thanatos outdpses a Moros is with 5 Drone Control Units and Carrier 5. ah forgive me, i thought it was the other way round. moros shouldnt hav a drone dmg bonus anyway. dreads are ment to be big ass guns or torps and tahts that.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:23:00 - [6] Wouldn't it be better to use 2x Sentry Damage Augmentor I's rather than 1x Sentry Damage Augmentor II?
Midnight Halo	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Kruel Wouldn't it be better to use 2x Sentry Damage Augmentor I's rather than 1x Sentry Damage Augmentor II? Yeah, but I wasn't sure how two 10% rigs worked with stacking...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 16:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Midnight Halo Originally by: Kruel Wouldn't it be better to use 2x Sentry Damage Augmentor I's rather than 1x Sentry Damage Augmentor II? Yeah, but I wasn't sure how two 10% rigs worked with stacking... 1.1*1.086=19% If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:31:00 - [9] Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals.

DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:53:00 - [12] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE Whether the cruiser should die or not is irrelevent. What IS relevent is whether any of the other 3 Dreads can so easily kill the same cruiser in a similar situaion. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE Whether the cruiser should die or not is irrelevent. What IS relevent is whether any of the other 3 Dreads can so easily kill the same cruiser in a similar situaion. yeah, dark elf managed to miss my piont intirely lol all other dreads get some drones, but they dont insta mash up the support they are shooting
Mad Bomber Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:09:00 - [14] I will probably get nerfed, but a dread takes quite awhile to lock a cruiser
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE Whether the cruiser should die or not is irrelevent. What IS relevent is whether any of the other 3 Dreads can so easily kill the same cruiser in a similar situaion. why is that relavant at all? this is eve not world of warcraft. things are actually different. what other dread can fire forever without reloading it's guns? only the rev, what other dread can pwn a bs in 1 volley? pretty much just the phoenix, all dreads are different and have different bonuses. DE
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE Whether the cruiser should die or not is irrelevent. What IS relevent is whether any of the other 3 Dreads can so easily kill the same cruiser in a similar situaion. It's the same way a Phoenix can insta-pop a battleship with it's torps. The Revelation can't do that. Neither can the Moros with it's main guns. But the Phoenix can. Nerf it. When are you people going to STFU about the Moros? Originally by: Goumindong it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Dr Fighter on 31/07/2007 18:18:27 i realise this isnt wow, the discussion is about roles, and the moros fills way mroe roles than it should. yes the pheonix can pop dreads with alot of help from painters etc, but i spose anyother dread and pwn a frig as long as its painted and webbed to hell. the moros however rips anything smaller to bits with its overpowerd drones WHILE siegeing a pos etc all on its own, ergo overpowered. its too powerful on its own.
Andre Ricard Gallente Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE Whether the cruiser should die or not is irrelevent. What IS relevent is whether any of the other 3 Dreads can so easily kill the same cruiser in a similar situaion. So you are saying a Rail-Megathron should be able to kill that cruiser same as a Cruise-Raven? Or A Typhoon able to use E-war just like a Scorpian? Hell, if CCP wanted every ship-class for each race to perform in the exact same way, there would be only 1 race, not 4.
Andre Ricard Gallente Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Dr Fighter Edited by: Dr Fighter on 31/07/2007 18:18:27 i realise this isnt wow, the discussion is about roles, and the moros fills way mroe roles than it should. yes the pheonix can pop dreads with alot of help from painters etc, but i spose anyother dread and pwn a frig as long as its painted and webbed to hell. the moros however rips anything smaller to bits with its overpowerd drones WHILE siegeing a pos etc all on its own, ergo overpowered. its too powerful on its own. How many times have you even fought against a moros? Are you saying they are over-powered from experiance, or are you sitting in empire looking up the stats on the market while you run your ez-mode missions and just want something to compain about?
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:31:00 - [20] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE Whether the cruiser should die or not is irrelevent. What IS relevent is whether any of the other 3 Dreads can so easily kill the same cruiser in a similar situaion. why is that relavant at all? this is eve not world of warcraft. things are actually different. what other dread can fire forever without reloading it's guns? only the rev, what other dread can pwn a bs in 1 volley? pretty much just the phoenix, all dreads are different and have different bonuses. DE The Phoenix needs help to do that...the Moros doesnt. The Revelation doesnt need to reload to continue doing most of its DPS and neither does the Moros. The Moros does more DPS without Siege Modules than every ship cheaper than a Mothership. The Moros is the only Capital ship that gets bonuses to weapons not designed specifically for a capital ship. The Moros is the only Capital that can solo a capital killer gang. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.

Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:36:00 - [21] wow all the best points in one reply. and yes Andre Ricard, im talking from experience, some players even just using the moros for anti ship work, with a bunch of sensor boosters.
Kunming The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:38:00 - [22] Moros sucks with POS sieging, the drone thingy is the only real bonus thats going for it and the only reason why ppl train for it, nerf it and it will be inferior at both DPS AND Tank amongst all dreads. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Andre Ricard Originally by: Anubis Xian Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dr Fighter Originally by: Sokratesz Moros + any drones = OW Try 5 hobgoblin II's, they rip apart cruisers like there's no tomorrow. oh rly, hows that not overpowered. and POS AND anti support while the other 3 dreads get just anti pos. also its got a huge drone bay for a wide section of drones plus spares.. i feel totally boned training amarr capitals. how is a dread killing a cruiser easily overpowered? u think the cruiser should win that battle? jess...is there any ship/bonus/mechanic in eve that at least someone doesn't whine about? DE Whether the cruiser should die or not is irrelevent. What IS relevent is whether any of the other 3 Dreads can so easily kill the same cruiser in a similar situaion. So you are saying a Rail-Megathron should be able to kill that cruiser same as a Cruise-Raven? Or A Typhoon able to use E-war just like a Scorpian? Hell, if CCP wanted every ship-class for each race to perform in the exact same way, there would be only 1 race, not 4. Cruise-Ravens shouldnt exist for one. And what does E-War have to do with it? It has nothing to do with performing the same...its the net effect that is supposed to be 'balanced'. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Anubis Xian The only way a Thanatos outdpses a Moros is with 5 Drone Control Units and Carrier 5. Seeing how the +250% would equal 5 * 3.5 = 17.5 drones... I can't quite see where the last 2.5 drones worth of damage comes from? Post count: 517380
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:52:00 - [25] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Anubis Xian The only way a Thanatos outdpses a Moros is with 5 Drone Control Units and Carrier 5. Seeing how the +250% would equal 5 * 3.5 = 17.5 drones... I can't quite see where the last 2.5 drones worth of damage comes from? That Thanatos is using Fighters. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:31:00 - [26] The Moros role as an small ship killer is fully intended. Read its in-game description. How useful are those heavy drones when it's performing the normal role of a Dreadnought sieging POS's? ------------------
Moira Pricecheck	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:35:00 - [27] Originally by: murder one It's the same way a Phoenix can insta-pop a battleship with it's torps. The Revelation can't do that. Neither can the Moros with it's main guns. But the Phoenix can. Nerf it. When are you people going to STFU about the Moros? I personally have seen a Revelation, in siege over a POS, insta-pop a tempest that made the mistake of poking it's head outside the shield. Tempest was at long range, moving very slowly, but was not painted/webbed/etc. Each laser hit for 8k.
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:55:00 - [28] Quote: The Moros role as an small ship killer is fully intended. Read its in-game description. How useful are those heavy drones when it's performing the normal role of a Dreadnought sieging POS's? Yeah when sieging pos the moros drops out some sentries, and woah there an extra thousand dps against the pos.
Orion Phoenix Pringles Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.01 03:20:00 - [29] Gallente ships are known for having drone/dronebay bonuses. Most Gallente ships have larger dronebays than opposing races. Therefore the Moros is able to have a drone bonus and a superior dronebay.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.08.01 03:29:00 - [30] a thanatos does more dps than a moros? on what?



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