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ISD Eshtir
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:33:00 -
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As mentioned before in this thread. If you think there is a bot out there use the report feature ingame.
You should not go on the forums to "name and shame" them. Think of the civilians! 
ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Ratnose Banker
Pink Sockers
20
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:45:00 -
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Don't name and shame because then everyone can watchlist them and see that they never get banned! |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
540
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:51:00 -
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Ratnose Banker wrote:Don't name and shame because then everyone can watchlist them and see that they never get banned!
Tell me what evidence do you have that said characters are bots? Again many of these missions are run from a POS PC or laptop at work. Our job is reporting them and letting CCP do their jobs when it comes to removing bots from the game. The accuracy of the report bot function is variable but it is better to use it if you have details CCP can use rather than moaning about it on the forums. |

Tuggboat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.01.13 20:22:00 -
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Hey won't this raise implant prices?
I used to like to run couriers out of this system that had a lot of bots. They were all super short so I got my new corp members to run them to get a start making isk. I really like the new system for docking on auto pilot. I ought to try couriers again. I really support OP's hard work as well as naming the system. If he saw that list logging off everytime, I think a TLDR of shame is a good deterrent. See, even though I knew a person or two, I wouldn't turn them in cause they also played the game and were nice people to boot. Couple of the names were familiar and had chatted with them on other channels.. I guess I really don't have a problem with a real player making extra isk and keeping implant prices down.
The only thing that really irritated me was them flying Amarr ships in Minmatar space and grinding standings where they shouldn't even be showing their face. Not in my backyard Amarr  |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
540
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Posted - 2012.01.13 20:26:00 -
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Again if you see a bot use the report bot function and let CCP do their jobs. Just be sure to get as much detail as possible. |

Fustor
Fatal Terror
13
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Posted - 2012.01.13 21:16:00 -
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Tuggboat wrote:Hey won't this raise implant prices? I used to like to run couriers out of this system that had a lot of bots. They were all super short so I got my new corp members to run them to get a start making isk. I really like the new system for docking on auto pilot. I ought to try couriers again. I really support OP's hard work as well as naming the system. If he saw that list logging off everytime, I think a TLDR of shame is a good deterrent. See, even though I knew a person or two, I wouldn't turn them in cause they also played the game and were nice people to boot. Couple of the names were familiar and had chatted with them on other channels.. I guess I really don't have a problem with a real player making extra isk and keeping implant prices down. The only thing that really irritated me was them flying Amarr ships in Minmatar space and grinding standings where they shouldn't even be showing their face. Not in my backyard Amarr 
Some of you do not understand the point Problem is not only in implant cost ... standard implants was 22M when Crucible realised as a result of font change (bots stopped working) .. I am not talking about only 100 bots .. I am talking about 1000+ bots doing courier missions that using 1000x plex per month increasing PLEX cost and making lag. Individual like me can only stand and watch that.
I can report 10 botters .. CCP will ban 10 botters .. 10 botters will buy 10x Plex on market to create 10 new accounts .. then I will pay plex 500M instead of 300M |

Ratnose Banker
Pink Sockers
21
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Posted - 2012.01.13 21:33:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ratnose Banker wrote:Don't name and shame because then everyone can watchlist them and see that they never get banned! Tell me what evidence do you have that said characters are bots? Again many of these missions are run from a POS PC or laptop at work. Our job is reporting them and letting CCP do their jobs when it comes to removing bots from the game. The accuracy of the report bot function is variable but it is better to use it if you have details CCP can use rather than moaning about it on the forums.
report-a-bot works just as well as moaning on the forums or inhaling your own farts from my experience. |

Zleon Leigh
53
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Posted - 2012.01.13 21:51:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:As mentioned before in this thread. If you think there is a bot out there use the report feature ingame. You should not go on the forums to "name and shame" them. Think of the civilians! 
Without feedback - reporting in game feels pretty useless.
Civilians don't have anything to worry about. Pretty much apparent from known facts that bots don't either.
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
257
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:33:00 -
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Report them and be sure to include the logging out and back in behavior. That may be a new method botters are using to hide from CCP's detection tools. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |

Ratnose Banker
Pink Sockers
22
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:27:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Report them and be sure to include the logging out and back in behavior. That may be a new method botters are using to hide from CCP's detection tools.
have you reported a bot? You have no option to include any info about them. Just report, receive pop up. If you send info via petition the GM will tell you to report bots via report-a-bot and then close your petition. |

DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
200
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Posted - 2012.01.15 03:59:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:use the report feature ingame.
This, because I bet CCP are just so eager to ban 107 paying accounts.
Damn nature, you scary! |

Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:04:00 -
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ok so, report the bots and maybe even consider ganking them (if the bots pass through .5 or .6 a dessie can probably do the job) |

Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
17
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:50:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tepir wrote:... there are guys with 4-5 pc's who all day run couriers missions, sell ISK for real money and ... Umm ... I have run bots before in a game, to test the NPCs before implementing them. You don't need 4-5 computers. All they are is scripted code that can run in a .bat file and looks like a DOS window scrolling through code. They don't load graphical features and all sorts of code such as UI and object interaction gets thrown out. For the purpose of that NPC, it knows what it does and only needs to code to do that job. Edit: To have some idea easily, load bots in a LAN game of Counter Strike. All those characters are doing roughly the same things as players but they are running on a single client.
OK let me say like this. I know that guy in real life . I was at his home .He live realy close to me . He have 5 lab tops which he bought at 50 euros each from some gipseys who stolled named labtops in germany. Those labtops dont have displays at all. They are all somehow (i realy dont know how) connected to one monitor . Each labtop he own run one client 23/7 botting(in his words this 5 labtops working like this are great for power saving, as he told they spend 400% less electric power than as 5 desktops with 5 monitors). I saw him switching from one client to another and i know he earns roughly 5 to 6 bilion PER day only from those bots in asteroid belts . His income increase futher more from mission running and trading which he does from normal pc he got. Now there was no .dos windows etc... those was normal clients . I dont know type of bots etc because im not that good with pc's but one thing i know. 2 years ago he was in Egypt 30 days on holliday from EvE money... and you dont wanna know in what house he lives in. But i did the math. at current income he has (if he doesnt lie) he makes around 20 usd per hour of doin nothing . I am not sure how much CCP staff is payed but in my country he has higher tax free income than Doctors, Surgeons hell he has salary as our President . No jokes .
And he is small fish... realy small fish in the oceans of rmt traders .... I so want that unholly rage thing to happen all over again... and again... and again... So guys such is this see how ordinary people have to actually work to make money.
And yes im mad and agry and you name it because i cant do that >.> to be honest in this economy if i had chance to earn money like this i would. But i cant so nobody other should also =p |

met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:59:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:As mentioned before in this thread. If you think there is a bot out there use the report feature ingame. You should not go on the forums to "name and shame" them. Think of the civilians!  Without feedback - reporting in game feels pretty useless. Civilians don't have anything to worry about. Pretty much apparent from known facts that bots don't either. QFT. Read somewhere that may change soon (tm)  |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
258
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:23:00 -
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Ratnose Banker wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Report them and be sure to include the logging out and back in behavior. That may be a new method botters are using to hide from CCP's detection tools. have you reported a bot? You have no option to include any info about them. Just report, receive pop up. If you send info via petition the GM will tell you to report bots via report-a-bot and then close your petition.
Odd, I remember reporting a bot and seeing something that asked for why I thought it was a bot. Was I dreaming? CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
867
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:27:00 -
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Tepir wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tepir wrote:... there are guys with 4-5 pc's who all day run couriers missions, sell ISK for real money and ... Umm ... I have run bots before in a game, to test the NPCs before implementing them. You don't need 4-5 computers. All they are is scripted code that can run in a .bat file and looks like a DOS window scrolling through code. They don't load graphical features and all sorts of code such as UI and object interaction gets thrown out. For the purpose of that NPC, it knows what it does and only needs to code to do that job. Edit: To have some idea easily, load bots in a LAN game of Counter Strike. All those characters are doing roughly the same things as players but they are running on a single client. OK let me say like this. I know that guy in real life . I was at his home .He live realy close to me . He have 5 lab tops which he bought at 50 euros each from some gipseys who stolled named labtops in germany. Those labtops dont have displays at all. They are all somehow (i realy dont know how) connected to one monitor . Each labtop he own run one client 23/7 botting(in his words this 5 labtops working like this are great for power saving, as he told they spend 400% less electric power than as 5 desktops with 5 monitors). I saw him switching from one client to another and i know he earns roughly 5 to 6 bilion PER day only from those bots in asteroid belts . His income increase futher more from mission running and trading which he does from normal pc he got. Now there was no .dos windows etc... those was normal clients . I dont know type of bots etc because im not that good with pc's but one thing i know. 2 years ago he was in Egypt 30 days on holliday from EvE money... and you dont wanna know in what house he lives in. But i did the math. at current income he has (if he doesnt lie) he makes around 20 usd per hour of doin nothing . I am not sure how much CCP staff is payed but in my country he has higher tax free income than Doctors, Surgeons hell he has salary as our President . No jokes . And he is small fish... realy small fish in the oceans of rmt traders .... I so want that unholly rage thing to happen all over again... and again... and again... So guys such is this see how ordinary people have to actually work to make money. And yes im mad and agry and you name it because i cant do that >.> to be honest in this economy if i had chance to earn money like this i would. But i cant so nobody other should also =p
yet instead or reporting him to both CCP for botting, and to your local authorities for receiving stolen goods smuggled across international borders, you come to GD and tell us how real the problem is and how mad you are about it.
does not compute
not CCPs problem that you live in some lawless former soviet bloc country The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
24
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:19:00 -
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In my country this isnt a crime . If CCP cant bust this guy on its own they dont deserve to get help. Does scammed people get help ccp when they lose thers 800 mil isk in margin trading scaming ? Does not compute. Does not compute. Error. Error. Tryin to find out who do we care more. CCP or my country m8 .
Il not snitch a guy from my country because he is rippn off some Iceland dude's . But the fact he is doin that and with it ruin my game experience makes me angry . But that in anyway doesnt mean i will report him or do harm to him. CCP has to do it on its own or they dont even deserve to own this game, if they are not capable of protecting its assets /players than what? I should help them ? why ? |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
872
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:44:00 -
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Tepir wrote:In my country this isnt a crime . If CCP cant bust this guy on its own they dont deserve to get help. Does scammed people get help ccp when they lose thers 800 mil isk in margin trading scaming ? Does not compute. Does not compute. Error. Error. Tryin to find out who do we care more. CCP or my country m8 .
Il not snitch a guy from my country because he is rippn off some Iceland dude's . But the fact he is doin that and with it ruin my game experience makes me angry . But that in anyway doesnt mean i will report him or do harm to him. CCP has to do it on its own or they dont even deserve to own this game, if they are not capable of protecting its assets /players than what? I should help them ? why ?
wait? stealing laptops in Germany and selling it in your country isn't a crime? buying several stolen German laptops in your country isn't a crime?
lol @ 3rd world hellhole
so you're ok with the guy ripping off the Germans, but it offends you that he bots?
nice double standard you got there The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Fawcks
Avoid and Evade Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
177
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Posted - 2012.01.17 00:54:00 -
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Feligast wrote:so shoot them.
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Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
24
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Posted - 2012.01.17 01:01:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Tepir wrote:In my country this isnt a crime . If CCP cant bust this guy on its own they dont deserve to get help. Does scammed people get help ccp when they lose thers 800 mil isk in margin trading scaming ? Does not compute. Does not compute. Error. Error. Tryin to find out who do we care more. CCP or my country m8 .
Il not snitch a guy from my country because he is rippn off some Iceland dude's . But the fact he is doin that and with it ruin my game experience makes me angry . But that in anyway doesnt mean i will report him or do harm to him. CCP has to do it on its own or they dont even deserve to own this game, if they are not capable of protecting its assets /players than what? I should help them ? why ? wait? stealing laptops in Germany and selling it in your country isn't a crime? buying several stolen German laptops in your country isn't a crime? lol @ 3rd world hellhole so you're ok with the guy ripping off the Germans, but it offends you that he bots? nice double standard you got there
only because i know its stolled doesnt mean it is. Fact is gipsy people go to german and steal there... than they bring stollen goods to my country and sell it for real low prices. Now why would that bother me ? ? i bought Nokia Lumia for 150 euros , brand new . Payed an extra 20 euros to decode it and i got my self brand new Nokia Lumia . I pay 4 euros per month for every channel there is on Sat . I got over 2 thousand HD channels . Why would i have problems with that ?
Its a crime to steal it... why would it to buy it ?? if he have it there its not buyers faulth , its sellers and inspection faulth they didnt confiscate those goods on border (german one specially for allowing it to leave country at first place) So if somebody steal a car on france and get it all the way to my country w/o getting arrested... than damn... he deserve every penny he gets for it . Again its not buyers faulth. Im not gonna pay 5000 euros for something if i can get it for 1000 .
Im getting offended (read carefull , its not double standard) BECAUSE I CANT MAKE MONEY LIKE THAT, if i cant than NOBODY ELSE SHOULD . if you carefull read my topic above you would see that . im getting mad CCp DOESNT TRY to stop it . As i am getting mad i able to buy labtop for 50 euros! that doesnt mean i will not buy!! im just mad people lose work and economy goes to **** and countries doesnt do anything! but i will still buy it BECAUSE I CAN. Did you get it now ?
i will make you rather simple example:
I meet a women, i know her good , Shes HOT . But she has husband .. kids ... full package And she is willing to sleep with me Now i know its wrong I know there is a chance i can ruin her marriage its against all principes i got (i dont say i have them , its just an example) I will still bang her... only because i can.... Sue me . |

abbagabba
Monster Raving Loonies
0
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Posted - 2012.01.17 01:11:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:ok so, report the bots and maybe even consider ganking them (if the bots pass through .5 or .6 a dessie can probably do the job)
No, 5 low skill dessies might do the job reliably.
There are 100s of these things running about. Don't know they are bots but there is something weird going on.
I set them all to neutral standings so they don't show on my overview and obscure potential targets - currently have well over 100.
The pic below shows the cargo and ship scans from about 15 mins after reenabling neutral standings.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ajuobd&s=5
A few points:
1) They actually fit their ships really well. Itty V with tech II shield extenders and Invul II is the standard fit. ~15kEHP 2) They don't fly on autopilot. 3) They don't seem to need a lot of sleep, someone really likes their courier missions. 4) They are an unfriendly bunch, not one of these dedicated hauler pilots has responded to my convo as they WTZ about 5) Names are weird, two random words from the dictionary or something. You can normally tell it is a courier runner before you scan them from the name. 6) Report bot function doesn't allow you to add an explanation. I'm not going to sit there all night sending bot reports into the void.
Anyone who wants to try and gank these send me an eve mail and we can get a gang going. I have an Orca and can supply a few hundred thrashers.
Needs a bit of co-ordination as but I reckon they can be thinned out a bit.
Send me an eve mail if interested. |

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
42
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Posted - 2012.01.17 01:17:00 -
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And Tepir - I will remark on your morality
Read up on law - local and European, I believe you will need to have an understanding of your rights when you get caught for receiving stolen goods (as well as your buddy) Will you get caught - sure.. because you talk and boast and that will be heard and tracked. Game over buddy
And why - because the person that will make it happen - CAN.
Just like you can I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |

Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
24
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Posted - 2012.01.17 01:23:00 -
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Klandi wrote: Will you get caught - sure.. because you talk and boast and that will be heard and tracked. Game over buddy
If you have sex with hooker you dont get arrested and charged , She does . IF there is Plasma TV on Open market, where i get receit (read this: its not hidden black market. its open on public squares , and everybody have acess) for 250 euros and i buy... i get arrested? ahahah nice sci fi  |
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