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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.12 23:39:00 -
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Titans have a lack of risk for the reward in using them. There 2 basic issues.
1) Opening a jump bridge from inside a POS. This is clearly broken. If a Carrier can not assign fighters inside a POS why can a titan jump an entire fleet from inside the safety of a POS? While the increased risk is minimal having to operate outside a POS it still would provide some sort of risk instead of giving bridging fleets a free ride.
2) When a Titan opens a bridge, after a set time the Titan should have to go though to the target destination. Same would happen if the ship providing a Cyno was destroyed.
Why is this important. A Titan is a strategic asset. They are used today as tactical assets. Have a few ships flying around within your bridging range fit with a cyno. When someone attacks pop cyno and have fleet come in and clean house. Go back and repeat. While your fleet may have X number in it the only ship risked is one bait ship. All reward, no risk and an extreme lack of participation for the pilots in the bridged fleet. More so since they are sitting safe in a POS shield till someone tells them to wake up for a jump.
Using a titan bridge as a substitute for a roving gang results in less PvP overall. Once I see a corp/alliance use a bridge they are put on the "do not engage" list. No more fighting vs them unless you know their titan pilot(s) is off line.
Operating a roaming gang from inside a POS shield is bad game play. Titans should be used strategically, not tactically. If someone wishes to drop the actual titan on a ratter, they are welcome to take that risk. These changes would help fix the risk/reward balance that is currently out of wack with Titans. |

muhuh Aihaken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.13 00:09:00 -
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#2 Would make Titans useless in 95% of all cases. Titans are an investment to help move fleets around and in most cases you wouldn't bring them into the other side.. unless you are PL so this just means more people flying around being bored.
#1 If the gang is inside the shields they are probably giving out the POS password to there friends. Use spies to get password and bump it out of shields and then kill it. If they are sitting on the edge of the shield bomber wings are your friend. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
813
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Posted - 2012.01.13 00:15:00 -
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I don't know so much about titans
but what you describe is the same for blops, would you want that changed also or just the titans? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.01.13 00:20:00 -
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Clearly you have much experience with titans in your noob corp. That must be why your idea is so well thought out and is likely to be implemented immediately. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.13 00:56:00 -
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muhuh Aihaken wrote:#2 Would make Titans useless in 95% of all cases. Titans are an investment to help move fleets around and in most cases you wouldn't bring them into the other side..
Exactly my point.
You could still use a Titan to move fleets around, the difference is that you would only use a bridge to move a fleet into direct combat if you felt it was worth the risk of having the Titan there. Having a freebie "move your fleet" at no risk to you goes against Eve's core game design.
"Fly what you can afford to lose". Except you don't fly the titan anywhere and you don't lose it to anything. Looks broken to me.
Morganta wrote:I don't know so much about titans
but what you describe is the same for blops, would you want that changed also or just the titans?
As to going though the portal, I could go ether way. Blops are a bit different since there are additional limits to the types of ships that can use the bridge. If a blops can bridge from inside a POS then yes, that should change. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2119
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:05:00 -
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what kind of moron looks at titan proliferation and thinks "what needs a nerf here is the jpg" |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2119
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:07:00 -
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basically this is the dumbest post ever and you should be ashamed you posted it
the two changes that need to be made to titans:
1)remove doomsday 2)remove guns |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
813
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:08:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote:If a blops can bridge from inside a POS then yes, that should change.
Hang on....
you have an opinion on how to nerf the living **** out of titan JBs and you don't know blops can bridge from inside a POS?
ccp should just shut down the forums.... The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

muhuh Aihaken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:12:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote:muhuh Aihaken wrote:#2 Would make Titans useless in 95% of all cases. Titans are an investment to help move fleets around and in most cases you wouldn't bring them into the other side.. You could still use a Titan to move fleets around, the difference is that you would only use a bridge to move a fleet into direct combat if you felt it was worth the risk of having the Titan there. Having a freebie "move your fleet" at no risk to you goes against Eve's core game design.
You risk the cyno ship, the titan risks being bumped out of the pos, isotopes cost money, stront costs money, and titans cost money to.
If you do that to bridging you basically screw the small guys and only alliances with titan blobs will use them so they don't risk losing them. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1200
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:40:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote:Titans have a lack of risk for the reward in using them. There 2 basic issues.
1) Opening a jump bridge from inside a POS. This is clearly broken. If a Carrier can not assign fighters inside a POS why can a titan jump an entire fleet from inside the safety of a POS? While the increased risk is minimal having to operate outside a POS it still would provide some sort of risk instead of giving bridging fleets a free ride.
Used to be that you couldn't portal from inside a POS. So they'd nose out, light portal, head back in. Without the PW, you'd have a hard time bumping it out, though you could dribble it to keep it inside the POS. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
346
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:47:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote:Titans have a lack of risk for the reward in using them. There 2 basic issues.
1) Opening a jump bridge from inside a POS. This is clearly broken. If a Carrier can not assign fighters inside a POS why can a titan jump an entire fleet from inside the safety of a POS? While the increased risk is minimal having to operate outside a POS it still would provide some sort of risk instead of giving bridging fleets a free ride.
2) When a Titan opens a bridge, after a set time the Titan should have to go though to the target destination. Same would happen if the ship providing a Cyno was destroyed.
Why is this important. A Titan is a strategic asset. They are used today as tactical assets. Have a few ships flying around within your bridging range fit with a cyno. When someone attacks pop cyno and have fleet come in and clean house. Go back and repeat. While your fleet may have X number in it the only ship risked is one bait ship. All reward, no risk and an extreme lack of participation for the pilots in the bridged fleet. More so since they are sitting safe in a POS shield till someone tells them to wake up for a jump.
Using a titan bridge as a substitute for a roving gang results in less PvP overall. Once I see a corp/alliance use a bridge they are put on the "do not engage" list. No more fighting vs them unless you know their titan pilot(s) is off line.
Operating a roaming gang from inside a POS shield is bad game play. Titans should be used strategically, not tactically. If someone wishes to drop the actual titan on a ratter, they are welcome to take that risk. These changes would help fix the risk/reward balance that is currently out of wack with Titans.
So, let me guess, you're not ok with Jump Freighters or Carriers jumping from inside POS too right?
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
206
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Posted - 2012.01.13 01:48:00 -
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Their diapers and their bottles? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1518
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Posted - 2012.01.13 02:00:00 -
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Can you tell me how much experience you have with titans in the illustrious ~Center of Advanced Studies~ corporation?
No, I'm not dumb, I know you're a typical alt-posting sperglord, but your ideas are dumb! |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1200
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Can you tell me how much experience you have with titans in the illustrious ~Center of Advanced Studies~ corporation?
No, I'm not dumb, I know you're a typical alt-posting sperglord, but your ideas are dumb!
But if I don't post with my alt, ebil people will wardec me and my CEO will boot me. My internet! |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
341
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:27:00 -
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you spend years perfecting your skills
you spend 80b on a giant space **** called an avatar
and after all that effort you can only use that ship to shave some jumps off of a roam |

Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.13 06:53:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Ashina Sito wrote:If a blops can bridge from inside a POS then yes, that should change. Hang on.... you have an opinion on how to nerf the living **** out of titan JBs and you don't know blops can bridge from inside a POS? ccp should just shut down the forums....
I was not sure about blops inside a POS. For some reason I am never online when the people I fly with have used them. Gave the safe answer. Plus, things change.
Grath Telkin wrote:
So, let me guess, you're not ok with Jump Freighters or Carriers jumping from inside POS too right?
Purdy much. JF's are a no risk ship if you know what your doing. I have been using a carrier for logistics for about 3 years and have never lost it while doing so. |

Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.13 06:55:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote:Morganta wrote:Ashina Sito wrote:If a blops can bridge from inside a POS then yes, that should change. Hang on.... you have an opinion on how to nerf the living **** out of titan JBs and you don't know blops can bridge from inside a POS? ccp should just shut down the forums.... I was not sure about blops inside a POS. For some reason I am never online when the people I fly with have used them. Gave the safe answer. Plus, things change. [quote=Grath Telkin] So, let me guess, you're not ok with Jump Freighters or Carriers jumping from inside POS too right?
Purdy much. JF's are a no risk ship if you know what your doing. I have been using a carrier for logistics for about 3 years and have never lost it while doing so. Less of an issue though.
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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.13 07:38:00 -
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triple post |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
775
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Posted - 2012.01.13 07:51:00 -
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muhuh Aihaken wrote: You risk the cyno ship,

muhuh Aihaken wrote: the titan risks being bumped out of the pos
 
muhuh Aihaken wrote: isotopes cost money
  
muhuh Aihaken wrote: stront costs money
   
muhuh Aihaken wrote: and titans cost money to.
    
In conclusion, .
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1201
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:35:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote: Purdy much. JF's are a no risk ship if you know what your doing. I have been using a carrier for logistics for about 3 years and have never lost it while doing so.
Cloaked Mach sitting off station. (The 20s timer makes it less dangerous, but it can easily wreck your day) |

Avensys
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
87
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:38:00 -
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agree with #1
think #2 is stupid |

Kuzzka
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:48:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote: "Fly what you can afford to lose". Except you don't fly the titan anywhere and you don't lose it to anything. Looks broken to me.
I'm curious who can afford to loose a Titan in eve? i'm not sure one player can afford that. This huge and very expensive ship is nothing without a support. |

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
141
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ashina Sito wrote: Purdy much. JF's are a no risk ship if you know what your doing. I have been using a carrier for logistics for about 3 years and have never lost it while doing so.
Cloaked Mach sitting off station. (The 20s timer makes it less dangerous, but it can easily wreck your day)
This is how CONVICTED recently lost 3x JFs in one go. FALCON PUNCH |

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
71
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Posted - 2012.01.13 09:28:00 -
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This would be funny, we got bridged on my 3 thrashers and a vexor in a suicide attack the other day. 3 thrashers a vexor and a leviathan would have been interesting. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1528
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:48:00 -
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Kuzzka wrote:Ashina Sito wrote: "Fly what you can afford to lose". Except you don't fly the titan anywhere and you don't lose it to anything. Looks broken to me.
I'm curious who can afford to loose a Titan in eve? i'm not sure one player can afford that. This huge and very expensive ship is nothing without a support.
oh man you're so behind the times, people literally have backup titans ready to go on holder alts these days |

Evengard
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:39:00 -
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This is not main problem of Titans.
These days they ruin sov wars in 0.0 with insane turret damage.
Earlyer there was Dreads, with same ability - Hit BS class ships in siege, melting them in seconds, and having alot of hitpoints.
Later Devs said: "Hmm seems like this is wrong" and added siege module penalty, so dreads now only used to shoot POSes
Now again they created a monster, who dominate the field, with no actual counter, except even more massive Super Capital blob. |

Tore Vest
Vikinghall
132
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:51:00 -
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Nerf titans.... Nerf everything else.. Nerf EVE  |

Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
475
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:53:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:basically this is the dumbest post ever and you should be ashamed you posted it
the two changes that need to be made to titans:
1)remove doomsday 2)remove guns
I dunno man I kinda like the idea of huge ships with huge guns on the battlefield. But the OP suggested these "tactical assets" would have to be fielded just like any asset. I like that, it would change the role and presence of a Titan to something that can be caught of guard.
Not unlike a modern day carrier that although an awesome weapon does have to be sent to the theatre of operation (with backup, obviously) and thus is a vulnerable asset if met with a skill-full and capable enemy. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Evengard
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:59:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Nerf EVE 
EVE is ok, titans are not. Again. |

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
8
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Posted - 2012.01.14 19:49:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Ashina Sito wrote: Purdy much. JF's are a no risk ship if you know what your doing. I have been using a carrier for logistics for about 3 years and have never lost it while doing so.
Cloaked Mach sitting off station. (The 20s timer makes it less dangerous, but it can easily wreck your day) This is how CONVICTED recently lost 3x JFs in one go. FALCON PUNCH
He clearly stated no risk if "you know what your doing".
Cynoing into a station that does not have a 20km undock bubble and pressing anything other then stop during the first 20 seconds after undock means you don't know what you are doing.
A competently flown jump freighter has absolutely no risk baring lag or hardware failure.
SKUNK
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