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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:58:00 -
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What makes a POS in high sec worth deccing the owning corp and attacking? What tactics are used to hit the POS? What is the bar to making something to hard to be worth it?
Oh and on a only somewhat related question, will a warp scram battery kill a ships MWD? |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
66
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:53:00 -
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Either:
- You want that moon
- You want to eliminate that competition
- They've annoyed you
- You're just that way out
Slow way would be lasers, depends on if the corp you're deccing is active, and how many players. If they're inactive, dec them and send a few cheapish laser BS over, fire and forget, no worrying about ammo generally. Apart from that, go for max dps, stuff like torp ravens (if you can get in range), cheapish and plentiful.
Depending on how the pos is set up, if it's a large dickstar with loads of ecm, hardeners etc, that would be an annoyance, but hey if you've got the patience to sit at a pos shoot, then just start shooting the annoyances first. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1203
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:49:00 -
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For a POS with no Defenses, Laser Dominix is the way to go. If it's offline you even get to use Pulse Lasers, Multifreq ammo, and Heavy drones.
Another reason could be shiny POS mods hanging on the POS. If you shoot the POS out, you can scoop the expensive mods and blow up the cheap ones(hoping for a drop). |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
357
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Posted - 2012.01.14 11:15:00 -
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People will dec you to hit your POS if they want the moon, or they think they can get good loot from it (because you have labs without an office in system, for example).
People who dec you for other reasons may shoot your POS as a way to force you to fight or take a loss.
POS defense in highsec is a bit like the old saying about running away from a bear. You don't have to outrun the bear, just have to outrun the guy next to you.
So just make your POS as annoying as possible to shoot at. Hardeners for good resists (especially EM/therm for afk laser boats). As much ECM as will fit, so they have to keep locking the tower. At least one warp scram and if possible web, so once they warp to the tower they are stuck there. And a token gun or two to force them to fit a tank.
None of that will stop someone who really wants to hurt you. But it will make casual attackers say "screw this, I'm looking for another target". What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1207
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Posted - 2012.01.14 11:18:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:So just make your POS as annoying as possible to shoot at. Hardeners for good resists (especially EM/therm for afk laser boats). As much ECM as will fit, so they have to keep locking the tower. At least one warp scram and if possible web, so once they warp to the tower they are stuck there. And a token gun or two to force them to fit a tank.
Fit no modules outside the shield. When they shoot the POS, immediately join the DecShield alliance. They will have no way to kite the aggro while you become undecced, so your POS comes out of RF safely undecced for you to rep and restront. |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
357
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Posted - 2012.01.14 11:33:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Fit no modules outside the shield. When they shoot the POS, immediately join the DecShield alliance. They will have no way to kite the aggro while you become undecced, so your POS comes out of RF safely undecced for you to rep and restront. Good point. But that will still get you decced more often than not. The point of the annoying setup is to avoid wars.
You could fit missile batteries instead of guns. Because they (and the ewar) use CPU, they all will go offline if someone reinforces it. Fill the bay with stront, and there's no way they can keep aggro for the entire reinforcement period. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1207
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:35:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Fit no modules outside the shield. When they shoot the POS, immediately join the DecShield alliance. They will have no way to kite the aggro while you become undecced, so your POS comes out of RF safely undecced for you to rep and restront. Good point. But that will still get you decced more often than not. The point of the annoying setup is to avoid wars. You could fit missile batteries instead of guns. Because they (and the ewar) use CPU, they all will go offline if someone reinforces it. Fill the bay with stront, and there's no way they can keep aggro for the entire reinforcement period.
If there is something outside the shield, the attacker can keep an aggro timer by shooting at that something. If they can keep an aggro timer, then you need to time your decshielding such that there is a downtime between dropping out of alliance and your POS coming out of RF.
Much simpler to sidestep the issue, toss a few EM/Therm hardeners (make them pay for being able to AFK) inside and call it a day. Maybe even name the tower "I know about DecShield Alliance" as a wardec preventative measure.
BTW I live in null. How did I end up knowing more about abusing Hisec wardec mechanics than so many Hiseccers? |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
357
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Posted - 2012.01.14 14:53:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:If there is something outside the shield, the attacker can keep an aggro timer by shooting at that something. If they can keep an aggro timer, then you need to time your decshielding such that there is a downtime between dropping out of alliance and your POS coming out of RF. Good point, for a moment I thought the POS had to shoot back, but that's only to aggro neutral reppers. Still, you have 24 hours of warning before the war starts, and 1d 17h of stront in the tower. It should be enough.
Quote:Much simpler to sidestep the issue, toss a few EM/Therm hardeners (make them pay for being able to AFK) inside and call it a day. Maybe even name the tower "I know about DecShield Alliance" as a wardec preventative measure. Honestly, I'd rather avoid wardecs altogether with an annoying POS. Matter of preference, of course.
Quote:BTW I live in null. How did I end up knowing more about abusing Hisec wardec mechanics than so many Hiseccers? That one is easy. Most highseccers have no clue about wardec mechanics at all. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.01.14 15:39:00 -
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If I had assembly arrays at the tower would this be enough to discourage a dec?
Fitting information for Tower 5 (Amarr Control Tower) at a location not specified.
Structure (Status) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Corporate Hangar Array (Online) Explosion Dampening Array (Online) Heat Dissipation Array (Online) Heat Dissipation Array (Online) Heat Dissipation Array (Online) Ion Field Projection Battery (Online) Ion Field Projection Battery (Online) Ion Field Projection Battery (Online) Ion Field Projection Battery (Online) Ion Field Projection Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Medium Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Phase Inversion Battery (Online) Phase Inversion Battery (Online) Phase Inversion Battery (Online) Phase Inversion Battery (Online) Phase Inversion Battery (Online) Photon Scattering Array (Online) Photon Scattering Array (Online) Photon Scattering Array (Online) Small Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Small Pulse Laser Battery (Online) Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online) Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online) Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online) Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online) Spatial Destabilization Battery (Online) Stasis Webification Battery (Online) Warp Disruption Battery (Online) Warp Disruption Battery (Online) Warp Scrambling Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online) White Noise Generation Battery (Online)
CPU Usage: 4440 / 5500 (80.73%) PG Usage: 4407500 / 5000000 (88.15%)
Fitting generated using My POS by Cassandra's Light.
(According to the battleclinic citadel torps can do some damage against stationary AFKers) |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
357
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Posted - 2012.01.14 16:18:00 -
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Yes. Anyone wanting to take that down better be prepared to spend many billions in mercs. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
410
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:41:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:If I had assembly arrays at the tower would this be enough to discourage a dec?
Fitting information for Tower 5 (Amarr Control Tower) at a location not specified.
Structure (Status) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Look at the info on POS missile batteries, specifically rate of fire and damage multiplier, then you will understand why they are a complete joke when compared to turrets. Never use missiles on a POS. If you can't fit turrets (lasers on Amarr towers and projectiles on all others), use more EWAR. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:13:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Jas Dor wrote:If I had assembly arrays at the tower would this be enough to discourage a dec?
Fitting information for Tower 5 (Amarr Control Tower) at a location not specified.
Structure (Status) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Look at the info on POS missile batteries, specifically rate of fire and damage multiplier, then you will understand why they are a complete joke when compared to turrets. Never use missiles on a POS. If you can't fit turrets (lasers on Amarr towers and projectiles on all others), use more EWAR.
Actually citadel torps do about 230dps at around 300km. Not great but better than arties and about half the PG of medium beams. Also allows you to change up damage types. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:43:00 -
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Quote:BTW I live in null. How did I end up knowing more about abusing Hisec wardec mechanics than so many Hiseccers?
Hmmmm............ most players live on earth. Those living in null / WH etc. are complete wako. It's a game! You cannot live in a game!
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1212
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:08:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Jas Dor wrote:If I had assembly arrays at the tower would this be enough to discourage a dec?
Fitting information for Tower 5 (Amarr Control Tower) at a location not specified.
Structure (Status) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Look at the info on POS missile batteries, specifically rate of fire and damage multiplier, then you will understand why they are a complete joke when compared to turrets. Never use missiles on a POS. If you can't fit turrets (lasers on Amarr towers and projectiles on all others), use more EWAR. Actually citadel torps do about 230dps at around 300km. Not great but better than arties and about half the PG of medium beams. Also allows you to change up damage types.
230dps against a Dread in Siege or other capital who's sitting still.
Big missiles don't do damage against small targets.
If you're going to go on the offensive method of keeping your POS alive, just go 100% EWAR. Unless you have POS gunners, guns are fairly useless, and even then, without a defensive fleet, eh.
People in Nullsec don't use 100% EWAR setups because Supers and Sieged Dreads are immune to EWAR. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1212
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:08:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Quote:BTW I live in null. How did I end up knowing more about abusing Hisec wardec mechanics than so many Hiseccers? Hmmmm............ most players live on earth. Those living in null / WH etc. are complete wako. It's a game! You cannot live in a game!
Cool story bro. |
Lady Bloodsucker
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.01.15 07:47:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Quote:BTW I live in null. How did I end up knowing more about abusing Hisec wardec mechanics than so many Hiseccers? Hmmmm............ most players live on earth. Those living in null / WH etc. are complete wako. It's a game! You cannot live in a game!
REALLY LOL The Hunger |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.01.15 22:06:00 -
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A small tower in the back end of no-where owned by a one-man corp is about as safe as can be. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.01.15 22:17:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Jas Dor wrote:If I had assembly arrays at the tower would this be enough to discourage a dec?
Fitting information for Tower 5 (Amarr Control Tower) at a location not specified.
Structure (Status) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Look at the info on POS missile batteries, specifically rate of fire and damage multiplier, then you will understand why they are a complete joke when compared to turrets. Never use missiles on a POS. If you can't fit turrets (lasers on Amarr towers and projectiles on all others), use more EWAR. Actually citadel torps do about 230dps at around 300km. Not great but better than arties and about half the PG of medium beams. Also allows you to change up damage types. 230dps against a Dread in Siege or other capital who's sitting still. Big missiles don't do damage against small targets. If you're going to go on the offensive method of keeping your POS alive, just go 100% EWAR. Unless you have POS gunners, guns are fairly useless, and even then, without a defensive fleet, eh. People in Nullsec don't use 100% EWAR setups because Supers and Sieged Dreads are immune to EWAR.
Is battleclinics math wrong? http://eve.battleclinic.com/calculators.php?calculator=missile&explosionRadius=2000&mTargetSigRadius=400&targetVelocity=175&explosionVelocity=30&missileDamage=6000&mTargetResistance=0
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1216
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Posted - 2012.01.15 23:17:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Jas Dor wrote:If I had assembly arrays at the tower would this be enough to discourage a dec?
Fitting information for Tower 5 (Amarr Control Tower) at a location not specified.
Structure (Status) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Ballistic Deflection Array (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Citadel Torpedo Battery (Online) Look at the info on POS missile batteries, specifically rate of fire and damage multiplier, then you will understand why they are a complete joke when compared to turrets. Never use missiles on a POS. If you can't fit turrets (lasers on Amarr towers and projectiles on all others), use more EWAR. Actually citadel torps do about 230dps at around 300km. Not great but better than arties and about half the PG of medium beams. Also allows you to change up damage types. 230dps against a Dread in Siege or other capital who's sitting still. Big missiles don't do damage against small targets. If you're going to go on the offensive method of keeping your POS alive, just go 100% EWAR. Unless you have POS gunners, guns are fairly useless, and even then, without a defensive fleet, eh. People in Nullsec don't use 100% EWAR setups because Supers and Sieged Dreads are immune to EWAR. Is battleclinics math wrong? http://eve.battleclinic.com/calculators.php?calculator=missile&explosionRadius=2000&mTargetSigRadius=400&targetVelocity=175&explosionVelocity=30&missileDamage=6000&mTargetResistance=0
Dunno, but a Leviathon (which gets some nice DPS bonuses) applies 158 of its 8234 dps (5 BC2, 6 Citadel Torp launchers) to a target moving 180m/s(~Drake) with a sig of 230 (~Drake). Against a Stealth Bomber, it applies 30 DPS. And this is before resistances. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:43:00 -
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Quote:
Dunno, but a Leviathon (which gets some nice DPS bonuses) applies 158 of its 8234 dps (5 BC2, 6 Citadel Torp launchers) to a target moving 180m/s(~Drake) with a sig of 230 (~Drake). Against a Stealth Bomber, it applies 30 DPS. And this is before resistances.
You sound like you have experience with what you're talking about. Maybe the battleclinic calculator is bugged? Can somebody who understands the math run the numbers? |
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1216
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:59:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Quote:
Dunno, but a Leviathon (which gets some nice DPS bonuses) applies 158 of its 8234 dps (5 BC2, 6 Citadel Torp launchers) to a target moving 180m/s(~Drake) with a sig of 230 (~Drake). Against a Stealth Bomber, it applies 30 DPS. And this is before resistances.
You sound like you have experience with what you're talking about. Maybe the battleclinic calculator is bugged? Can somebody who understands the math run the numbers?
I just used Pyfa's numbers.
Besides. Missile batteries use CPU and thus go offline when your POS goes into RF. Others don't.
Lasers on Amarr towers, Projectiles on others. And go one size down. A Large turret won't hit BS well, but a Medium will, and Smalls + Webs are good against small stuff. But you need POS gunners. If you're not going to have POS gunners, a couple of Logi will keep everyone happy and firing. So just fill it with ECM and hardeners.
Or better yet, put nothing outside, use all your fittings for useful stuff and decshield. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.01.16 02:49:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Quote:
Dunno, but a Leviathon (which gets some nice DPS bonuses) applies 158 of its 8234 dps (5 BC2, 6 Citadel Torp launchers) to a target moving 180m/s(~Drake) with a sig of 230 (~Drake). Against a Stealth Bomber, it applies 30 DPS. And this is before resistances.
You sound like you have experience with what you're talking about. Maybe the battleclinic calculator is bugged? Can somebody who understands the math run the numbers? I just used Pyfa's numbers. Besides. Missile batteries use CPU and thus go offline when your POS goes into RF. Others don't. Lasers on Amarr towers, Projectiles on others. And go one size down. A Large turret won't hit BS well, but a Medium will, and Smalls + Webs are good against small stuff. But you need POS gunners. If you're not going to have POS gunners, a couple of Logi will keep everyone happy and firing. So just fill it with ECM and hardeners. Or better yet, put nothing outside, use all your fittings for useful stuff and decshield.
My worry is that my little one man corp will get decced and I'll be so busy with grad school I won't check in until three days after the war goes active. I am aware that, in everything but missiles, oversizing is a bad idea. I'm trying to figure out if CCP did something with the citadel torp launchers to compensate for the generally suckyness of missile sentries (by giving us something that would be descent one size category down). I have to say the more I look at it the more I think battleclinic is bugged.
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Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.01.16 03:40:00 -
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I would honestly be very surprised if anyone bothered your one man corp or its tower, unless the tower is in a particularly nice spot. Just find some quiet system somewhere. I've had a tower up for almost three years (though mostly offline), and no one has ever sent a war dec my way.
Most high-sec war-dec corps are in it for the lulz. A one man corp won't offer enough in the way of targets to make it worth their while. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1216
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:35:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Jas Dor wrote:Quote:
Dunno, but a Leviathon (which gets some nice DPS bonuses) applies 158 of its 8234 dps (5 BC2, 6 Citadel Torp launchers) to a target moving 180m/s(~Drake) with a sig of 230 (~Drake). Against a Stealth Bomber, it applies 30 DPS. And this is before resistances.
You sound like you have experience with what you're talking about. Maybe the battleclinic calculator is bugged? Can somebody who understands the math run the numbers? I just used Pyfa's numbers. Besides. Missile batteries use CPU and thus go offline when your POS goes into RF. Others don't. Lasers on Amarr towers, Projectiles on others. And go one size down. A Large turret won't hit BS well, but a Medium will, and Smalls + Webs are good against small stuff. But you need POS gunners. If you're not going to have POS gunners, a couple of Logi will keep everyone happy and firing. So just fill it with ECM and hardeners. Or better yet, put nothing outside, use all your fittings for useful stuff and decshield. My worry is that my little one man corp will get decced and I'll be so busy with grad school I won't check in until three days after the war goes active. I am aware that, in everything but missiles, oversizing is a bad idea. I'm trying to figure out if CCP did something with the citadel torp launchers to compensate for the generally suckyness of missile sentries (by giving us something that would be descent one size category down). I have to say the more I look at it the more I think battleclinic is bugged.
Just use Evemon to check for a wardec mail everyday (might even be able to set it to email you that notification).
Missiles oversize even worse then turrets do. If your small target sit still v huge turret = huge damage. Small target vs Huge missile = meh damage. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
609
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:49:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:
My worry is that my little one man corp will get decced and I'll be so busy with grad school I won't check in until three days after the war goes active. I am aware that, in everything but missiles, oversizing is a bad idea. I'm trying to figure out if CCP did something with the citadel torp launchers to compensate for the generally suckyness of missile sentries (by giving us something that would be descent one size category down). I have to say the more I look at it the more I think battleclinic is bugged.
As RubyPorto says - EVEMon is your answer. Wardec notifications do come through if you tell EVEMon to notify you of those. So do "low fuel" notifications, office rentals, and a bunch of other notification messages. Just have it send you an email on certain alerts, or make a habit to check EVEMon daily, or have it be "in your face" with its alerts down in the system tray.
Unless your tower is within 4 jumps of a trade-hub or in The Forge, it will probably never be attacked in hi-sec. As long as you don't make enemies in-game, don't step on someone's toes and don't occupy a moon that somebody wants, nobody is going to bother. A big old d-star setup on a large tower shows that you're at least semi-serious about making it a pain to dislodge (think 60-75 ECM, 20-40 small/medium guns, 13 hardeners, and a few webs / scrams / disrupts). A determined attacker will pull it off, but not before you can evac labs/arrays, leaving them with only about 600M ISK worth of stuff to shoot at.
Or go with the (1) small tower w/ (3) labs and just take it down if dec'd. Keep your BPOs safe in the station, don't put too much out in the labs. Worst case, you're out 250-300M if it gets blown up.
(My tower configs have spares that don't get put online until some get blown up. During peace time, you can leave 90% of it offline and just run the labs or anything that doesn't use CPU.) |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1219
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Posted - 2012.01.16 06:50:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Jas Dor wrote:
My worry is that my little one man corp will get decced and I'll be so busy with grad school I won't check in until three days after the war goes active. I am aware that, in everything but missiles, oversizing is a bad idea. I'm trying to figure out if CCP did something with the citadel torp launchers to compensate for the generally suckyness of missile sentries (by giving us something that would be descent one size category down). I have to say the more I look at it the more I think battleclinic is bugged.
As RubyPorto says - EVEMon is your answer. Wardec notifications do come through if you tell EVEMon to notify you of those. So do "low fuel" notifications, office rentals, and a bunch of other notification messages. Just have it send you an email on certain alerts, or make a habit to check EVEMon daily, or have it be "in your face" with its alerts down in the system tray. Unless your tower is within 4 jumps of a trade-hub or in The Forge, it will probably never be attacked in hi-sec. As long as you don't make enemies in-game, don't step on someone's toes and don't occupy a moon that somebody wants, nobody is going to bother. A big old d-star setup on a large tower shows that you're at least semi-serious about making it a pain to dislodge (think 60-75 ECM, 20-40 small/medium guns, 13 hardeners, and a few webs / scrams / disrupts). A determined attacker will pull it off, but not before you can evac labs/arrays, leaving them with only about 600M ISK worth of stuff to shoot at. Or go with the (1) small tower w/ (3) labs and just take it down if dec'd. Keep your BPOs safe in the station, don't put too much out in the labs. Worst case, you're out 250-300M if it gets blown up. (My tower configs have spares that don't get put online until some get blown up. During peace time, you can leave 90% of it offline and just run the labs or anything that doesn't use CPU.)
I really don't see the use of PoS dps guns without gunners. They just don't do anything. Now on a nullsec POS, a bunch of small batterys and webs can be fun. Grab controls and *Pop* *Pop* *Pop* go the expensive fighter bombers.
Bob does make an important point. You're only down what you anchor if you're wardecced and don't pull it down/decshield. BoB and I draw very different conclusions.If there's nothing to keep the enemy fleet anchored, nothing will happen while you tear down or decshield. Bob's suggestion might let you avoid decs, but you're giving up the total immunity to losing your tower. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
358
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Posted - 2012.01.16 09:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:I really don't see the use of PoS dps guns without gunners. They just don't do anything. Now on a nullsec POS, a bunch of small batterys and webs can be fun. Grab controls and *Pop* *Pop* *Pop* go the expensive fighter bombers It's more about denying them options. A bit of tackle and dps forces any attacker to fit some degree of tank. And it means disengaging is a pain. If you have neither tackle nor dps, they will try to shoot the tower without any risk. If you fit both, the last guy off the field is going to get pointed and lose his ship unless they start jettisoning shuttles and the like. What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644 |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1219
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:04:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:RubyPorto wrote:I really don't see the use of PoS dps guns without gunners. They just don't do anything. Now on a nullsec POS, a bunch of small batterys and webs can be fun. Grab controls and *Pop* *Pop* *Pop* go the expensive fighter bombers It's more about denying them options. A bit of tackle and dps forces any attacker to fit some degree of tank. And it means disengaging is a pain. If you have neither tackle nor dps, they will try to shoot the tower without any risk. If you fit both, the last guy off the field is going to get pointed and lose his ship unless they start jettisoning shuttles and the like.
I'd have to be pretty motivated to bother with a 50+ EWAR tower in hisec (I'd have to be pretty motivated to bother with any online tower in hisec for that matter).
Lock Tower > Shoot Once > Jammed > Unjammed > Lock Tow... > Jammed > Unj.... > Jammed.... dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:27:00 -
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just choose a moon in a system with low traffic, with about half moons vacant, 0.7 sec status, and don't use corp with too many members.
this way griefers won't even see your moon and no one will ever want it since there are many other moons in the same system, plus the amount of people who are interested is severely limited by 7 standing to a faction requirement.
oh and make that an underused faction like galllente, since everyone runs missions for caldari anyway.
a few other suggestions ..
1. don't keep it up all the time. use NPC facilities instead when possible. if that's not too profit limiting that is...
2. use corps made of research alts for hosting the POS. they only sit in a station setting up jobs occasionally so they are not griefer target material.
3. don't defend the POS, or don't put up defences visible. griefers will know you'll just remove POS when wardecced and they'll see they are not going to get any thrill from destroying that POS.
4. to be able to remove POS at any time, avoid setting up too long jobs, so you don't lose much if you have to remove POS with jobs active. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:33:00 -
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Nobody bothers with a tower that has a couple of tackle mods and some dps combined with bunch of ECM unless they actually really want to take it down, at which point it is irrelevant as to what you have there.
Some dps + tackle means that to take out the tower without losses you need logis and you need to shoot the tackle mods *and* RF the tower (or you lose ships). ECM also presents a bunch of mods you probably have to shoot first or you get very very annoyed with the constant loss of lock.
All this makes the process of taking out the tower as something not doable with a small 5-10 man gang.
If someone brings considerably more and really wants the tower gone, it is gone. Nothing you do short of bringing your own big fleet (hire mercs?) is going to prevent it. Protip: do not give a cause for anyone to really want it gone. Don't smacktalk people into getting pissed off at you etc.
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