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Tionscal Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:24:00 -
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Hello veteran PvPers of EVE,
I have a noob question for you. I enjoy exploration and being the person behind the scenes that scores that massive asteroid field, discovers that bountiful hacking node, scans down that large archaeological site, and sows millions only to reap billions later. I heard about tech 3 strategic cruisers and how they were different from any other ship in EVE, but I wanted to ask is what they are commonly used for.
Going to leave EVE for a bit and try another game, but when I come back I am going straight back to my passion of exploration.
1. How are they commonly used? What function do they serve in fleet warfare?
2. Do they provide any bonuses to exploration/covert ops?
3. How can a lone-wolf like me possibly find use out of them? |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:39:00 -
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90% of strategic cruisers are destined to be used by an alt at a safespot with ECCM modules and gang links activated.
ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:22:00 -
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Fidelium Mortis wrote:90% of strategic cruisers are destined to be used by an alt at a safespot with ECCM modules and gang links activated.
Horse$hit....
There are a ton of uses for Strategic cruisers....
Yes, they are used in Fleet PvP for boosting (they give amazing boosts).
They also have tons of additionally roles:
Lokis are used in many PvP fleets for their webs (especially AHAC type fleets).
Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off.
Proteus is a favored bait ship, and used in many fleets for their tackle range.
Legions are one of the favored Incursion ships, and also make appearences in AHAC fleets.
The Tengu has become a PvE favorite of mission runners and plexers, especially in lowsec.
Many of the strategic cruises make good exploration boats... as they can scan down a site, switch fits, and then competently run the sites.
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Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:30:00 -
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OP:
Not sure where you're doing your exploration, speaking from the use of my Tengu, it works I would say perfectly for highsec scanning. (I'm not sure about lowsec or nullsec). Reason I say it works great for highsec is you can pretty easily fit one as an excellent scanner and even with 4 highs for missiles easily take out any of the scanned sites. (I have yet to do any scanning since crucible so others may have some input since crucible changes).
If you get an escalation you simple dock and swap out your modules and fit it for pve and you can easily complete any L4 or equivalent difficulty escalation wise in your sleep. Otherwise other than mining sites, the Tengu can do any site you can fit it into without ever having to change ships or modules.
This has been my experience, and this has all been done in highsec with escalations of course sometimes leading to lowsec.
Though I agree, they are also commonly used on an alt as the other poster pointed out 
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Tionscal Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:39:00 -
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Outz Xacto wrote:OP: Not sure where you're doing your exploration, speaking from the use of my Tengu, it works I would say perfectly for highsec scanning. (I'm not sure about lowsec or nullsec). Reason I say it works great for highsec is you can pretty easily fit one as an excellent scanner and even with 4 highs for missiles easily take out any of the scanned sites. (I have yet to do any scanning since crucible so others may have some input since crucible changes). If you get an escalation you simple dock and swap out your modules and fit it for pve and you can easily complete any L4 or equivalent difficulty escalation wise in your sleep. Otherwise other than mining sites, the Tengu can do any site you can fit it into without ever having to change ships or modules. This has been my experience, and this has all been done in highsec with escalations of course sometimes leading to lowsec. Though I agree, they are also commonly used on an alt as the other poster pointed out
Can it fit a covops cloak and be viable in lowsec scanning? I plan on perhaps grouping with a corp and doing wormhole exploration.
Thank you all for your answers. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2012.01.13 20:11:00 -
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My buddy swears buy cloaky Proteus for low sec scanning. |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2012.01.13 21:18:00 -
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I've fit a cloak on it before for scanning when I was paranoid, or trying other sneaky things  but since I havn't done any lowsec scanning, I dont know the difficulty level and how you would subsequently need to fit the ship to make it viable.
My guess is in lowsec, you'll fit for scanning, find something, maybe poke ur nose in, and then refit accordingly. Unlike highsec where you can really do a one fit for everything and not have to refit except for an escalation. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:05:00 -
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if your going to do that you mise well have 2 ships one to scan and one to run, cloak really just for gate and not sitting in your site one you see combat probes. All ships for scanning/running site should cloak. Ever scanned a 7/10 get to the last room only to have a fleet come in and take it? I have only needs to happen once. Also speed, once you drop probes the clock is ticking, some one will take note and one you don't leave system for 10+ mins you better believe some ones looking to kill you or take your prize or both. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:34:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Fidelium Mortis wrote:90% of strategic cruisers are destined to be used by an alt at a safespot with ECCM modules and gang links activated. Horse$hit.... There are a ton of uses for Strategic cruisers.... Yes, they are used in Fleet PvP for boosting (they give amazing boosts). They also have tons of additionally roles: Lokis are used in many PvP fleets for their webs (especially AHAC type fleets). Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off. Proteus is a favored bait ship, and used in many fleets for their tackle range. Legions are one of the favored Incursion ships, and also make appearences in AHAC fleets. The Tengu has become a PvE favorite of mission runners and plexers, especially in lowsec. Many of the strategic cruises make good exploration boats... as they can scan down a site, switch fits, and then competently run the sites.
I love numbers. I'm 100% serious.
Be sure to fly some exploration T3s in essence and black rise low sec, with mods worth at least 2.5b. Thank you.
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Lili Lu
105
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:21:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Fidelium Mortis wrote:90% of strategic cruisers are destined to be used by an alt at a safespot with ECCM modules and gang links activated. Horse$hit.... There are a ton of uses for Strategic cruisers.... Yes, they are used in Fleet PvP for boosting (they give amazing boosts). They also have tons of additionally roles: Lokis are used in many PvP fleets for their webs (especially AHAC type fleets). Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off. Proteus is a favored bait ship, and used in many fleets for their tackle range. Legions are one of the favored Incursion ships, and also make appearences in AHAC fleets. The Tengu has become a PvE favorite of mission runners and plexers, especially in lowsec. Many of the strategic cruises make good exploration boats... as they can scan down a site, switch fits, and then competently run the sites.
"Tengu fleets are more rare"  Tengu fleets are the only tech III fleets ffs. And they are quite powerful. You don't see Loki fleets, etc. The other tech IIIs are all weaker in pve and pvp.
Lokis and Proteuseseses are sometimes flown as tackle support in other fleet configurations (but they compete on isk efficiency with throw away huggies and lachesisisisis). The only place where the Legion shiines is incursion vanguards, but an absolution is just as good maybe better in that role. Either Tengu should get nerfed (or heavy missiles) or the other tech III buffed.
And, most importantly, CCP should make warfare links only work on grid and end the ss'd unprobably tech III booster bullshit |
Tionscal Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:21:00 -
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You know what, to make life easier for everyone responding to this, I am just going to make a list of what I want out of a tech 3 ship.
Things that I need it to do;
-Scan down exploration sites as efficiently (or more so) than a covops frig.
-Can fit a covops cloak.
-Can clear said exploration sites and reap their benefits without trouble.
Things that I would like it to do;
-Have a reasonable chance of taking on baddies in a lowsec node/other players and survive.
-Be able to equip every single mod needed to harvest nodes in exploration sites and still have combat capability.
If I ever joined a large corp and wanted to help out in fleet warfare;
-Be able to fit a cyno (or even a covert cyno)
Please let me know if I deserve to be tossed into an asylum for expecting that much from a strat cruiser. |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2012.01.14 00:23:00 -
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Tionscal Gaterau wrote:
Things that I need it to do;
-Scan down exploration sites as efficiently (or more so) than a covops frig.
-Can fit a covops cloak.
-Can clear said exploration sites and reap their benefits without trouble.
Things that I would like it to do;
-Have a reasonable chance of taking on baddies in a lowsec node/other players and survive.
-Be able to equip every single mod needed to harvest nodes in exploration sites and still have combat capability.
You can do all of what you want above with them, based upon the difficulty of the site, it may require you to refit to maximize your combat abilities, but you will still only need the one ship.
What you'd like to do I think you'll run into issues of how efficiently you pve vs pvp you'll prbly be trading one for the other is my guess, but my experience is more limited with this.
Cyno ill let someone else chime in.
TL:DR
Yes, you can do all those with one ship, sometimes may need to change some fittings. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
266
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Posted - 2012.01.14 02:40:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:"Tengu fleets are more rare" Tengu fleets are the only tech III fleets ffs. And they are quite powerful. You don't see Loki fleets, etc. The other tech IIIs are all weaker in pve and pvp.
SoT/DarkSide runs an all-Loki fleet. Works pretty good for their purposes, near as I can tell. PL previously ran a Legion-heavy AHAC fleet. Obviously you are never going to see an all-Proteus fleet, but it's just not true that only it's only Tengus. |
Maeste Madeveda
The Spawning Pool
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.01.14 16:41:00 -
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If you want a lesson on Tengu uses, I recommend encountering the Hatchery. They seem pretty efficient, never flown with them ;) |
Thea Siirian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:31:00 -
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The Loki is a great 'patrol' ship if you will for 0.0. Webs, point, fair speed and enough tank to last while your buddies show up to get on the KM of whatever you managed to tackle. Really hacks off cyna and vaga pilots who (quite mistakenly) think they're immune to the game of eve because they can manage a fair turn of speed. Bubbles are your friend. I guess other T3s can probably be fit suitably but I've had some success in the Loki so there you have it.
Tengu fleets in 0.0 can be terrifying if you're on the other end. I've watched them take down supers like they weren't even there... The Tengu also manages PVE with little effort on the part of the pilot. Proper logi support and they're really horrific.
No Proteus experience here - though it's on the list if a bit far down.
Legion... I liked the HAM legion a bit tho see no advantage over the tengu.. not sure about much else. Fair add to an armor HAC gang I guess? Have to defer to other's knowledge here. |
Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:28:00 -
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T3 ships have a solid place among small to mid size gangs.
Generally speaking, everyone of them has a role in a fleet, just depending on the fleet composition and what your end goal is. Train for what you want to fly and enjoy the game.
Or train for all 4, Sandbox and what not :) |
Grayclay
The Arrow Project
CORE.
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:08:00 -
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I ran a double repped Tengu in Gurista space, it could scan down and solo 10/10 plexes. |
Tionscal Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.15 05:18:00 -
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From what everyone is saying, the Tengu appears to be the way to go. 
So how would I outfit said Tengu? What skills would I need and what mods would I use? (I am hoping I can fit a probe launcher and covops on there. Don't want anyone sneaking up on me in low/nullsec/Wspace.)
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firewalker220
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.01.15 05:41:00 -
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I love me a juicey T3 fleet :) But on a serious note, T3's are seen as the best ship to fly in wormholes due to getting the tank of a battleship, rep loving resists, usually some form of tackle bonus, and in some cases the dps of a battleship in a cruiser sized package to avoid mass issues.
As far as solo stuff the tengu is really quite amazing if fit up properly and assuming you're not going to have to deal with neuts |
Tionscal Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.15 05:53:00 -
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firewalker220 wrote:I love me a juicey T3 fleet :) But on a serious note, T3's are seen as the best ship to fly in wormholes due to getting the tank of a battleship, rep loving resists, usually some form of tackle bonus, and in some cases the dps of a battleship in a cruiser sized package to avoid mass issues.
As far as solo stuff the tengu is really quite amazing if fit up properly and assuming you're not going to have to deal with neuts
Thanks for the advice!
So I am thinking 5 launchers /w shield tank and webs/scramblers for any pvp action.
However my preferred setup would be a covops cloak, probe launcher, and 3 missile launcers.
As for the meds, should I fit a shield tank or could I squeeze in a couple of node harvesters?
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The MightySword
K.A.R.E.N
The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2012.01.15 19:19:00 -
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in response to the OP:
tengu is defo the way to go. Covert ops cloak in hihg then damage (just rememebr to have the right subsystem)
make sure if you can to fit faction repers, pithi althouhg expensive are the best x2.
Then low either dmg or whatever you want
i know when im null sec running i fit for covops so nullifier to stop being caught and covops. works a treat usually.
just my 2pennies worth |
Tionscal Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:24:00 -
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The MightySword wrote:in response to the OP:
tengu is defo the way to go. Covert ops cloak in hihg then damage (just rememebr to have the right subsystem)
make sure if you can to fit faction repers, pithi althouhg expensive are the best x2.
Then low either dmg or whatever you want
i know when im null sec running i fit for covops so nullifier to stop being caught and covops. works a treat usually.
just my 2pennies worth
I am looking at quite the price tag then lol.
I have a couple more questions for you. Might ask you in-game for simplicity.
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Firebolt145
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:01:00 -
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Maeste Madeveda wrote:If you want a lesson on Tengu uses, I recommend encountering the Hatchery. They seem pretty efficient, never flown with them ;)
You kidding? We've nicknamed our new home 'the Tengu toilet' for a reason..............................................
As for OP, I'm not much of an explorer etc but I do know for a fact that Tengu is the ship I see most doing that sort of stuff. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:01:00 -
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1. They are commonly used for providing fleet bonuses and ECCM. They also do well as front line ships. They are pretty much the "jack of all trades" ship. With good schools and some decent support you can be providing a support role for one battle and with a quick switch be attacking ships.
2. Do they provide any bonuses to exploration/covert ops?
Depending on how they are fitted you could do such a thing with them.
3. How can a lone-wolf like me possibly find use out of them?
Tengus are definitely the ship for a lone wolf. Just another day my corp was chasing around a pimped out Tengu. He almost destroyed several of our ships and managed to out-run us even with 3 points on him. We eventually got him because he got a little over confident but someone who knows what they are doing and flys smart will be able to avoid most gangs. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:05:00 -
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I use my Tengu for small gangs, roams, Cov Ops fleets, camps, blops.
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Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
285
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Posted - 2012.01.18 04:53:00 -
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Also... a gang of 100MN Tengus working together can ruin a lot of people's day.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
118
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:56:00 -
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Nerf the Tengu...o **** wait high sec alt can mission in one soon....
Ur Buff the Tengu
Have to say thou, the LOKI needs a buff when compained to the Tengu or Proteus its shockingly weaker. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:43:00 -
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T3's are made in wormhole space and are most at home there. They are fairly pricey, but the cruiser mass hull makes up for it. seeing killmails from wormhole consisting of barely anything but strategic cruisers, guardians and a bhaal or 2 are rather standard. Tengu's are widely used for PvE anywhere in the eve universe, for pvp they get used a lot less in wormhole space, where mainly proteus and loki are king for pvp.
as for all in one exploration ship, in wormhole space you can forget it. Fitting a probe and cloak is easily done, and you'll do some decent damage in a tengu fit like that, however to take down sleepers you need more damage, or itll take ages. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
103
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Posted - 2012.01.19 06:49:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off.
You obviously haven't been in null sec lately. All you see are Tengu fleets these days.
One word: Raiden.
As to the OP, a Proteus is very good for scanning and running plexes in hi sec. Can fit an excellent tank, all the necessary mods in the mid slots and doesn't need changing. Will run anything you are likely to encounter in hi sec. Have done this myself on many occasions.
Low/Null scanning, change to a Cov Ops fit and you can still run a lot of the plexes without changing. Will take longer to complete in a Proteus though, be warned. |
PlatinumMercSEAL
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:49:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Fidelium Mortis wrote:90% of strategic cruisers are destined to be used by an alt at a safespot with ECCM modules and gang links activated. Horse$hit.... There are a ton of uses for Strategic cruisers.... Yes, they are used in Fleet PvP for boosting (they give amazing boosts). They also have tons of additionally roles: Lokis are used in many PvP fleets for their webs (especially AHAC type fleets). Tengu fleets are more rare, but extremely powerful when pulled off. Proteus is a favored bait ship, and used in many fleets for their tackle range. Legions are one of the favored Incursion ships, and also make appearences in AHAC fleets. The Tengu has become a PvE favorite of mission runners and plexers, especially in lowsec. Many of the strategic cruises make good exploration boats... as they can scan down a site, switch fits, and then competently run the sites.
How would you fit this proteus? I am looking for a good fleet PVP fitting.
President of the Screaming War Eagle Association
Doing business is my game. |
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