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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 10/08/2007 13:47:03
 Originally by: illusha
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Algebra, geometry, trigonometry, and calculus are probably the most useful courses you will take other than those specifically relating to your future profession, and other than than courses with very specific real-life applications (computer use, etc).
Are you kidding me? Are you saying that most normal people use this in their daily lives which is why its so important? They don't, nobody makes a linear equation to see how far they will go from their home to their school. All they use is the 4 basic methods, adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing for doing. Don't you think that a useful secondary skill (besides their job skills) like cooking or sewing or some other skills would be more useful than learning those subjects?
Where have you ever used your world history class in everyday life? Where have you used your chemistry or biology classes? Perhaps you should look from a comparative perspective before you trash a subject as worthless.
I find myself using such fields of math basically every day of my life, even in completely ordinary circumstances.
Sure, if you are never curious about anything, and never do any calculations in your head to solve anything remotely interesting, you don't need to do math. But if that is your approach, life isn't even worth living; one might as well go jump off a bridge right here and now if one isn't willing to be curious about the universe!
A life in which nothing is important except which directly helps one's job is just a waste of time to be honest.
And nearly every time I find myself curious about something, I find that math becomes a direct prerequisite for learning and thinking more about it. And it isn't as if high school math is remotely difficult. This isn't rocket science folks, its step-by-step following directions in a textbook.
Originally by: illusha
I pose a question for you: After a class has ended for one month, most people forget 90% of what they learned. If thats true for most people then whats the point of learning math? Don't answer this with that "need to know how to problem solve" crap.
I think what's important is that once you've learned something, you can easily relearn it at any time. Your brain doesn't actually forget it if you learned it correctly; it just files it away. Even if I forget something, I can easily go look it up and do it without much of a second thought; far easier than when originally learning it.
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Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:12:00 -
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Quite clearly sir it helps you calculate a path of a grenade...no more bouncing off the top of windows for you.
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Gojyu
Gallente
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:52:00 -
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I blagged my way to a promotion at work and I am going to have to use statistics in it.
I haven't a ******* clue how to do it so i am going to rely on luck and minitab.
My course teaches me more statistics than any sane human being would need. There's a program out there called spss, get a copy and love it, it will do 90% of the work for you. Secondly, what area are you working in, and what area of statistics do you need to know? I'll probably be able to provide you some recommended reading if I know what type of statistics you'll be running
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Admus
Mobius Construct
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Rilder
Fortunatly I'm to stupid to ever get into college. 
It has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with effort. Stop making excuses and try.
C'est correct.
I agree, though, math can be dry. The main block people find for it is psychological, not intellectual. I think. I'm a mechanical engineering major, so I don't see any of the ridiculous theory that physicists and (of course) mathematicians get into, but I've got a decent smattering of calculus and such in the last three years.
Although, I just did a course on numerical analysis. The end result was more of a "learn theory and MatLab, then forget the theory," but I have to say it was the single driest, most tedious bore I've ever slept through on a regular basis. The arse-pain of it all is that it's used for pretty much everything, it seems. So I guess I should have tried harder.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Where have you ever used your world history class in everyday life? Where have you used your chemistry or biology classes? Perhaps you should look from a comparative perspective before you trash a subject as worthless.
I find myself using such fields of math basically every day of my life, even in completely ordinary circumstances.
Sure, if you are never curious about anything, and never do any calculations in your head to solve anything remotely interesting, you don't need to do math. But if that is your approach, life isn't even worth living; one might as well go jump off a bridge right here and now if one isn't willing to be curious about the universe!
A life in which nothing is important except which directly helps one's job is just a waste of time to be honest.
And nearly every time I find myself curious about something, I find that math becomes a direct prerequisite for learning and thinking more about it. And it isn't as if high school math is remotely difficult. This isn't rocket science folks, its step-by-step following directions in a textbook.
Quoted for massive amounts of truth and win. You expressed it much better than I would have. 
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:23:00 -
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math is the language of science. if you're not interested in science, perhaps you should try another language.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pakalolo
math is the language of science. if you're not interested in science, perhaps you should try another language.
Agreed on this. If you truly aren't interested in any of the sciences (either professionally or personally), math is not nearly as important.
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Sean Hernandez
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Posted - 2007.08.10 15:53:00 -
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Maths is there in everything and anything you use. The greater the level you investigate something the more complex the mathematics you use to understand it.
I "heard a story" where a student submitted work saying that every person in room gave off 100kW of heat.
Maybe if they were the human F'ing torch this would be the case! (it's actually about 100W sensible heat)
If you don't understand what the numbers mean you make a complete mess of anything you try to do computationally.
I've seen coursework where students think that a pipe 15mm across carries thousands of litres per second, simply because they cannot relate the number crunching they are being asked to do to the real world.
You can learn to use Autocad and SPSS all you want but if you can't spot it when the answer wrong (by knowing the methods and formula used)
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 17:32:00 -
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Dark Shikari, stop agreeing with me everywhere. :( People are going to start accusing me of being your alt.
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Belloc Slunv
Amarr
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.10 18:23:00 -
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I work with some crazy crap like computing duty cycles of high power tube amps with pulse widths and average power. I wish I paid attention when they added words into math, instead of paying attention to the chronicles of narnia book I had. Without the foundation, it's really tough...For me at least.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Algebra, geometry, trigonometry, and calculus are probably the most useful courses you will take other than those specifically relating to your future profession, and other than than courses with very specific real-life applications (computer use, etc).
It doesn't matter what you end up doing; they're useful in nearly every profession, and in everyday life, too.
Math beyond that is rarely even close to as applicable, and is much more profession-specific.
Discrete mathematics trumps most of those. The vast majority of problems that non-mathematicians encounter are discrete by nature 
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Algebra, geometry, trigonometry, and calculus are probably the most useful courses you will take other than those specifically relating to your future profession, and other than than courses with very specific real-life applications (computer use, etc).
It doesn't matter what you end up doing; they're useful in nearly every profession, and in everyday life, too.
Math beyond that is rarely even close to as applicable, and is much more profession-specific.
Discrete mathematics trumps most of those. The vast majority of problems that non-mathematicians encounter are discrete by nature
Quite to the contrary, most of the world is a continuous system; discrete systems are only theoretical in nature (most of the time).
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 10/08/2007 22:49:03
Remember "Red Planet?"
"This is it guys, the day your teacher said that Algebra would save your life." 
Also, math I was taught during my 3 years in STA (I think this formula only works for USMC mildots, but I could be wrong) Height of target (in inches) x 27.77 / # of mildots = Approx range to target.
I was taight that the average person is 17" between the shoulders and 9" from bottom of head to top :)
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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Arron S
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:19:00 -
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ITs more usefull then the arts. thats for sure.
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Mujihi
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Posted - 2007.08.12 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Quite to the contrary, most of the world is a continuous system; discrete systems are only theoretical in nature (most of the time).
continuous systems made up of discrete systems at a smaller level 
maths is hard, very dry to learn, but also very useful if you intend to go into science / engineering / all sorts.
high level theoretical maths and physics is also rather interesting, despite being nigh-on impossible to understand
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Trak Cranker
Serenity Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.13 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arron S
ITs more usefull then the arts. thats for sure.
I am as much a science freak as the next geek. But thats just wrong.
We must never sacrifice arts for the sake of science. Or vice versa. And there is no need to think we have to do either.
Eve is a shining example of something that would be less without either.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.08.13 02:56:00 -
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It pays to learn math, and take a path into higher education.
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illusha
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.08.13 03:26:00 -
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I hope you had a good weekend. This debate isn't going anywhere because some people in here refuse to compromise, refuse to admit their mistakes and while they do all that, they swim in their blood money earned from Math. Unless there is something new to present, this debate should end.
Si vis pacem, para bellum "If you seek peace, prepare for war".
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