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HAL0
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:47:00 -
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What is eve thinking of in nerfing NOS's? Why not make it that one player can simply not shoot another without simply exploding instantly! Soon they will make it that all you can do is industry. Slowly but surely they are removing everything that made Eve Eve. The ability to do anything not just to protect macro miners...
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Tao Han
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:59:00 -
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I know! LETS BLOW IT ALL OUT OF PROPORTION!!
That would be awesome. ------
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Arkios Odymei
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 10/08/2007 23:06:52
Originally by: HAL0 Why are ppl thinking of keeping NOS's as it is? Why is it that one player can simply not shoot another without simply turning off instantly! Soon they will make it that all you can do is industry. Slowly but surely they are removing everything that made Eve Eve. The ability to do anything not just to protect macro miners...
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:09:00 -
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The problem is this: Nos was overpowered to begin with, now they are setting it right, people want it left overpowered.
And somehow, people dont get that constant whining won't do anything to prevent the change. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Theo Samaritan The problem is this: Nos was overpowered to begin with, now they are setting it right, people want it left overpowered.
And somehow, people dont get that constant whining won't do anything to prevent the change.
Well the full story is that NOS was overpowered, people were saying that, and wanted a change. When the change arrived, people started to whine and say they don't want NOS changed.
------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Theo Samaritan
Gallente Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Theo Samaritan The problem is this: Nos was overpowered to begin with, now they are setting it right, people want it left overpowered.
And somehow, people dont get that constant whining won't do anything to prevent the change.
Well the full story is that NOS was overpowered, people were saying that, and wanted a change. When the change arrived, people started to whine and say they don't want NOS changed.
Its like asking for bacon then sending it back cus your vegatarian ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion |
Feng Schui
Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.11 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 11/08/2007 00:21:08
its not that we don't want it changed, it needed nerfed (i support a nos adjustment btw), however, they went extremely overboard with the nerf bat, making NOS, for the most part, useless, and then in turn, making some ships useless as well.
(its like using a chainsaw when all you need is a scapel)
The Beginning <-- crap quality, need to redo, sorry :( |
Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.08.11 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Theo Samaritan
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Theo Samaritan The problem is this: Nos was overpowered to begin with, now they are setting it right, people want it left overpowered.
And somehow, people dont get that constant whining won't do anything to prevent the change.
Well the full story is that NOS was overpowered, people were saying that, and wanted a change. When the change arrived, people started to whine and say they don't want NOS changed.
Its like asking for bacon then sending it back cus your vegatarian
That's EVE General Discussion for you!
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Mind's Desire
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Posted - 2007.08.11 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Theo Samaritan
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Theo Samaritan The problem is this: Nos was overpowered to begin with, now they are setting it right, people want it left overpowered.
And somehow, people dont get that constant whining won't do anything to prevent the change.
Well the full story is that NOS was overpowered, people were saying that, and wanted a change. When the change arrived, people started to whine and say they don't want NOS changed.
Its like asking for bacon then sending it back cus your vegatarian
It's like useless talking without thinking.
Let me fix it for you.
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Well the full story is that NOS was overpowered, many people were saying that, and some wanted a change. When the change arrived, some people started to whine and say they don't want NOS changed.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mind's Desire
Originally by: Theo Samaritan
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Theo Samaritan The problem is this: Nos was overpowered to begin with, now they are setting it right, people want it left overpowered.
And somehow, people dont get that constant whining won't do anything to prevent the change.
Well the full story is that NOS was overpowered, people were saying that, and wanted a change. When the change arrived, people started to whine and say they don't want NOS changed.
Its like asking for bacon then sending it back cus your vegatarian
It's like useless talking without thinking.
Let me fix it for you.
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Well the full story is that NOS was overpowered, many people were saying that, and some wanted a change. When the change arrived, some people started to whine and say they don't want NOS changed.
Did not ask to fix it and i haven't put the "many" and "some" nonsensical quantities, since the feelings were changing depending on which end of the stick one ended.
------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
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Horionte
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:06:00 -
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Setting aside all the arguments and the large quote pyramid:
Why not give Nos a penalty when more than 1 is installed, to avoid instant (or near-instant) drains by drone ships? -- The intelligence of the Earth is constant. Problem is, the population keeps rising. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:11:00 -
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Because the problem was not merely the drones+NOS combination, but also the way frigates were doing against BS that had at least one Large NOS on them.
------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |
Horionte
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Because the problem was not merely the drones+NOS combination, but also the way frigates were doing against BS that had at least one Large NOS on them.
So a frig with 500 cap was having trouble because a BS with God-knows-how-much cap (i'm still flying BC's) was sucking it dry in a couple of pulses? That sounds in order to me... -- The intelligence of the Earth is constant. Problem is, the population keeps rising. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Horionte
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Because the problem was not merely the drones+NOS combination, but also the way frigates were doing against BS that had at least one Large NOS on them.
So a frig with 500 cap was having trouble because a BS with God-knows-how-much cap (i'm still flying BC's) was sucking it dry in a couple of pulses? That sounds in order to me...
The entire point is that BSes shouldn't be able to WTFPWN frigates with a weapon that doesn't suffer from tracking, signature resolution, or explosion radius that can be easily fitted on any battleship, I believe. There are ways to counter being engaged by much smaller ships, but CCP doesn't believe it should be as easy as just aiming a heavy NOS at them. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
William Hamilton
Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Horionte
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Because the problem was not merely the drones+NOS combination, but also the way frigates were doing against BS that had at least one Large NOS on them.
So a frig with 500 cap was having trouble because a BS with God-knows-how-much cap (i'm still flying BC's) was sucking it dry in a couple of pulses? That sounds in order to me...
No, frigs were haveing trouble with BSes becasue a large-nos would insta-drain them, and do so without using any of it's own cap, and regardless of how much the target was manouvering.
Ex, battleships got free kills on frigas that came close....
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William Hamilton
Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: William Hamilton on 11/08/2007 02:33:31 EDIT: uupsie, double posted
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maihem
TBC VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.11 02:37:00 -
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the nerf bat, sacred totem to all who fail to adapt.
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Horionte
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.08.11 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
The entire point is that BSes shouldn't be able to WTFPWN frigates with a weapon that doesn't suffer from tracking, signature resolution, or explosion radius that can be easily fitted on any battleship, I believe. There are ways to counter being engaged by much smaller ships, but CCP doesn't believe it should be as easy as just aiming a heavy NOS at them.
Where does the bit where frig-class pilots have to balance risk vs reward come in again? Just orbit the BS outside Nos range and suffer less transversal velocity vs going in close and risking getting nossed.
I don't see a problem with risk vs reward here -- The intelligence of the Earth is constant. Problem is, the population keeps rising. |
Vrizuh
Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.11 04:26:00 -
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As someone who has never used energy neuts, I'm not too bothered. I mean, its pretty far out and I think they may have found a better solution, but I also understand it had to be done. I have almost no weapons skills, so whenever I took a domi out my hi slots were all NOS. That's kinda lame. I mean, I was grateful cos it meant I could kinda help, but its a lazy/sloppy setup which should not be so effective in pvp.
I will probably still do it, for the simple reason that my cap is usually down low anyway.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.11 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Horionte
Originally by: Tarminic
The entire point is that BSes shouldn't be able to WTFPWN frigates with a weapon that doesn't suffer from tracking, signature resolution, or explosion radius that can be easily fitted on any battleship, I believe. There are ways to counter being engaged by much smaller ships, but CCP doesn't believe it should be as easy as just aiming a heavy NOS at them.
Where does the bit where frig-class pilots have to balance risk vs reward come in again? Just orbit the BS outside Nos range and suffer less transversal velocity vs going in close and risking getting nossed.
I don't see a problem with risk vs reward here
Because this has nothing to do with risk vs reward? It has to do with game mechanics on a different level from making money. NOS worked 100% of the time with no drawbacks and huge benefits.
All I can say is that the benefits of the NOS have been....nerfed......big time. Now it stops leeching cap as soon as they are below or at your cap %. So it seems like NOS are only useful against ships that will use less cap than you, right?
I was more in favor of a fixed % that was leeched rather than something like this but we'll see what happens and how popular NOS is after this patch. ---
Put in space whales!
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.11 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tao Han I know! LETS BLOW IT ALL OUT OF PROPORTION!!
That would be awesome.
Only post in this thread worth reading..
Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Oedus Caro
Caldari Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.08.11 05:54:00 -
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I can't help but laugh at the people who say they went overboard with the nerf, or that they've made the modules completely useless, etc.
Previously, the Nosferatu was so overpowered that people almost never bothered with Energy Neutralizers. The selected alterations are neither more nor less than what are required to give both module classes a very clearly defined role: Nosferati are meant to keep your cap going when it otherwise would not, and Neutralizers are meant to destroy your enemy's cap. That someone could think the former to be less useful than the latter is really beyond stupid.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.08.11 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Horionte Where does the bit where frig-class pilots have to balance risk vs reward come in again? Just orbit the BS outside Nos range and suffer less transversal velocity vs going in close and risking getting nossed.
I don't see a problem with risk vs reward here
Heavy Nosferatu II range is 25km.
Punisher (for example) targetting range is 25km.
Exactly what can a frig do outside of 25km range to any ship much less a battleship?
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.08.11 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Heavy Nosferatu II range is 25km.
Punisher (for example) targetting range is 25km.
Exactly what can a frig do outside of 25km range to any ship much less a battleship?
You could fit a disruptor whose range goes above 25 Km for example, you could use a remote damp to increase the locking time of the BS, you could use a frigate whose targeting range goes beyond 25, you could use variable orbit to break the BS lock, etc... I use a Crow and NEVER EVER allowed a BS to NOS me.
Anyhow, why the hell must people always base their assumptions on crap ships ? Go out in RL and check if your Fiat can compete with a BMW X5...
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.08.11 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 11/08/2007 07:29:34
Originally by: Semkhet Anyhow, why the hell must people always base their assumptions on crap ships ? Go out in RL and check if your Fiat can compete with a BMW X5...
Punisher is one of the better T1 frigates out there. I'd argue it is among the best of T1 frigates. Hardly a crap ship unless you want to say all T1 frigs are comparatively crap but then the point was about frigs vs. battleships.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2007.08.11 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mind's Desire It's like useless talking without thinking.
Well, it wouldn't be a GD thread without someone being flamed for no reason by an exclamation mark now would it.
/shoos trolls away
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Rasjied
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Posted - 2007.08.11 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Anyhow, why the hell must people always base their assumptions on crap ships ? Go out in RL and check if your Fiat can compete with a BMW X5...
YEAH nerf fuel in RL
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.08.11 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Punisher is one of the better T1 frigates out there. I'd argue it is among the best of T1 frigates. Hardly a crap ship unless you want to say all T1 frigs are comparatively crap but then the point was about frigs vs. battleships.
Well, I don't remember the last time I put my ass on a T1 ship which wasn't a BS. Besides, are you arguing that T2 frigs aren't frigs ? As soon you can use T2, flying T1 is a moot point unless
a) You are broke (what speak volumes about how good a poor sod plays) b) You go on a suicide mission c) The T1 ship has no T2 counterpart d) The T1 ship's capabilities are close to its T2 counterpart
But anyhow, a TS, DB or Domination disruptor put your frig out of hvy NOS range, and that's what I do. I don't care a millisecond if my ceptor ends costing the double of a fully T2 kitted BS, and that I risk a pod costing over 1 bil each time I fly alone in 0.0
It's a game, and as such what counts is risk & adrenaline, not a mediocre accountant mentality. Never complained about NOS, and never will.
Everything has a counter, that some are not willing to spend the money and get the skills allowing to counter a given module/setup is another matter completely, but IMHO is at the core of the endemic nerf whining on these forums.
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.11 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Punisher is one of the better T1 frigates out there. I'd argue it is among the best of T1 frigates. Hardly a crap ship unless you want to say all T1 frigs are comparatively crap but then the point was about frigs vs. battleships.
Well, I don't remember the last time I put my ass on a T1 ship which wasn't a BS. Besides, are you arguing that T2 frigs aren't frigs ? As soon you can use T2, flying T1 is a moot point unless
a) You are broke (what speak volumes about how good a poor sod plays) b) You go on a suicide mission c) The T1 ship has no T2 counterpart d) The T1 ship's capabilities are close to its T2 counterpart
But anyhow, a TS, DB or Domination disruptor put your frig out of hvy NOS range, and that's what I do. I don't care a millisecond if my ceptor ends costing the double of a fully T2 kitted BS, and that I risk a pod costing over 1 bil each time I fly alone in 0.0
It's a game, and as such what counts is risk & adrenaline, not a mediocre accountant mentality. Never complained about NOS, and never will.
Everything has a counter, that some are not willing to spend the money and get the skills allowing to counter a given module/setup is another matter completely, but IMHO is at the core of the endemic nerf whining on these forums.
Where does the logic bus stop with you? Or does it just go around town all day and night?
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.08.11 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jaikar Isillia
Where does the logic bus stop with you? Or does it just go around town all day and night?
Irrelevant since you are unable to address with pertinence even a single point of the statements you quoted. Next.
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