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Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.11 10:47:00 - [1] New Eden Technical Institutes CEO/Directors: Amber Leonne, Raven Marek, Kainen Marek, Klakaitoa Members: 61 (Pretty much all me, obviously) Invested Asset's Worth: 54,158,615,066 Total Shares: 10,000 Share Price: 5.4 Million Isk per unit (Will change as Invested Assets Worth changes) *Projected Returns: 200%+ Minimum (25-50% of 200-300'ish+ billion Isk total to split amongst shareholders) Payment Instructions: Payable to New Eden Technical Institute corporation, description "#xU Capital Investment". #='s the number of stocks purchased with your payment. Also include any ##/##/## dates if you have a maximum deadline for repayment. Status Update:** Many of you are aware of the fleet of 50 Exhumer pilots I've been maturing over the past several months & their training cycles are coming to a segment where they can finish up and be put up for sale. Or... Another 3 months worth of training could be perofrmed to further sweeten their taste on the market's tongue by appending their selling points with the caption of "Can Harvest & Refine Anything!" by finishing up all of those refining skills which I already have the skillbooks lined up for. Currently the 50 accounts training pilots are finishing up the Mining Barge & Exhumer skills quite speditiously and within the timeframes of the currently existing length of subscription time remaining. Now comes the kicker after some reevaluation. Future Plans: Advanced Spaceship Command & Capital Ships Skillbooks will be required (x50) to provide the future backbone structure of leading these nifty Exhumer pilots into the realm of Capital Industrial Ship READY pilots of hella uber proportions. That's 45M + 400M x 50 for those skillbooks. 22,500,000,000 Isk, otherwise. I can personally fund a third of this with what I currently have hanging around after suffering much personal loss from various sources. With these skills in place and training, the first dividends payouts on characters sales in about 2 months from now will yield vastly higher profits then selling a mere well rounded Exhumer pilot with assets included. Ontop of this, as originally mentioned, there's potential room for serious growth and refinement of these 50 expert pilots in the field of mainly Refining and Harvesting skills. To do these though will require an additional set of 90 day GTCs throughout the fleet which will cost an estimated 17,500,000,000 to 20,000,000,000 Isk. Obviously though this is offset by the fact that the spending of 350-400M per character increases the worth of each character by at least 1.5-3 billion Isk at time of sale. So what we have here overall is about 40 billion Isk worth of possible investment room for NETI to expand it's operation into training for the upcoming Capital Industrial Ships & rounding out all of the other skills to make them a spectacular find on teh interwebz. Overall, every 1 Billion isk we can get invested, in these two large opportunity segments, will allot us all about 2-5 Billion isk more profit (times 50) in the long haul of a maximum of 5-6 months. * *Projected Returns: No matter what the sell price of the characters ends up being, it will more than alot for the potential of a few hundred percent returns on the total invested assets involved in their development. The fraction of the incoming client purchases will go directly to the corp for future investments and of course because of the labor fees involved etc. The remaining mass of 25-50% (estimated), of the potential Quarter TRILLION Isk worth of the fleet, will be split 100% between all shareholders via a dividend payment that occurs each time a character is sold. I will alter the fraction the corporation receives, as need be, to always ensure that shareholders are !at least!** doubling their investments.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.11 10:49:00 - [2] New Eden Technical Institute's Total Assets: 54,158,615,066 Stock Price: 5,415,873.0666 Rounded down to 5.4M Amber Leonne's Investment & Shares: 9900 Shares (99%) Total Combined Assets Investment: 4,674,484,400 Isk 1) GTCs - 87x 90 day GTCs valued @34,800,000,000 Isk Total 2) Implants - 50x +3 "Basic" Implant Sets, valued @5,000,000,000 Isk Total 3) Equiptment - 5,000,000,000 Isk Total - 50x Mining Upgrades I - 50x Ice Harvestor Upgrade I 4) Skillbooks - 50x Sets, valued @4,674,600,000 Isk Total - 50x Advanced Spaceship Command (2,250,000,000) - 50x Exhumers (1,260,000,000) - 50x Eidetic Memory (225,000,000) - 50x Logic (225,000,000) - 50x Clarity (225,000,000) - 50x Focus (225,000,000) - 50x Drone Interfacing (22,500,000) - 50x Mining Barges (22,500,000) - 50x Astrogeology (20,250,000) - 50x Ice Harvesting (16,875,000) - 50x Metallurgy (15,750,000) - 50x Refinery Efficiency (12,600,000) - 50x Ice Processing (18,000,000) - 50x Mercoxit Processing (18,000,000) - 50x Arkonor Processing (16,875,000) - 50x Bistot Processing (15,750,000) - 50x Crokite Processing (14,625,000) - 50x Spodumain Processing (13,500,000) - 50x Dark Ochre Processing (12,375,000) - 50x Gneiss Processing (11,250,000) - 50x Hedbergite Processing (10,125,000) - 50x Hermophite Processing (9,000,000) - 50x Jaspet Processing (7,875,000) - 50x Kernite Processing (6,750,000) - 50x Omber Processing (5,625,000) - 50x Mining Upgrades (3,600,000) - 50x Plagioclase Processing (3,375,000) - 50x Iron Will (2,250,000) - 50x Spatial Awareness (2,250,000) - 50x Cybernetics (1,800,000) - 50x Mining Drone operation (1,800,000) - 50x Drones (900,000) - 50x Navigation (900,000) 5) Corporation Fees - 26,630,666 Isk Total - Corporation Registration Fee - 1,599,000 Isk - Office Rental Fee - 25,031,666 Isk 6) Clones - 12,134,400 Isk - 50x Eta Clones (12,134,400) - 50x ? Clones (?) Argentail's Investment & Shares: 700 Shares (7%) 1) GTCs - 10x 90 day GTCs valued @3,500,000,000 Isk Last Wolf's Investment & Shares: 195 Shares (1.95%) 1) GTCs - 3x 90 day GTCs valued @975,000,000 Timur AltairInvestment & Shares: 20 Shares (.2%) 1) 100,000,000 Isk karnor hulltanker Investment & Shares: 14 Shares (.14%) 1) 70,000,000 Isk Obsidian Hawk Investment & Shares: 1 Shares (.01%) 1) 5,000,000 Isk Enjia Bloodmoon Investment & Shares: 1 Shares (.01%) 1) 5,000,000 Isk Soylent Pete Investment & Shares: 1 Shares (.01%) 1) 5,000,000 Isk
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.11 11:00:00 - [3] Assets Still Required: 1) 50x Capital Ship Skillbooks - 20,000,000,000 Isk 2) 50x 90 day GTCs - 17,500,000,000 to 20,000,000,000 Isk 3) 50x Hulks & various fittings - 5,000,000,000 Isk estimated at cost. 4) 20-48.5 Billion Isk to facilitate the acquisition of the above listed items. Please remember that I'm Amber Leonne, & very flexible with investments. I can, will, and have accepted the items required as investments worth stock. You need not in fact buy your shares with Isk. In fact, you needn't be wealthy in game at all. You could step up to the plate with your wallet, buy GTCs, and invest them in NETI's long term future and you would get more Isk back than you could EVER hope to receive for selling those GTCs yourself on the open market because NETI is yielding a bar eminimum of 200% returns for all investors.
Kenneth Brackhaven Gallente Brackhaven Investments	Posted - 2007.08.16 22:14:00 - [4] Sent funds for the purchase of 100 shares to New Eden Technical Institute. Total isk sent 540m. Shares received within minutes.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.16 22:40:00 - [5] Information has been updated thoroughly in all posts and notes. Thank you for your investment and I greatly look forward to the day I'm staring at the Dividends payout screen clicking pay 100% 50 times as the characters are sold
Evo Lution	Posted - 2007.08.17 01:06:00 - [6] So you, as owner of the accounts, will be paying $20 x 50 to cover the transfer fee for all the characters? That's $1,000. How is that factored into your plan?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.17 01:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Evo Lution So you, as owner of the accounts, will be paying $20 x 50 to cover the transfer fee for all the characters? That's $1,000. How is that factored into your plan? Were you getting to a point? My RL costs have nothing to do with this side of EVE.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.17 23:32:00 - [8] Reminder that offtopic posts will be removed according by moderators. Keep your inquiries on topic and within the restraints of the existing parameters. IE, you have no right to ask me "how" I'm paying for the transfer fees, obviously. Rest assured, they will all be paid in full, even if I have to sell my stock in CTRP (A real stock, not playtoy shares in EVE lol).
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.18 00:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Amber Leonne IE, you have no right to ask me "how" I'm paying for the transfer fees, obviously. I disagree. If there's reason to question whether a share issuer is going to do something that might see them incapable of repaying investors, it's very much a question anyone investing should insist on being answered. I have no intention of investing with the likes of you, so I'm not asking that question. Just discussing the point that anyone thinking about investing should know EXACTLY who and what they're investing in. Lag? GTFOOJ!
Kenneth Brackhaven Gallente Brackhaven Investments	Posted - 2007.08.18 02:21:00 - [10] Those of us that know Amber well enough to know what she does and how she does it have made a reasonable assumption that the "how" of unloading 50 characters is of no concern. I can make an educated guess as to how she'll manage it, but at the end of the day it isn't something I'm concerned with. More importantly, it's none of my business.

Arithron	Posted - 2007.08.18 08:31:00 - [11] I would want some reassurance that 50 characters exist before I will invest. Could you list the 50 characters names and provide a link to some unedited screenshots proving the skillsheets? Also, what assumptions are you making for value of the trained characters when you sell them? Can you give an estimated MINIMUM value you exect to see per character, for instance?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.18 08:50:00 - [12] YOU were given every piece of information nessecary and told exactly how to acquire the answers to your supposed question for over an hour in Trade Other today. YOU persisted in being ignorant and lazy and not following through on acquiring those answers and instead opted to continually repeat yourself like a troll and got no where, wasting two hundred people's time in that channel this evening. For example, my famous WTB GTC thread containing a glimpse at pilots #40-#50 named for the purpose of requesting GTC transfers. Look around the middle of the page. Additionally, there's no purpose to naming the full 50 characters here, this isn't the thread for selling them after all, this is the thread for developing assets in an investment corporation which matures those 50 accounts to fruition to be sold. Take note that New Eden Technical Institute has 60+ members, they're all me, disbelief? Get a clue then, who else would stick around in a corp with 100% tax? Hint hint Whomps with a clue-by-four Get it yet? The status list of my EVE Mon yields 9-10 vertical inches worth of names on a high resolution monitor. Live with it, they exist, and everyone but you seems to be aware of that. I'm sorry you can't stomach it, but you've been offbase and blatantly wrong since the moment you opened your mouth today Arithron, just like an entire channel tried to tell you, and your minion. Anymore questions?
Arithron	Posted - 2007.08.18 08:59:00 - [13] If I have caused offence by asking for some proof before investing, I apologise. I have never trolled you, nor wasted peoples time. I ask simple questions that any smart investor should, and await answers... 55 billion (which you hope to raise) is a fair chunk of ISK and you must expect to provide some proof. Can you please address my other questions regarding expected return per character etc?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.18 09:00:00 - [14] Now back on topic, I've been mulling over an idea to simplify stock price and also cap the amount of investment capital required/wanted. For obvious reasons, I don't want a single isk more than is nessecary to complete our venture. (For those whom it's not obvious to) Every Isk invested by shareholders, has to be paid back by me @200%+. Not exactly easy to do when you start "taking" more than you'd be putting out. Luckily though, as demonstrated initially, I already have more than 50% of the corp's total needs invested, and the profit margin will be in the several hundred percent range, so the 200% on 50% of the shares, that's doable, potentially about 100B of the pie if the mass total investments needed is acquired. Back to what I was saying. If we combine the maximum required assets with the current assets invested, we'd have the final maximum investment worth of the corporation and that could yield a set stock price which won't inflate or deflate based on sales of stock, like it currently does. The final stock price would be about just shy of 10M/unit, if stocks stayed @10,000 Units. If I double the stock quantities available, the price change will be negligable and stock quantity of shares amongst previous investors wouldn't have to be changed much either. Thoughts? Would be far easier to "devalue" the stock and refund the excess Isk, than to bolster the stock price up to it's final bidding and request compensation leveling from each shareholder.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.18 09:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Arithron If I have caused offence by asking for some proof before investing, I apologise. I have never trolled you, nor wasted peoples time. I ask simple questions that any smart investor should, and await answers... 55 billion (which you hope to raise) is a fair chunk of ISK and you must expect to provide some proof. Can you please address my other questions regarding expected return per character etc? You're not reading things correctly hun... 55 Billion is what is already invested. We only hope to raise a fraction of that to finalize the corp's operations with maximum maturing of assets. Once again, you want proof, take a look at the GTC thread, it's rather blatantly obvious where the majority of my money goes and comes from.
Kenneth Brackhaven Gallente Brackhaven Investments	Posted - 2007.08.19 07:45:00 - [16] /emote kicks the thread to the top.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.19 10:59:00 - [17] Thank ya hun, when I get a chance, I will be updating the lists with the new investors and possibly considering those stock price chanes I mentioned to stabilize their set rate.
Xavier Hayes	Posted - 2007.08.19 16:15:00 - [18] How about a character or two on ineve.net, to show skills of the trained 50? That should immediately take care of doubters! Nice idea, btw. I am a little confussed about your proposed changes to stock. I am thinking of investing, but would hate for you to double stock after I invest, effectively halving my stock value...could you be a little more clear (ie, some figures) Xav
Kenneth Brackhaven Gallente Brackhaven Investments	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:32:00 - [19] The post that went bump in the night.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.19 19:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Amber Leonne Reminder that offtopic posts will be removed according by moderators. If you're going to quote forum rules then learn to abide by them. Only the OP may bump the thread, and it may only be done once a day. \| Open Source Offline Wallet \| BMBE ISK Loans \|

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Xavier Hayes How about a character or two on ineve.net, to show skills of the trained 50? That should immediately take care of doubters! Nice idea, btw. I am a little confussed about your proposed changes to stock. I am thinking of investing, but would hate for you to double stock after I invest, effectively halving my stock value...could you be a little more clear (ie, some figures) Xav If I double the stock, change the price, etc, I'd reimburse either additional stocks or remainder of Isk etc until you still had the same value's worth invested.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 04:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Amber Leonne Reminder that offtopic posts will be removed according by moderators. If you're going to quote forum rules then learn to abide by them. Only the OP may bump the thread, and it may only be done once a day. I'm not bumping sweetcheeks, I'm posting within the required limitations of the forum and it's 4000 character length restriction which forces me to align multiple posts worth of extensive data in a row.
tartrus Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:03:00 - [23] dont wish to be a pain but r the shares 5 mill or 5.5 trying to work out how many i wanna buy. says 5.5 up top but 5 mill next to peeps name. "HEY! Lee were is that t2 duct tape mate my vaga's in hull"
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Amber Leonne I'm not bumping sweetcheeks I'm talking about Kenneth, uglybum. \| Open Source Offline Wallet \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Amber Leonne I'm not bumping sweetcheeks I'm talking about Kenneth, uglybum. Then why're you quoting me buttmonkey?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:25:00 - [26] Originally by: tartrus dont wish to be a pain but r the shares 5 mill or 5.5 trying to work out how many i wanna buy. says 5.5 up top but 5 mill next to peeps name. 5.5m right now, though I'm thinking about adding total current invested assets to the total needed and finalizing a stable price so things don't go wonky like with real stocks. I just don't have the tools available to baloon share worth like the real market does, obviously.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Amber Leonne Then why're you quoting me buttmonkey? Because you're clearly in cahoots, chickenlegs. \| Open Source Offline Wallet \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:47:00 - [28] Yeah, umm, I tend to work hand in hand with those who invest in my operations...?
Xavier Hayes	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:31:00 - [29] Hmm, ok. Seems to me as follows: Invested so far by you and your corp: 55 bil (give or take a few mil) Needed for further investment: 48 bil or so (from your figures above, either as isk or skillbooks etc) Total investment in 50 characters: 103 bil or so Total shares: 10,000 (from first post) Value of share for investment costs: 10.3 mil each This would them assume that you own, from investment so far, 5400 odd shares, so 4600 shares available for investment by others...or, if unsold, you take the unsold shares worth of profit also. Since you have sold shares at 5.5 mil only at moment, you'd need to halve share amount allocated to investors currently...or take the hit personally from your profits once sold. BTW, any chance of posting a character or two in INEVE.net?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:18:00 - [30] Edited by: Amber Leonne on 20/08/2007 14:19:00 The money's invested are via me & shareholders, not nessecarily the corp, as the corp is me technically. Yeppers, would have double up currently deployed shares if they were nearly halved by making the price steady and unfluctuatable, which I think I'll be doing today. INEVE.net will be dealt with when it's more prudent, such as when the characters are nearing sale. For now, I'll draw up a short list of key skills they've trained.

tartrus Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:23:00 - [31] Edited by: tartrus on 20/08/2007 14:33:15 Edited by: tartrus on 20/08/2007 14:26:56 ill grab 47 shares pls will log on now and send u the isk wish i had more money :( isk sent hehe that was fast shares received within 5 min :D "HEY! Lee were is that t2 duct tape mate my vaga's in hull"
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:44:00 - [32] Would've been faster but I'm doing hella multitasking and still ill
Xavier Hayes	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:20:00 - [33] It'd be mighty nice of you to double shares for current investors if you do double shares available (ie, from 10,000 shares to 20,000 shares) If I understand you correctly, you are going to double the current shares from 10000 to 20000? So, from my calcs last post, each share of the current 10k is worth 10.3 mil. So doubling shares means a share is worth 5.15 mil each....ie, about what players currently invested in the corp have paid per share!!! To you see my point? My query regarding the ineve.net posting for a character or two would be to give players some firm evidence of the characters, and thus attract more investors...it wouldn't matter that they were not yet fully skilled for sale, as from what I understand from your posts, they still have sometime to go...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:41:00 - [34] I've already said quite clearly, 2-3 times, I will be doubling investors shares if I go that route.
Reeze Calban	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:43:00 - [35] I send the ISK and got the shares requested, pleasure doing business, good luck and many profits. - Reeze Calban
Xavier Hayes	Posted - 2007.08.20 20:07:00 - [36] Actually, this is what you have really said so far.... 'If I double the stock quantities available, the price change will be negligable and stock quantity of shares amongst previous investors wouldn't have to be changed much either. Thoughts? Would be far easier to "devalue" the stock and refund the excess Isk, than to bolster the stock price up to it's final bidding and request compensation leveling from each shareholder.' 'If I double the stock, change the price, etc, I'd reimburse either additional stocks or remainder of Isk etc until you still had the same value's worth invested.' 'Yeppers, would have double up currently deployed shares if they were nearly halved by making the price steady and unfluctuatable, which I think I'll be doing today.' My point is that you wouldn't have to double the stocks, since the sum of the investment would remain the same given the higher 'real' price of the current 10k stocks (10.3 mil odd)...players have paid only 5 mil for these stocks (ie, the price you might sell a stock for when you double the amount of stocks available). Xav
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.20 22:06:00 - [37] I see what you're saying, we crossed wires because I wasn't sure if I was doubling stock or not yet and was considering which way the stokc price would go. I would like to keep it lower, so making more stocks would've been prudent, and previous shareholders would just receive more of the same equivilent to their investment and this would allow people with just a few million to put in, to be able to participate. Anyhow, movie time n' all that jazz. The main thing holding me back is confusion over what may possibly be a bug I've found in the corporate shares system. Corps start with 1K shares, I created 9K shares, now the corp's info says 9K shares, not 10K, and yet.. I'm pretty sure I've got 10K shares floating around. I'm not keen on what confusions this might create.
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.20 22:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Amber Leonne I see what you're saying, we crossed wires because I wasn't sure if I was doubling stock or not yet and was considering which way the stokc price would go. I would like to keep it lower, so making more stocks would've been prudent, and previous shareholders would just receive more of the same equivilent to their investment and this would allow people with just a few million to put in, to be able to participate. Anyhow, movie time n' all that jazz. The main thing holding me back is confusion over what may possibly be a bug I've found in the corporate shares system. Corps start with 1K shares, I created 9K shares, now the corp's info says 9K shares, not 10K, and yet.. I'm pretty sure I've got 10K shares floating around. I'm not keen on what confusions this might create. Known bug - wouldn't worry about it. Corp info only shows the last batch of shares you made, not the total. E.g. my corp info shows 1500 shares but there's actually 15000.
Xavier Hayes	Posted - 2007.08.20 23:35:00 - [39] Originally by: Amber Leonne so making more stocks would've been prudent, and previous shareholders would just receive more of the same equivilent to their investment and this would allow people with just a few million to put in, to be able to participate. Sorry if I was at all unclear! If you double stock, you wouldn't need to give existing investors any more stock (or very little), because you are also effectively doubling the liabilities of the stock (ie, from 54 bil to 103 bil odd) Take my example below (extreme I know, but highlights my point) Investor X: buys 5000 of your current stock at 5 mil each= 25 bil This means Investor X currently thinks he owns 50% of your stock in corp. However, because you really have total liabilities of 103 bil, his 25 bil should be 25% of stock. If you doubled his stock after making shares in company 20,000, he would have paid 25 bil for 50 bil (if you see what I mean!). Thus, he will be expecting 50% of profts, which means your promise of 200% return will wipe out most of your profit etc.... Effectively, YOU MUST DOUBLE STOCKS to 20,000 and those already invested get to keep their existing stocks (actually, they effectively save 0.15 mil per share), and their percentage of total stocks thus halves. Alternatively, keep shares at 10,000 but make them worth 10.3 to buy....current investors keep theirs at 5 mil each...you'd take the hit of the difference. Xav
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.22 21:58:00 - [40] Updating investor's shares..

Inevitability Caldari Magellan Exploration and Survey Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.23 00:16:00 - [41] Set back 100 shares for me please. I get off work at 11:30pm CST tonight and will send the money then. *Please Contact In-Game For Winning Bids* Now Taking Freighter Service Contracts
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.23 01:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Inevitability Set back 100 shares for me please. I get off work at 11:30pm CST tonight and will send the money then. Sure thing hun, glad to see you're still freightering, looks like I did well helpin' you into that career field
Hoodah Thunkitt	Posted - 2007.08.24 06:13:00 - [43] I'd be interested in investing if we had proof all these characters exist and are progressing as you say. Why can't you put them inEve.net? I'm sure you are using EveMon so its just a click or two that's needed. If you want people to trust you then be transparent. Why would anybody in their right mind spend ISK on character training that you could, but won't, validate?
Marcus D'Eriellius Gallente Oddball Navy	Posted - 2007.08.24 10:36:00 - [44] Edited by: Marcus D''Eriellius on 24/08/2007 10:38:19 I was going to invest in this but Amber stubbornly refuses to release the read-only API key. We are supposed to take her word for it that these chars are training in the skills she has listed. Couple that with the way she was buying the GTCs (not via the secure system direct to the chars involved) means that pretty much anything could be happening with these chars. Edit: The API keys can be revoked at any time and there's no possibility that releasing them could be a security breach. Why doesn't she post the 50 keys in a public forum, it'd be great advertising if nothing else, people could pay a small (few mil) deposit to reserve their favourite name and pay the balance when the char is finished. A little bit more transparency is needed here, this has all the makings of the biggest scam in Eve history. WTB Mobile Labs 75mil each
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.24 13:41:00 - [45] Yeh I see this as a potential nice little business, but to be asking for 100 billion isk with very limited Eve history. This character is 8 months old. I won't call scam, but I will advise anyone investing to be extremely cautious. Areas that need improvement: * Public Disclosure * Proof of business operation * Trustee's to ensure some level of salvage can be maintained if you go scam * A true indicator to your plans on that transfer fee. I am quite worried about this IPO as it relates directly to you having to spend a considerable amount of RL money, with very little return in it for you after all shareholders have paid out (virtually nil really, resulting in a net loss of RL monies). So, investors do so at your own risk, just like any public offering, but ask yourselves why the OP refuses to provide any level of security or public proof as to what he/she is doing. The characters don't NEED to be kept a secret. The OP has said he/she will put the characters on that MYIE or whatever site when they come clearer to completion. When I read that, it tells me that by this time he will have syphoned most of the cash out of you guys, and can then call scam, and then sell the characters. If he is buying GTC's via the non-secure method, then there is also the direct possibility that those GTC's are being resold in RL either via EBAY or a reseller service. So your RL 100b can potentially be funding the OP in real life. Obviously it is all speculation but until the OP starts showing some proof, my post should all be taken heavily into consideration. And this cannot be considered off-topic as it does bring up valid concerns that your investors should have answered.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.24 16:17:00 - [46] Finds herself saying the same words over and over again and responds to the very first error in previous post before even reading the rest I'm not asking for 100 billion Isk, read..
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.24 16:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Amber Leonne Groans and edits/adds because of the sheer idiocy at hand that needs addressing You are the one asking for public investment, we have a right to question your proposal. You should find the time to respond to posts in a cordial manner, otherwise the only assumption to make is that you'd respond in the same aggressive way if things got hard for you down the line. And then it's the investor's ISK at risk. I have been a member of this community for over 4 years and resent being lied to.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.24 16:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Amber Leonne Groans and edits/adds because of the sheer idiocy at hand that needs addressing You are the one asking for public investment, we have a right to question your proposal. You should find the time to respond to posts in a cordial manner, otherwise the only assumption to make is that you'd respond in the same aggressive way if things got hard for you down the line. And then it's the investor's ISK at risk. Yes, the proposal, which has already been detailed in full, stop asking the same questions over and over again, answers have already been given. I don't respond to alt trolls cordially, I'm not that pretentious. They mean to do harm, well I'll deliver kicks to the groin right back. I treat actual investors with the respect they diserve. Things already got hard, this investment is safe, it's what saved me in the first place if anyone was paying attention previously. I pumped half of my wealth into this operation and it's stayed there and will do so until fruition. With investors matching my investment by about an even amount, the entirety of the investment can be seen through to full and final maturement and I can share the wealth some as well. Which I do so enjoy doing, as some may recall, before I was unsounding jacked of tens of billions, I was quite the philanthropist. Bye folks, heading out for the day.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.24 16:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Amber Leonne I don't respond to alt trolls cordially What alt trolls? Originally by: Amber Leonne I'll deliver kicks to the groin right back. I guess this sums up your personality well enough. Unthinkingly aggressive. You don't deserve the respect of people investing in you. I have been a member of this community for over 4 years and resent being lied to.
Marcus D'Eriellius Gallente Oddball Navy	Posted - 2007.08.24 17:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Amber Leonne Yes, the proposal, which has already been detailed in full, stop asking the same questions over and over again, answers have already been given. If by answered you mean you avoided the question then yes you have answered the questions. Come on tell us the real reason you won't release the API keys? It has nothing to do with you having to update ineve.net, all you need to do is visit http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/default.asp and post the user ID and Limited access API key for each of your chars. You have already done this once for yourself as you indicated earlier that you use EVEMON to track their progress. All we are asking is that you give the same opportunity for investors to see their assets. No doubt you will reply by saying all that we need to know is already in this thread or by attacking me personally, if that's what you do then I urge people to think carefully if this is something they want to be involved in. Originally by: Amber Leonne I don't respond to alt trolls cordially, I'm not that pretentious. They mean to do harm, well I'll deliver kicks to the groin right back. I treat actual investors with the respect they diserve. I'm not an alt nor am I trolling. I am seriously interested in investing (as per our EVEmail exchange some days ago) if you will go public with the keys to allow us to track these characters openly. WTB Mobile Lab WTS Shadow POS Tower

EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.24 17:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Amber Leonne As I already mentioned, I'm not asking for 100B, there are two investment segments open, each being valued at 20B. Ok let me simplify this for you. How much are you asking for of public isk. Also, how much public isk has already been put into the bank. Add the two together and give me that figure. Quote: (Umm no, I've disclosed everything, repeatedly) You have disclosed nothing in the form of proof whatsoever. Other than of course a few characters posting in your thread. Quote: (Umm no, everyone who inhabits the Trade Other channel knows goddamned well that this fleet exists as well as anyone who is statioend in Todaki watching them log on and off constantly) Then you should have no problem asking them to post here for you. Quote: (O.o My GTC business alone carries more value than this investment operation, take the reputation from that alone.. then get a clue.) Great, so you don't need public funding then do you. Oh wait, you are asking for public money... I don't think it's me missing the clue. Quote: (Once again, you don't actually have a right to know about my RL finances, so once again, anyone asking/demanding information here may kindly get bent. The fees will be paid in full, that's how character transfers get done, that's how I get our billoins from selling the fleet, otherwise what's the point?) You don't need to provide your CC details, all we want to know is how you expect to generate enough isk back from this venture, after paying out the public 200%, and paying your RL fee's of $1000. Unless of course the characters are being sold on ebay which would make it easier to understand your reluctance to give out information. Quote: Feel free to write up the cost of GTCs to make this much Isk, then think before you speak. Let's say 375M per 90 day GTC, that's 800 GTCs for 300B Isk, @ $30K USD lol? Versus 1K in transfer fees. Discussion over. You may notice the section I linked was your actual words, so forgive me for quoting your incorrect calculations. Point is, you are calculating a RL monetary value on these GTC's you are buying, and have done so multiple times. Why would you be doing this at all, if your intent was not to buy in-game, and resell out-of-game? Quote: I haven't refused, I've even detailed the characters, god forbid I don't waste our time MyEve.com'ing, or whatever the site is, when it's not a relevant time to be doing so. It's called generating investor confidence. Right now, if someone with half a financial brain was to rate your outfit I doubt it would get more than a 2/10. If you actually took the time to work with those pointing out concerns, it would be far higher. Quote: What * do you smoke? How does RL funds, fund my OP? The only OP I have being the in game training of a fleet for in game sale. Good question. Why don't you explain that, seeing as you are the one who was bringing up RL conversion pricing on the GTC thread I linked. Quote: You've yet to post anything valid, most especially your attempt to drudge up the forthcoming proven inaccurate thread. The only part I linked was the section pointing out what you said in local. Are you saying that you didn't say that in local, and you didn't mention isk to $$ conversion again in this thread? So, if you are legit, that's fine. But when you want to run a public corporation, you need to prove that you can be trusted and give people a reason to want to trust you. Oh, and I assume you were talking to me with the alt statement. I may be an alt of a 3.5 year old player (who's name you might have been able to garnish from my name), but my alt is almost the same age as your 'main' asking for the 40-100b (yet to be advised)
Arithron	Posted - 2007.08.24 23:16:00 - [52] Two quotes of interest from your previous posts\; 'Yes, the proposal, which has already been detailed in full' 'Things already got hard, this investment is safe, it's what saved me in the first place if anyone was paying attention previously. I pumped half of my wealth into this operation and it's stayed there and will do so until fruition.' If you have pumped half your wealth into it so far (assuming 54 bil itemised in your first post), and this represents half your wealth, why do you need any further investment? Secondly, you say the proposal is detailed in full. However, you have posted about doubling shares, increasing value etc. I am assuming (forgive me for being slow/dimwitted) that a corp with 10,000 shares at 5.5 mil each (representing a TOTAL value of the corp at 55 bil), but with costs for training the characters etc estimated at just over 100 bil, has a shortfall of 50 odd billion isk? EVEN if you sold all 10,000 shares, you would still be 50 bil or so short of costs (which I am assuming you will say is your investment). However, this means that in essence you would own no assets of the corp (since 100% of shares would be held by other players), and so taking a chunk of profits would then essentially by defrauding investors, even if you just took your investment! So, you really must have another 10,000k of hidden shares for your business model to work. My questions: HOW MANY SHARES? HOW MUCH IS EACH ONE?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.25 04:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Amber Leonne I don't respond to alt trolls cordially What alt trolls? Originally by: Amber Leonne I'll deliver kicks to the groin right back. I guess this sums up your personality well enough. Unthinkingly aggressive. You don't deserve the respect of people investing in you. You honestly think someone named after some EVE Banking venture should be trusted? It says enough right there. My personality traits when called up to defend myself have nothing to do with the validity of my investment ventures nor the stability and efficiency of them to deliver proper and timely gains timme and time again. I'm a professional, there's no need to address trolling professionally, that's another category of give a **** that I don't subscribe to, and as always, I'm always the only one honest enough to be the first to admit that there's little point to being pretentious. I'm sorry you can't stand the fact that I have never been, and never will be, two faced like 95% of the EVE community.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.25 04:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius If by answered you mean you avoided the question then yes you have answered the questions. Come on tell us the real reason you won't release the API keys? I would greatly appreciate it if you would try reading for once. I already answered this, I'ms orry if it was so simple that it flew over your head. I don't care to perform the unnesecary labor right now. Especially for the people who've come into this thread with the prerequisite of an Obelisk freighter just to back their attitude/ego/BS/haterade. Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius It has nothing to do with you having to update ineve.net, all you need to do is visit http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/default.asp and post the user ID and Limited access API key for each of your chars. You have already done this once for yourself as you indicated earlier that you use EVEMON to track their progress. All we are asking is that you give the same opportunity for investors to see their assets. No doubt you will reply by saying all that we need to know is already in this thread or by attacking me personally, if that's what you do then I urge people to think carefully if this is something they want to be involved in. Yes I remember doing it for EVE Mon all damned night, hence why I'm not doing it again right now, I'm busy working my tail off to bring this fleet to maturement to pan out for all invested. APIs will do nothing to facilitate that at this juncture. Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius Originally by: Amber Leonne I don't respond to alt trolls cordially, I'm not that pretentious. They mean to do harm, well I'll deliver kicks to the groin right back. I treat actual investors with the respect they diserve. I'm not an alt nor am I trolling. I am seriously interested in investing (as per our EVEmail exchange some days ago) if you will go public with the keys to allow us to track these characters openly. No, because then I have to start writing freaking newsletters about every single time I switch skills halfway through to manipulate my own personal schedule and to route around conflicts, and that's several hours a day alone that I don't have to be doing tedious busy work that benefits absolutely no one and hampers my productivity which further degrades the efficiency of the operation. M'kay? Now is not the time, simple as that, you've been given a listing of skills above, read them, know them, live with them. The fleet just finished Exhumers III & is working on Exhumers IV at the moment to give me a few days off for this 3 day weekend I'm currently faced with. After that, I switch back to finishing the remaining 1 day and 7 hours on Mining Barges V.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.25 04:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Arithron Two quotes of interest from your previous posts\; 'Yes, the proposal, which has already been detailed in full' 'Things already got hard, this investment is safe, it's what saved me in the first place if anyone was paying attention previously. I pumped half of my wealth into this operation and it's stayed there and will do so until fruition.' If you have pumped half your wealth into it so far (assuming 54 bil itemised in your first post), and this represents half your wealth, why do you need any further investment? Because my personal assets were attacked by incompetent/corrupt staff remember? They tried making me a martyr and failed miserably and only managed to get themselves ranked up with SOE in terms of whom I think can go..... Originally by: Arithron Secondly, you say the proposal is detailed in full. However, you have posted about doubling shares, increasing value etc. I am assuming (forgive me for being slow/dimwitted) that a corp with 10,000 shares at 5.5 mil each (representing a TOTAL value of the corp at 55 bil), but with costs for training the characters etc estimated at just over 100 bil, has a shortfall of 50 odd billion isk? EVEN if you sold all 10,000 shares, you would still be 50 bil or so short of costs (which I am assuming you will say is your investment). However, this means that in essence you would own no assets of the corp (since 100% of shares would be held by other players), and so taking a chunk of profits would then essentially by defrauding investors, even if you just took your investment! So, you really must have another 10,000k of hidden shares for your business model to work. My questions: HOW MANY SHARES? HOW MUCH IS EACH ONE? Me-thinks you need a calculator I have 50+ billion in EVE, investors should be aiming to have about the same if we go for the 5 month plan. IE, Investors & I will have about half the shares total split amongst us. I don't comprehend where in the world you would ever concieve of an idea such as me not having any of my own stake in this? Share price? Irrelevant right now, but assume 5.5M until I edit it up properly. Appropriate # of shares will be sent in the meantime until the changes are made and the actual ISK INVESTMENT is what's used to retally the investor's new total stock share quantity which means I'll be sending out shares to everyone when & if any changes occur, which they should, because a stable finalized price will simply help everyone.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.25 05:06:00 - [56] EBANK, your posts continually display your refusal to read the first three posts of this thread, feel free to leave immediately. Your input is not welcome, warranted, respected, or tolerated at this point. I get editing bugs just trying to reply to you at this point, and you're not worth it with your continued shown lack of comprehension about practically anything and everything going on here. When you feel like actually gussying up your reading comprehension, maybe you can come back. Night folks.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.25 05:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Amber Leonne You honestly think someone named after some EVE Banking venture should be trusted? Tbh he did a crap job of naming his troll alt then, seeing as it's Ricdic himself, someone who runs multiple billion public corporations himself. You fail at counter smack, stop trying. I have been a member of this community for over 4 years and resent being lied to.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.25 06:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Amber Leonne You honestly think someone named after some EVE Banking venture should be trusted? Tbh he did a crap job of naming his troll alt then, seeing as it's Ricdic himself, someone who runs multiple billion public corporations himself. You fail at counter smack, stop trying. Thanks for admiting to attempts to "smack", further proves my point in being disdainful and dismissive in these proceedings.
Mr Fear	Posted - 2007.08.25 06:46:00 - [59] Edited by: Mr Fear on 25/08/2007 06:48:17 Hi Amber! I would like to invest in 37 shares please... I have sent you 203.5 milj isk as we speak :)
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.25 07:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Mr Fear Edited by: Mr Fear on 25/08/2007 06:48:17 Hi Amber! I would like to invest in 37 shares please... I have sent you 203.5 milj isk as we speak :) Take care of, lemme update the investor's page.

Dr Blindless Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.08.26 12:22:00 - [61] 110m of ISK paid for 20 shares --- In the universe of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.26 19:10:00 - [62] Originally by: Dr Blindless 110m of ISK paid for 20 shares Get it to you in about 2 minutes hun, thanks.
Trading Bunnz ElArms International	Posted - 2007.08.27 12:24:00 - [63] Two quick, simple questions that I'd like you to respond to for me, to help me make a decision on this. :) 1) Does the announced changes to GTC transactions pose any downside risk to your business plan? 2) Does anything about your business plan breach the EULA you and I both signed? Cheers
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.27 20:25:00 - [64] Originally by: Trading Bunnz Two quick, simple questions that I'd like you to respond to for me, to help me make a decision on this. :) 1) Does the announced changes to GTC transactions pose any downside risk to your business plan? 2) Does anything about your business plan breach the EULA you and I both signed? Cheers 1) No 2) **** No. The design of limiting us to a singular skill training at onec on an entire account is to encourage the widespread happenstance of singular players paying for multiple accounts. I happen to take this to an extreme so not only am I within bounds of the EULA, I'm a valued customer of CCP's with several thousand dollars worth of GTCs spread amongst my accounts. Losing me would be like losing a hundred other customers in one go. Not to mention the additional thousand of actual cash they'll scathe from me during character sales.
Arithron	Posted - 2007.08.27 21:58:00 - [65] Edited by: Arithron on 27/08/2007 21:59:05 Err, don't know what school of business you come from, but you may need to go back... 'I don't comprehend where in the world you would ever concieve of an idea such as me not having any of my own stake in this? Share price? Irrelevant right now, but assume 5.5M until I edit it up properly. Appropriate # of shares will be sent in the meantime until the changes are made and the actual ISK INVESTMENT is what's used to retally the investor's new total stock share quantity'null null The number of shares one recieves is THE MOST important aprt of an investment like this. For you, it is looking like ISK is the most important. I used your figures to calculate shares etc- if you are not making all shares in your company available (ie, the corp has more than 10,000 shares), you should declare TOTAL number of shares, so investors can see what percentage of the total investment package (the supposed 50+ pilots) they will get. An eight month old character might not garner the trust level you think it does...no-one really knows you, despite what you say...cept you are a gtc reseller that buys and sells by non-secure method, which immediately makes some people suspicious. Your evasive and constant refusal to supply ANY FIRM EVIDENCE that the 50 pilots exist, by means of ineve.net or the like, makes me highly suspicious of you and your supposed 50 pilots. Others should also tread warily in this investment, until you supply some EVIDENCE. Scammers, afterall, talk a good talk...you have to PROVE that you aren't scamming. Which leads us to the possibility that 80% of investors could, in fact, be non-investors...ie, your alts, since you have so many of them! For these reasons, unless they are addressed, I will not be investing nor giving you bumps...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.28 16:38:00 - [66] I've upped a thread to assist in gradually preparing the fleet for the 5 month investment segment, which means we should step up capital development for the purpose of fueling the subscription time segment in addition to finalizing of funding for the 2,250M + 18,000M required for 50x Advanced Starship Command & Capital Ship skillbooks.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:30:00 - [67] News has struck with the Rorqual being publicized and now we know exactly what's required and what's not for the fleet's skills. I'll be replacing the training time for Exumers V (Which isn't even nessecary really) with time spent on Navigation/Drone/Leadership(Would require Empathy) skills to maximize the usefulness of the ORE Capital Industrial ship. Speaking of which, the price for the skillbook for Capital Industrial Ships is about 500M, weee + Damn it lol. If we want that as a selling point for our fleet, we'll have to raise another 25B, but we can add another 1-2B to the price of the pilots as well which equates to another investment segment equalling a couple hundred percent return when matured. So here's the list of things we need again, in order of importance/priority. 1) 2,250,000,000 Isk - 50x Advanced Spaceship Command skillbooks 2) 18,000,000,000 Isk - 50x Capital Ship skillbooks 3) 1,350,000 Isk - 50x Warp Drive Operation skillbooks 4) 45,000,000 Isk - Jump Drive Operation skillbooks 5) 18-20,000,000,000 Isk 50x 90 day GTCs to train the fleet for another 3 months to eek out even more umph and satisfaction in the buyer's eyes and to solidify our price point. 6) 25,000,000,000 - 50x Capital Industrial Ships skillbooks (Current invesments not yet subtracted from this total) Maximum Total Required: 63,296,350,000 Isk Which is about what NETI is currently worth as it is. The spaces between the prioritized segments represents sale times possible. We could sell in 2 months after Capital Ships IV has trained. We could sell after an additional 3 months of refinement. We could sell with or without Capital Industrial Ships trained. Though the fact remains, the futher along we develope, the more secure any pricing we set will be. Prearranged Assets: I already have 50 cans with 20 skillbooks in them each, mainly processing skills but also a couple drone skills and the Navigation skillbook to go around. If anything were to be added to this it would be Leadership skills & Drone Durability, maximizing the effects of ORE capital ships. Customers would greatly appreciate that.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.28 22:26:00 - [68] :::::NEW FINALIZED SHARE PRICE BASED UPON TOTAL PROJECTED WORTH OF NETI::::: Total Invested: 54,380,909,616 Isk Total Required: 61,046,350,000 Isk Total Worth of NETI: 115,427,259,616 Isk Shares Price: +40K Shares Price: 2,308,545 (Round up to 2.31M) for a friendlier entry price capacity. Remainders would be shaved into extra to simply cover corporation fees. Investors, you needn't worry. As you can tell, I'm purposefully dividing the stock so that if corporation worth reassessments occur, such as times like this, what you see happen is that your Isk invesment receives the # of shares due to it in addition to the ones you already have, based on your previous payments. The remainder of any Isk investment will be refunded or you can provide the missing remainder to acquiring the next unit of stock.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.28 22:27:00 - [69] Edited by: Amber Leonne on 28/08/2007 22:27:22 Dagnabit
Mr Fear	Posted - 2007.08.29 18:24:00 - [70] Hi again Amber! I would like to buy another 43 shares for 99.33 milj isk please isk sent as of now... oh and i bought 37 shares at the old price of 5.5 milj ... should i get more shares now that the price is half of that?

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.29 18:36:00 - [71] You've been updated to 131 Shares total and refunded 220,000 Isk remainder :)
Salin Kael Allied Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.29 21:30:00 - [72] 200 shares bought.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.30 00:04:00 - [73] Wootness, finally got my OWN shares figured out lmao :) I be about 2/5ths o' NETI
Mr Fear	Posted - 2007.08.30 03:51:00 - [74] Hello again Amber! I would like another 64 shares at 2.31 Milj a piece for 147,84 milj in total. Isk sent as we speak.
Khanid Honey	Posted - 2007.08.30 12:39:00 - [75] Originally by: Amber Leonne Originally by: Evo Lution So you, as owner of the accounts, will be paying $20 x 50 to cover the transfer fee for all the characters? That's $1,000. How is that factored into your plan? Were you getting to a point? My RL costs have nothing to do with this side of EVE. Guess that is part of your plan for making $15000 from converting all your ISK to $ using GTCs. I doubt any dividends will be payed as that will cut your cash profit. It's funny how 250b ISK is very close to $15k after conversion ;)
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.30 16:44:00 - [76] Originally by: Khanid Honey Originally by: Amber Leonne Originally by: Evo Lution So you, as owner of the accounts, will be paying $20 x 50 to cover the transfer fee for all the characters? That's $1,000. How is that factored into your plan? Were you getting to a point? My RL costs have nothing to do with this side of EVE. Guess that is part of your plan for making $15000 from converting all your ISK to $ using GTCs. I doubt any dividends will be payed as that will cut your cash profit. It's funny how 250b ISK is very close to $15k after conversion ;) It's funny how offbase and poorly researched your accusations are lmao Typical though, so forgiven Waves
Khanid Honey	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:05:00 - [77] Originally by: Amber Leonne Originally by: Khanid Honey Originally by: Amber Leonne Originally by: Evo Lution So you, as owner of the accounts, will be paying $20 x 50 to cover the transfer fee for all the characters? That's $1,000. How is that factored into your plan? Were you getting to a point? My RL costs have nothing to do with this side of EVE. Guess that is part of your plan for making $15000 from converting all your ISK to $ using GTCs. I doubt any dividends will be payed as that will cut your cash profit. It's funny how 250b ISK is very close to $15k after conversion ;) It's funny how offbase and poorly researched your accusations are lmao Typical though, so forgiven Waves Linky for those who hasn't seen you bragging about it in Jita local. Good luck finding more investors for your little scheme...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:25:00 - [78] Nice try troll, but you're gonna have a hard time pushing out of context misperceived BS down people's throat when opposed to one of the most reputed merchants in our community. You don't even warrant a unique post lmao. Copy & pastes Originally by: Amber Leonne Omg that's a sad accusation rotflmao... You don't even know the basics about me do you? GTCs... They're what I do, and I do them better than any other public trader. I spent about a month setting aside 90 day GTcs and launched 50 accounts during one week, aimed at being hulk pilots. Well they've obtained that status but with Revelations 2.2 and some flexibility for account maturement and NETI investment, bingo bango, 50 hulksters can be 50 ORE Capital Industrial Ship pilots. Do your home or simply stfu please. You halfassed trolls are seriously getting on everyone's last nerves with your unfounded and uncalaculated accusations grounded in nothing but sheer idiocy.
super bomberman	Posted - 2007.08.30 22:48:00 - [79] Edited by: super bomberman on 30/08/2007 22:48:38 Linky for those who hasn't seen you bragging about it in Jita local. HA owned tbfh
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:02:00 - [80] Originally by: super bomberman Edited by: super bomberman on 30/08/2007 22:48:38 Linky for those who hasn't seen you bragging about it in Jita local. HA owned tbfh I'm gonna hope you just read really slow given that your post is 25 minutes after the fact and you thought you were reading something relevant before you returned to find the actual facts.

super bomberman	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:09:00 - [81] no it took a while due to me not being able to figure the 'quote' thing out onoes epic fail. But thanks for address the issue in hand and putting everybodys mind at rest,.. wait wait,.. ummmm where was i oh yea oh yeah, good luck with you ponzi after this post i deem you no longer worth my time.
Victor Santiago Minmatar Republic Freight	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:16:00 - [82] Originally by: super bomberman no it took a while due to me not being able to figure the 'quote' thing out onoes epic fail. But thanks for address the issue in hand and putting everybodys mind at rest,.. wait wait,.. ummmm where was i oh yea oh yeah, good luck with you ponzi after this post i deem you no longer worth my time. Was that even a sentence?
super bomberman	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:21:00 - [83] your army of alts arnt worth my time either
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.30 23:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Victor Santiago Originally by: super bomberman no it took a while due to me not being able to figure the 'quote' thing out onoes epic fail. But thanks for address the issue in hand and putting everybodys mind at rest,.. wait wait,.. ummmm where was i oh yea oh yeah, good luck with you ponzi after this post i deem you no longer worth my time. Was that even a sentence? LoL couldn't tell, but alas, whatcha gonna do. This week it has become apparent that online ISD are either biased/corrupt, or incompetent, with the also additional possibility that they're just not here. Nothing has been done to control the unrelenting trolling from buttmunches with nothing constructive to say whatsoever. The only ISD action I've seen yielded in a week is in fact against forum regulations and baffles me with the sheer degree of idiocy it took to inact their actions taken. You heard me D.B. We can lock threads that have perfect legitimacy in their location, but we can't abide but forum rules and whipe troll posts even when moderator email submissions are made. Class A service we're getting this week Thumbs up In other news, more positive news... :::::INVESTOR'S UPDATE/ALERT!::::: 1) Upcoming Absense: Friday evening to Monday Evening/Tuesday morning I will be taking a lil vacation to a cabin a few hours north in Baldwin Michigan I'll of course be back and tending to business sometime Tuesday afternoon most likely. 2) Accounting Revelation: NETI makes most of it's capital by cycling a margin of profit via my GTC trade, and speaking of which, there's over 15 billion isk worth of GTCs currently in stock, added to the corporate wallet of about 10-11B... this means we have enough to procure the fleet's Capital Ship skillbooks! I'm absolutely ecstatic about this and would like to congratulate initial investors on bringing us forth to the first checkpoint in our goals list. With Advanced Starship Command & Capital Ships able to be trained we will be able to achieve a lucrative first ditch sales option if we're unable to go another 3-4 months worth of training (To be funded by another investment line of about 20B, already preoutlined). Should the GTCs be assembled to keep developing the pilots then we will have to assess exactly what we wish to hone. Navigation skills first, warp drive operation/jump drive operation. After that, I believe some Drone skills would sit well. Beyond that, some leadership skills as the ORE capital ship is basically a mobile production facility in the middle of an asteroid field, likely the figurehead of a fleet of miners actually mining. The most important piece of the pie is a third investment segment of 25B for 50x Industrial Capital Ships skillbooks. I think it's more than obvious what worth this would add to the fleet overall if we were able to achieve it. 3) 3... What was it.. Well I suppose that'll do for now
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.08.31 21:44:00 - [85] :::::Quick Update to Investors::::: 1) The fleet just finished Navigation IV & began Advanced Starship Command IV which will finish at 6:30-7AM Tuesday morning. 2) I will be leaving for Baldwin Michigan in about 3 or so hours and returning Monday evening but likely not returning online until Tuesday. 3) .... God damn it OH! I was thinking about gathering up all of the XML's for the fleet. I'm not sure if there's an appropriate place up top in the thread to list them all but I'll try. I might have to do so via linking offthread to a thread full of links. Or I could prematurily start the pilot's sales threads..
Mr Fear	Posted - 2007.09.01 12:22:00 - [86] Hello Amber! I¦ve sent the sum of 51.86 Milj to your corporation for 22 more share please, Thank You...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.04 21:05:00 - [87] Alrighty then, I'm backies! Could've sworn I posted in this thread earlier today but I must've gotten an error and gotten side tracked. Anyhow, all 50 pilots are currently working on Advanced Starship Command V for the next 19-20 days and NETI has accumulated over 30x 90 day GTCs for extending the fleet in November. All though, Iskwise NETI is flatlined from it's investments in capital production as turnover stagnates this week, or more so, investment depth flourished with the capacity to convert Isk to GTCs at an accelerated rate due to several large bulk deals. What's this mean? Basically it's like putting the Corp's Isk into bonds that pay out interest yields in the form of GTC resale profit margins. There's about 60 30 day GTCs worth 13 and a half billion Isk alongside the 90 day GTCs would could be converted into over 14 and a half billion Isk (But shouldn't, because we need them and they can be hard to get sometimes). So then, summarized. NETI has no Isk on hand to acquire Capital Ship skillbooks at the moment, but it's assets are worth just shy of 30 billion Isk, albiet, half of that should stay as is as it's 75% of the 2nd investment batch's worth. Which means that we're 75% fullfilled in two out of three investment batches which is awesome! Of course The trick will be the sale of 60 30 day GTCs over 20 days. Doable if a quota of 3-5/day is mantained and if the only GTC purchases allowed, via my reputable GTC business, are in the form of needed 90 day GTCs. All and all, we're on track, but the course is rather precarious with the purse strings tightly funneled. Continue reminding your friends and business partners about NETI stock opportunities and this investment will pan out properly with minimal stress for all. Thanks for reading, and of course, thanks for investing, I look forward to paying out those dividends repeatedly with each character sale.
Mr Fear	Posted - 2007.09.05 14:12:00 - [88] Hello again! I would like another 43 shares please, thank you. Isk of the amount of 99.33 Milj, sent to New Eden Technical Institutes.
Segge Bolled Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.05 16:41:00 - [89] The EVE Online Market. When in doubt, throw ISK at it and see what happens! Wallet entry: 2007.09.05 16:39
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.05 17:20:00 - [90] Updated investors sheet n' such. :::::Status Update::::: About 30 billion Isk is currently held in the form of Game Time Codes. Active attempts are made throughout every day to liquidate and cycle this stock to continuously generate more corporate capital income. We have about 22 days to generate/convert a total capital of 360Mx50 to obtain the required Capital Ship skillbooks to complete this investment segment. After that, we'll be addressing acquisition of subscription extensions for the fleet to further refine their skillbases. If anyone has any questions or anything, please feel free to get in touch with me!

Segge Bolled Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.06 05:01:00 - [91] Logged in, saw my shares. Cheers.
Dinwiddy Snurdle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.09.06 09:23:00 - [92] Originally by: Segge Bolled Logged in, saw my shares. Cheers. I'm interested in this venture however I would like to ask someone who has already invested in it a simple question if I may? Segge (or any other investor who cares to answer), have you been provided with any proof that the 50 characters (i.e. the actual stock) exists? Do I need to buy the shares before this information is revealed? I'm seriously interested in making a significant investment here, however until I'm given physical proof that the 'stock' actually exists I find it strange that people are investing purely on trust. This question is aimed at any investor. Thanks in advance.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.06 12:17:00 - [93] So 5.5 mill a share huh? I'll take 2 please, I'll evemail you in game. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:29:00 - [94] Edited by: Amber Leonne on 06/09/2007 16:29:55 Originally by: Dinwiddy Snurdle Originally by: Segge Bolled Logged in, saw my shares. Cheers. I'm interested in this venture however I would like to ask someone who has already invested in it a simple question if I may? Segge (or any other investor who cares to answer), have you been provided with any proof that the 50 characters (i.e. the actual stock) exists? Do I need to buy the shares before this information is revealed? I'm seriously interested in making a significant investment here, however until I'm given physical proof that the 'stock' actually exists I find it strange that people are investing purely on trust. This question is aimed at any investor. Thanks in advance. Edits extremely angry response to individual who didn't read the thread Read... really read, the list of all 50 characters is present.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:30:00 - [95] Originally by: Celeste Coeval So 5.5 mill a share huh? I'll take 2 please, I'll evemail you in game. It's 2.31M per share.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:51:00 - [96] Shares/investments updated with Konjiro's addition. Given character limits in posts (4000 to be exact) I will probably be changing the format of the Investment sheet soon, it only has room for a couple more names currently. So I'll be removing the word shares from each line and probably the 1)'s and putting everyone's stuf fjust on one line which also eliminates the hidden "Breaks" HTML code thingy.
Dinwiddy Snurdle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.09.06 18:31:00 - [97] Originally by: Amber Leonne Edited by: Amber Leonne on 06/09/2007 16:29:55 Originally by: Dinwiddy Snurdle Originally by: Segge Bolled Logged in, saw my shares. Cheers. I'm interested in this venture however I would like to ask someone who has already invested in it a simple question if I may? Segge (or any other investor who cares to answer), have you been provided with any proof that the 50 characters (i.e. the actual stock) exists? Do I need to buy the shares before this information is revealed? I'm seriously interested in making a significant investment here, however until I'm given physical proof that the 'stock' actually exists I find it strange that people are investing purely on trust. This question is aimed at any investor. Thanks in advance. Edits extremely angry response to individual who didn't read the thread Read... really read, the list of all 50 characters is present. Excuse me but I DID read your very lengthy post. But you have yet to provide proof that these characters are anything but 4 month old alts who haven't had a single isk spent on them or even trained one single skill. That list is NOT proof !!! You've linked ONE character - out of 50 - where we can actually see its skills and that you are activley training it up for re-sale. And because of that as far as I'm concerned you have only 1 single piece of stock, not 50. You've obviously put a lot of work into this so spend a little more time and provide links to ALL 50 characters so that prospective investors who take the time to actually think before sending you isk can see for themselves if you are legit. The imppression you have left me thus far with your angry out-bursts to those who have posed valid questions leaves me with serious doubts. I think you have a great idea and I really want to invest into your venture. All i'm asking is for a little more proof that all 50 characters are genuine (and by that I mean proof that you've invested isk and time into their development and not just created 1 genuine character and 49 dead alts). When you do that you will gain another investor.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.06 19:22:00 - [98] I'm the leading GTC dealer in EVE... I'm personally damned near bankrupt, where do you think I've poured all my time and Isk? As to only having trained one character... Why, why in the world would it be conceivable for me to had spent 40 billion on 90 day GTCs, personally, to not be training all 50 in their entirety? I have a track record of making tens upon tens of billions legitimately, why would I ever feel the desire to do otherwise? I make more money having a flawless reputation than I could ever make with a scam. Anyhow, I checke dinto it yesterday, it's going to take two full posts and several hours of labor to InEve.net the fleet. And I would've gladly done so if threads would stop getting hijacked by trollings.
Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.06 21:46:00 - [99] Actually, I was in a lengthy conversation with Amber, where she said she was linking characters etc. She linked one, then offered to do 3 others....I asked her to do 3 random ones (which I picked from the list)- GUESS WHAT? You guessed it, they have yet to be linked....I am now thinking that just one exists also... Amber, you have yet to also address the thread link regarding the $$ you bragged about going to make in channel conversation (link back on last page). You may be the leading GTC reseller (by NON_SECURE METHOD), but selling the donated ones for cash and using investment money in this venture would be a clever scam. As I said in our conversation, you must go out of your way to convince us, the potential investor, that everything is on the up and up... BTW, shouting that you are the leading GTC reseller etc makes no difference to most of us- I had never heard of you, nor have many others I have talked to. Your reputation as a GTC buyer/seller(by unsecure method) is NOT a great endorsment for a venture capital scheme such as the one you are proposing (which may or may not be legitimate). Now, you are prolly gonna call me names, insult me, say I am trolling etc- Do this if it makes you feel powerful and better, but its of little consequence to me at all- YOU still have to ACTUALLY PROVE what is being asked...all you have done so far is puff hot air... Arithron
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.06 22:31:00 - [100] Umm hun, step #1, you forgot to get back to me. I haven't heard from you since, why do you think you haven't gotten your precious links? Try following up on your own requests before you try and con them off as admissable evidence.

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.06 22:38:00 - [101] Resubmits a message similar to this as the janky** forums gobble up the other* Is it seriously that hard for CCP to even get a forum right? Jesus Christ.. Anyhow, the investor's sheet has been updated and will be updated further asap as soon as offbased trolls stfu and let me work instead of having to respond to their endless cycle of dribble. A 4.5B deficit has been paid off and NETI is operating in the black with all it's assets intact and ready for conversion back to Isk while expanding it's capital's profit margins. Half of the stock remains in 90 day GTCs to our benefit, leaving about 15B worth of 30 day GTCs which need to be converted along with 5-10B Isk that needs to be acquired in under 20'ish days to progress the fleet along by obtaining the 50 Capital Ship skillbooks it requires. Good good? Aye, good good, all's well and we continue to move forward despite community obstacles. Ctr+C's & clicks Post Reply with little expectation of positive outcome
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.07 00:13:00 - [102] WOOT! I finally processed all of the Stock Split changes to prior investor's holdings, and soon I will using the unified format to do a quick top to bottom edit of the Investor's sheet to clear up some space.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.07 00:36:00 - [103] Booyah, freed up nearly 900-1000 characters in the investor's list, plenty of room for future inhabitants now
Yue Xiang Caldari Black Company Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.07 07:11:00 - [104] When i started this game you sold me my first GTC's even told me how it works n such so =P So in the basis of that trust i would like to invest 250x shares @ 2.31 for 577.5m, Money is sent looking forward to the shares shortly =P It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Dinwiddy Snurdle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.09.07 13:56:00 - [105] Edited by: Dinwiddy Snurdle on 07/09/2007 13:59:39 Originally by: Amber Leonne I'm the leading GTC dealer in EVE... I'm personally damned near bankrupt, where do you think I've poured all my time and Isk? As to only having trained one character... Why, why in the world would it be conceivable for me to had spent 40 billion on 90 day GTCs, personally, to not be training all 50 in their entirety? I have a track record of making tens upon tens of billions legitimately, why would I ever feel the desire to do otherwise? I make more money having a flawless reputation than I could ever make with a scam. Anyhow, I checke dinto it yesterday, it's going to take two full posts and several hours of labor to InEve.net the fleet. And I would've gladly done so if threads would stop getting hijacked by trollings. Again these are just lots of words. *Make that list. Link ALL 50 characters on InEve.net (even if it takes all day!) so that we can see actual investment being made both in skills bought and skills trained.* Thats all you need do! Once you've done that I (as well as many others I'd hazard to guess) would feel a lot more comfortable in investing with you. Until that list is available anyone thinking of investing with you must be insane. Bottom line... you needn't reply as I'm not interested in reading another cloned post from you unless it shows 100% solid proof that those characters are what you say they are.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.07 15:12:00 - [106] Originally by: Yue Xiang When i started this game you sold me my first GTC's even told me how it works n such so =P So in the basis of that trust i would like to invest 250x shares @ 2.31 for 577.5m, Money is sent looking forward to the shares shortly =P I'll have it processed in the next two hours, it's great seeing you again, how've you been?!
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.07 15:28:00 - [107] Originally by: Dinwiddy Snurdle *Make that list. Link ALL 50 characters on InEve.net (even if it takes all day!) so that we can see actual investment being made both in skills bought and skills trained.* Thats too much work, as Amber has said. He doesn't believe the 30-50b we are providing him is worth his time to bother doing the work. You should be able to decide which way to push your investment based on this point alone that Amber himself has said multiple times in this thread. Can't be bothered spending a day or so proving himself, just so he can use the isk that you guys have spent months saving for. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:32:00 - [108] Originally by: Amber Leonne Umm hun, step #1, you forgot to get back to me. I haven't heard from you since, why do you think you haven't gotten your precious links? Try following up on your own requests before you try and con them off as admissable evidence. Quite funny reply, as I DID GIVE YOU FOUR OTHER NAMES, at the time of our converstaion, which you did not link, and have yet to link... Again, diversion and avoidance....and I note you have yet to explain your statement about making $$$ from GTC sales, as posted in an alternate thread with links back one page. Your explanations about time to link etc are meaningless...you could just link five, if they existed, in less than 10 minutes... You, afterall, want 50 billion from players..you have to show you are worth it... Arithron
Yue Xiang Caldari Black Company Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:47:00 - [109] Shares have been accepted =P, its not my place for im not a forum moderator, but the simple fact is if your slandering the seller without any intention of buying shows that you are conceited, simply the fact is all investments take risks, people invest in others knowing that they might not have their money returned in hopes of making some kind of profit. It is better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:15:00 - [110] Originally by: ArithronAgain, diversion and avoidance....and I note you have yet to explain your statement about making $$$ from GTC sales, as posted in an alternate thread with links back one page.[/quote Nice to see you can't read. That's actually been the most addressed question repeatedly answered and clarified. Your input is, guess what, once again, still not warranted/valid/desired in these parts, veer away or reap continual harassment petitions for your blatant lazy ignorance and continued trolling.

Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:26:00 - [111] Slandering the seller? Trolling? harrassment? I will invest, just like anyone else, when questions posed are answered...since when is asking VALID questions and requiring some proof been slander/trolling/harrassment? This is, afterall, a public forum where you have put your 'investment' to be scrutinised by potential investors. If you think I am harrassing you, please, go ahead and petition. If you read my posts, I have never accused you of anything except not answering questions... Arithron
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:34:00 - [112] The trolling harassment part comes in the form of your "unaswered questions" accusation being complete and utter **ing bull** of course . I literally couldn't answer the same questions over and over again and I won't, it's that simple, the thread still exists, try reading it sometime. Try reading the others.
Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:05:00 - [113] My mistake then, if I have missed it (read everything on linkages and your other postings). For clarification, since I am obviously very stupid, could you perhaps post some links to show where proof of the 50 characters are (more than one character would be handy). I'm not wanting a list of names, but some ineve.com links that I refer to earlier and you say exist.. If you also took my reference to a link in this thread as an accusation, I again apologise. Could you also post a link to where you cleared this matter up and bashed the trollers etc?? I must have missed the thread! Arithron
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:51:00 - [114] Once again, do it yourself, trolls have interupted my day far too many times to give a flying ** anymore. I either respond to you or I get work done, what's it going to be? Have you not gotten that yet? I have VERY limited time to do every little thing, all this bull** in the forums has delayed scheduled labors for over a week.
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:36:00 - [115] I'm with Arithron on this, let's see some links for these characters you claim to be skilling. The more I read this and other threads about you, I'm starting to get the impression that this will all end in a giant scam. Btw, how busy could you possibly be? Setting skills once in a while, that is if you actually have these accounts, and spamming your GTC buying/selling in Other trade channel? Linking a few randomly requested characters should take no longer than 20-30mins tops! The Pusher Man
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:51:00 - [116] Of course you're with him, you trolled/attacked me in Trade Other a day or so ago and got crushed by a wave of opposition from individuals with more accurate perception
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:10:00 - [117] Originally by: Amber Leonne Of course you're with him, you trolled/attacked me in Trade Other a day or so ago and got crushed by a wave of opposition from individuals with more accurate perception Is that so... I informed a few players that they could get far cheaper GTCs here on the forums than ingame, you out of nowhere decided to jump on me with your wild attacks and name calling all the while accusing me of personally attacking you. It was quite laughable actually and the one or two "Amber supporters" does not a wave make! You are loony buddy. Post the character links that people are requesting in order to back up your whole deal you got going on in here. Any sane investor should be asking for this type of information. The Pusher Man
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:13:00 - [118] If this were the place were for posting chatlogs, you'd be summarily "crushed" yet again, alas, I have a life. ... WTB one?
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:20:00 - [119] Yes, just like when I challenged you to QUOTE me in the channel for attacking you on a personal level you failed to provide said quotes. You're only good at talking in circles. It's clear to anyone that has been following this thread and the other ones regarding you that this is indeed very shady. If you spent the time that you do replying to people in the manner that you are and instead posting a few random ineve.net char listings, maybe more people would believe in this venture and not see it as a long-term-con aka scam. So, instead of replying to me or anyone else for the next few 20-30 mins, why don't you provide some characters from your hulk fleet. Let's see the skill builds. The Pusher Man
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:21:00 - [120] Investor's Sheet updated all . Sometime this weekend, through Monday/Tuesday, I'll be adding in edits on those two qued psots in the first page.

Dinwiddy Snurdle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.09.08 10:14:00 - [121] Edited by: Dinwiddy Snurdle on 08/09/2007 10:15:25 Well IÆve read through this whole thread once more (along with all the other linked threads) and the parallels with the Eve Galactic Bank fiasco are incredibly similar. * An ambitions investment plan ran by someone who continuously fails to provide a single shred of proof that it holds any stock. * A person who continuously dodges the most important questions posed. * A person that keeps telling everyone those questions have been answered when in-fact they certainly have not. * Pages and pages of text, long numbers, and long winded responses that say absolutely nothing. * An army of alts backing up the OP with what are most likely fake investments. * And finally the typical bunch of investors who will plough money into anything without thinking about what they're doing or asking the simplest of questions. (These will the first people on here crying to the GM's when their money 'disappears' if it does turn out to be an elaborate scam). Did you people learn nothing from the Eve Galactic Banks scam? And with that I'm out. Amber, good luck fleecing the gullible - they deserve to lose every penny
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.08 13:24:00 - [122] Originally by: Dinwiddy Snurdle Edited by: Dinwiddy Snurdle on 08/09/2007 10:15:25 Well IÆve read through this whole thread once more (along with all the other linked threads) and the parallels with the Eve Galactic Bank fiasco are incredibly similar. * An ambitions investment plan ran by someone who continuously fails to provide a single shred of proof that it holds any stock. * A person who continuously dodges the most important questions posed. * A person that keeps telling everyone those questions have been answered when in-fact they certainly have not. * Pages and pages of text, long numbers, and long winded responses that say absolutely nothing. * An army of alts backing up the OP with what are most likely fake investments. * And finally the typical bunch of investors who will plough money into anything without thinking about what they're doing or asking the simplest of questions. (These will the first people on here crying to the GM's when their money 'disappears' if it does turn out to be an elaborate scam). Did you people learn nothing from the Eve Galactic Banks scam? And with that I'm out. Amber, good luck fleecing the gullible - they deserve to lose every penny I agree with you, this whole thing looks very dodgy! Why are more people not demanding to see some proof before throwing their isk at this?! Meh, like they say; a sucker is born every minute... >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Inv3stor	Posted - 2007.09.09 03:30:00 - [123] I would be interested in investing with the publication of API keys
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.09 05:09:00 - [124] Oh.. my... ***ing.... GOD I just slaved through the most rediculously unreliable website ever for the past god knows how long. Guess where? EveOnline.com of course Scowls and sneers in disgust after her experience* Logging into the various NETI accounts to save their XMLs was a travesty. EVE-O rarely ever did the same thing twice, and rarely ever did it perform the proper function. I don't even know where to begin Log into one account, sends you back to another, have to keep logging into the same account over and over just to get to one single page, concord security errors, all sorts of BS compounded by InEve.net not being any more reliable either. Frozen uploads, blank character pages, etc. Oy, anyhow, 15 XMLs are up. Sighs heavily
Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:28:00 - [125] It does help to logout after each xml download from eve-o! Which 15 have you uploaded...it would help to know their names... Arithron
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.09 18:46:00 - [126] Originally by: Arithron It does help to logout after each xml download from eve-o! Which 15 have you uploaded...it would help to know their names... Arithron I think you missed the point, I navigated the site the way I was supposed, logging out every time, and when Ilogged into the next account it would do any number of things inaccurately. Such as logging into anyone of the last few accounts I passed through, making me log into the account again, going to the wrong page, giving me erroneous Concord messages, etc.
Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.09 19:01:00 - [127] So, what are you saying? You haven't uploaded 15 pilots for viewing at ineve.net? Or you can't download the xml from Eve-o? Or, have you uploaded 15 pilots but they have wrong xml data associated with them? Arithron
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.09 19:29:00 - [128] Oh jesus christ.. I said there's 15 XMLs uploaded, but it took like 5 minutes nearly to do each one because of the errors constantly popping up at both sites.
Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.09 19:34:00 - [129] Right, glad we got that cleared up! And the 15 names that now show the skills etc are....??? Arithron
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.09 19:49:00 - [130] Originally by: Arithron Right, glad we got that cleared up! And the 15 names that now show the skills etc are....??? Arithron Please for the love of god.. read the thread, they're on the front page rather boldly linked.

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.09 19:58:00 - [131] A question worth answering, received via EVE Mail Originally by: Shuang Bian 2007.09.09 19:43 I've noticed that you updated your thread with more information. Previously, you mentioned that a return of 200%+ was possible, now changed with 150%, which is reasonable as I expect that you must have a more accurate evaluation of its sale value. Before I ask my next question, I like to verify this. 50% (after completed sales) goes to everyone as dividends, a fraction goes to you as labour/effort costs, remaining percent goes to corp for future investment. Does the latter still remain owned by everyone i.e. they remain invested in your corp and its future ventures? What is the expected length of time before maturity? My reason for asking this is that I can expect to use the 231 mil to garner a similar amount of profit or more through trading. Also, is it possible to withdraw my 231 million and return the NETI shares? My purpose is to repay a debt to a friend and have some minor capital to continue some trading scheme. Cheers, Shuang That's right, profit estimates have been narrowed down a more specific scope of success now that more blanks have been filled in and NETI's financial future is a bit more predictable with it's margins laid out. The current estimates are that each 2.31M share will mature to 3.75M if all 50 characters are sold around 7.5B when they're fully trained. 50% is the corp's share + whatever unsold shares there are. Then 100% of the rest of the funds is split amongst all shareholders to fully fullfill the maximum value of their investment. Basically everyone will be "cashed out" when this venture comes to a close, as I will once again have the personal capital to spearhead any operationi I may choose, it would be imprudent for me to continue selling shares and divying out my hard earned profits. The length of time before maturity segments are reached is either just before November when current subscriptions start expiring, or in 3-4 months after that if we're able to raise the capital to continue training the fleet with a full fledged subscription expansion. If NETI were in a financial position able to do so, yes, I would love to be able to assist in the resorting of one's shares. Though this won't always be possible, such as a currently existing situation where the majority of NETI's capital is wrapped up in GTCs to expand the profit margin of total sitting capital. Additionally, there would likely be a fee/degradation of share worth if cashing out before investment fruitition, just like there is in all markets, real and fake. I have yet to finalize any thoughts on what it might be, the fee that is, could be shares getting rounded down to 2M, or -5% to 50% of their value, etc. What would be best to do is to sell your shares onwards to someone else in the community who would like a lil slice of something that'll eventually be worth 150% it's original price.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.09 20:38:00 - [132] At great expense to my personal sanity and the health of my right wrist and pointer finger, I uploaded the 10 (pilots 15 through 25) XMLs I wanted to today. It only took about 4 times longer than nessecary because the EVE-O site is such an inept unfunctional POS. Blotla & Edur or Edurne alone took like 20-30 tries to get into to save the XML to export.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.09 21:20:00 - [133] :::::Status Update::::: About 5 billion or so Isk has been converted thus far, so I bought 10x Capital Ship Skillbooks for 3.6B & put up a regional (Lonetrek) 300M Buy Order in Todaki just to test the waters on acquiring some of these required books at lesser prices.
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.10 00:10:00 - [134] Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 10/09/2007 00:15:58 Originally by: Mr. Orange Yes, just like when I challenged you to QUOTE me in the channel for attacking you on a personal level you failed to provide said quotes. You're only good at talking in circles. It's clear to anyone that has been following this thread and the other ones regarding you that this is indeed very shady. If you spent the time that you do replying to people in the manner that you are and instead posting a few random ineve.net char listings, maybe more people would believe in this venture and not see it as a long-term-con aka scam. So, instead of replying to me or anyone else for the next few 20-30 mins, why don't you provide some characters from your hulk fleet. Let's see the skill builds. First off...for the 10 months I've known Amber..she has yet to scam anyone. Second, I KNOW she has a Hulk fleet Third, from looking at your posts..all you do is troll and flame other people, so maybe you need to leave before I decide to war dec you.. Fourth...Amber...if you have time to post here you also need to make time to e-mail me J/K Edit: sorry for the offtopic post but you know how I get when you get attacked like that...plus its 3 am in the middle of nowhere. I'll buy some of yer stock. ------------------- Quote: Waah ! CCP ! I have to face targets that can actually fight back ! Unfair ! NERF !
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.09.10 01:50:00 - [135] Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 10/09/2007 00:38:57 Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 10/09/2007 00:30:50 Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 10/09/2007 00:29:19 Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 10/09/2007 00:15:58 Originally by: Mr. Orange Yes, just like when I challenged you to QUOTE me in the channel for attacking you on a personal level you failed to provide said quotes. You're only good at talking in circles. It's clear to anyone that has been following this thread and the other ones regarding you that this is indeed very shady. If you spent the time that you do replying to people in the manner that you are and instead posting a few random ineve.net char listings, maybe more people would believe in this venture and not see it as a long-term-con aka scam. So, instead of replying to me or anyone else for the next few 20-30 mins, why don't you provide some characters from your hulk fleet. Let's see the skill builds. First off...for the 10 months I've known Amber..she has yet to scam anyone. Second, I KNOW she has a Hulk fleet Third, from looking at your posts..all you do is troll and flame other people, so maybe you need to leave before I decide to war dec you.. Fourth...Amber...if you have time to post here you also need to make time to e-mail me J/K Edit: sorry for the offtopic post but you know how I get when you get attacked like that...plus its 3 am in the middle of nowhere. I'll buy some of yer stock. Reedit: For those of you too lazy to look at the front page...her current 25 loaded Alts are linked with skills into EVE-in or whatever its called...so LOOK THERE or better yet here is the current list so you lazy bums can have proof of what she is saying. BTW: I AM NOT HER ALT...get proof or stfu before you call me an alt: Agloolik Akitla Akkilokipok Akuvijarjuak Allatla Alluiqqaniq Anijo Aniuvak Anmana Anniu Anyu Aput Ok so its only 12-13 of them...but I don't have Ambers patience to link all of them..... I troll and flame people huh? Please show me these posts. What I've said in this thread is not trolling. Oh and you better post with your main or start a player corp if you intend to war-dec me! You being in Viziam and all... Oh and good on you Amber for finally posting the links to the skill builds. If you had done that from the start, you would have avoided a lot of this attention that you've got so far from people. Ryan NPC Corp Darkwolf, looking forward to you war-dec! The Pusher Man
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 01:54:00 - [136] Curtsies >^.^< Last I checked you're already due for shares if I can muster them appropriately out of muh own pocket in the coming months.
Victor Santiago Minmatar Republic Freight	Posted - 2007.09.10 02:03:00 - [137] Interesting to see how Arithron has shut his stupid mouth. Speaking of war decs...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 04:44:00 - [138] Originally by: Victor Santiago Interesting to see how Arithron has shut his stupid mouth. Speaking of war decs... Giggles chirpishly
Arithron	Posted - 2007.09.10 06:56:00 - [139] Its interesting to see who your alts and fellow scammers are Amber! I have reviewed all links to ineve.net, but you have made a couple small errors when posting the xml data from the xml editor.. Three of your characters HAVE EXACTLY the SAME skillpoints. You might want to re-edit this data. INEVE.net just takes a xml upload. It is possible (and very easy) to change the xml, which I believe Amber has done. Please check Xavier Hayes, on INEVE.net, who brought this to my attention...he has a missle skill called 'bunny launcher'! Sad thing is, Amber has not yet broken any EULA, as she is not trying to sell characters. This means she can take your isk and GTC and sell them on, making a tidy profit (RL cash or isk)...you may want to look at her statements made in Jita local to see her true intentions. Despite what she has stated, she has not answered this matter at all. Over 4000 players have read this thread, but only a small handful have invested. This should tell players thinking of investing something about the likely nature of this particular investment. I have always remained civil throughout this exchange. It saddens me that others set themselves lower standards. Arithron
DTMF Puzzleball Industries	Posted - 2007.09.10 09:54:00 - [140] Where do I get the bunny launcher skill? Makes me think of Adam West in Family Guy with his cat launcher : ) You know Amber often times people need to have things explained in a different way in order to understand about this or that. If you would have been nice to people and thier questions I am sure you would have been able to scam people out of a whole lot more isk. And why the hell switch dedicated miners into Cap Indust? Skill sets are totally different. If this is for real you should have just finished them as hulk pilots cashed out and started again with a new batch. At that point you would have proved your self and investment plans.

Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.10 11:13:00 - [141] Originally by: Mr. Orange I troll and flame people huh? Please show me these posts. What I've said in this thread is not trolling. Oh and you better post with your main or start a player corp if you intend to war-dec me! You being in Viziam and all... Oh and good on you Amber for finally posting the links to the skill builds. If you had done that from the start, you would have avoided a lot of this attention that you've got so far from people. Ryan NPC Corp Darkwolf, looking forward to you war-dec! Please...before you make yourself look more like a fool, look my name up on EvE...I haven't been playing for the past five months and my buddies from the last corp joined an Alliance. When I get back I will war-dec you, so don't be worried since it is going to happen at some point. Alrighty Amber...just lemme know when I get them ------------------- Quote: Waah ! CCP ! I have to face targets that can actually fight back ! Unfair ! NERF !
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:16:00 - [142] Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 10/09/2007 11:31:57 Please...before you make yourself look more like a fool, look my name up on EvE...I haven't been playing for the past five months and my buddies from the last corp joined an Alliance. When I get back I will war-dec you, so don't be worried since it is going to happen at some point. Here are your trolls and flames: And btw I believe that you and Arithron are the same person since the reason he posted is becuase all of the sudden someone posted about it.... Flame/Troll Just not looking at the first post for answers AKA: trolling So far all your posts on this thread have been made without looking for the answers first...next time take the time to do about 10-15 mins worth of research/investigation. Originally by: Arithron Its interesting to see who your alts and fellow scammers are Amber! I have reviewed all links to ineve.net, but you have made a couple small errors when posting the xml data from the xml editor.. Three of your characters HAVE EXACTLY the SAME skillpoints. You might want to re-edit this data. INEVE.net just takes a xml upload. It is possible (and very easy) to change the xml, which I believe Amber has done. Please check Xavier Hayes, on INEVE.net, who brought this to my attention...he has a missle skill called 'bunny launcher'! Sad thing is, Amber has not yet broken any EULA, as she is not trying to sell characters. This means she can take your isk and GTC and sell them on, making a tidy profit (RL cash or isk)...you may want to look at her statements made in Jita local to see her true intentions. Despite what she has stated, she has not answered this matter at all. Over 4000 players have read this thread, but only a small handful have invested. This should tell players thinking of investing something about the likely nature of this particular investment. I have always remained civil throughout this exchange. It saddens me that others set themselves lower standards. Arithron Please, show me which one of Amber's characters has the "bunny launcher skill". The fact that she has multiple accounts with the same amount of skill points can only mean one thing....OMG she started them on the same freaken day at nearly the same time....its not like INEVE gives the skillpoints AS they progress day by day...no you have to update it...so again show proof or stfu....and yes I must be an Amber alt...because obviously I am one of those guys that HAS to play as a woman in order get gullible guys to by my GTCs and stock. HAHAHHAHA this is priceless! First of all, my posts in this thread have not been trolls or flames, and the other link you posted of me saying that the guy should buy a face, maybe you should look at his ingame avatar picture; it has no face! It was clearly a har-har post you muppet! Second, I will just quote YOU regarding me being Arithron's alt, "get proof or stfu before you call me an alt" I look forward to you getting back to the game and your war-dec, I can't wait to keep you locked up in a station! Now, back to the character listing, some of those chars do in fact have the same skillpoints! The skills that are in "active" training that is, which only leads me to believe that Amber took a xml sheet and just edited in the names. (Very simple to fool ineve.net listings) So I'm back to the conclusion that this is a long-term-con scheme. The Pusher Man
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:30:00 - [143] Oh look here's another thread regarding Amber Leonne! OMG it must be all my alts in that thread aswell! Amber Leonne thread Hope you have enough isk for all the war-decs! The Pusher Man
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:44:00 - [144] Originally by: DTMF You know Amber often times people need to have things explained in a different way in order to understand about this or that. If you would have been nice to people and thier questions I am sure you would have been able to scam people out of a whole lot more isk. And why the hell switch dedicated miners into Cap Indust? Skill sets are totally different. If this is for real you should have just finished them as hulk pilots cashed out and started again with a new batch. At that point you would have proved your self and investment plans. As you may have noticed, it didn't matter how many times or what way things were described/presented, trolls just don't grasp the points where logic would be making them stfu. I have no tolerance for trolls and noninvestors, so that's that. As stated before and proven over half a year of public service, I make my Isk (and potentially lots of it, far more than is being sought via this IPO) by being a legitimate business woman in the community, to even think I would scam is simply illogical, ignorant, unfounded, shortsighted, etc. The skillsets are most definately NOT totally different, Mining Barges 5 is required for Rorquals, not to mention you're sitting amongst asteroid fields.... might as well have the luxury of the option to solo if your mining team isn't all logged on at the time. Start another fleet? Sure, maybe, wanted this one done right and out of the way first, then I'll reassess. It would be completely idiotic to go starting another fleet while I'm still working on the one. The funding and time just isn't there right now.
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:46:00 - [145] She must be teh uber haxor..I mean she was even able to change the character pic and everything.... I can't believe you Amber...you hax.... Get a life...oh and I hopr you have enough people to keep me locked into the station...wouldnt want you to lose too many ships ------------------- Quote: Waah ! CCP ! I have to face targets that can actually fight back ! Unfair ! NERF !
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 16:53:00 - [146] Originally by: Arithron Its interesting to see who your alts and fellow scammers are Amber! I have reviewed all links to ineve.net, but you have made a couple small errors when posting the xml data from the xml editor.. Three of your characters HAVE EXACTLY the SAME skillpoints. You might want to re-edit this data. INEVE.net just takes a xml upload. It is possible (and very easy) to change the xml, which I believe Amber has done. Please check Xavier Hayes, on INEVE.net, who brought this to my attention...he has a missle skill called 'bunny launcher'! Sad thing is, Amber has not yet broken any EULA, as she is not trying to sell characters. This means she can take your isk and GTC and sell them on, making a tidy profit (RL cash or isk)...you may want to look at her statements made in Jita local to see her true intentions. Despite what she has stated, she has not answered this matter at all. Over 4000 players have read this thread, but only a small handful have invested. This should tell players thinking of investing something about the likely nature of this particular investment. I have always remained civil throughout this exchange. It saddens me that others set themselves lower standards. Arithron ...Do you know anything about EVE at all? Skill points are tallied when skills are finished training or interupted and stopped. The vast majority of this fleet has been trained on the exact same skills and with similar scheduling. The only variance being that the 50 were created in 3 sit downs, not all at once, so there was a week or two where I was training Veldspar and some other refining skill on some while the other accounts caught up so I could be training the same skill on all 50 accounts at once, like it's currently doing. So then, you have your legitimate InEve.net XMLs, it's time for you and your alts to stfu and learn to deal. The fleet exists, they're progressing, and dip****s like you won't hold back NETI. We're already ontrack enough to release with the accounts trained for Capital Ships IV-V in about a month. We currently have the quantity of GTCs required to go further as well, it would just be a matter of plotting and planning the time used in those 3-4 months if the funds also hadn't been raised for the almighty capital industrial ship skillbooks. The thread will be rebuilt with all the refined layout required to display all information at once. Maybe next time you'll actually read it ;) Won't matter though, you're barred from investing and only investors will be allowed to post.
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:19:00 - [147] Amber, luv...you may want to stop...I am getting increasingly agitated with this crap and I have guard tonight which doesnt help with my **ed off state.... These foolish young souls don't understand what they are talking about or the ingenious planning you have gone through in order to get were you have currently are (owning 50 accounts ect.) Maybe one day these WoW-migrants will find a way to make as much isk as you and realize how easy, with a lot of time and patience it is to get their names slandered by the poor and immature. Talk to you later ------------------- Quote:** Waah ! CCP ! I have to face targets that can actually fight back ! Unfair ! NERF !
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.10 17:19:00 - [148] Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 10/09/2007 17:20:45 Damn double posts..... ------------------- Quote: Waah ! CCP ! I have to face targets that can actually fight back ! Unfair ! NERF !
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 21:21:00 - [149] Adds The Jakkle's investment to the logs Snuck that one in on meh did ya? Guys are lucky I study the wallet journal frequently lol, all too many unannounced investments
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 22:50:00 - [150] :::::Character Name-API User ID-API Code::::: Haukea-1868494-Aj2RpKfQHrFm7xENRqSKnPYPg7DwjSSrYOrM2JJ1nVHNgI9gFjfrRTmTnSWLaATV Hikuliaq-1868496-TzjKA7cU2l2XuhqlLoyXdoJ57jvsbHJLvc8dweUrr7MBHb0UUvw4TsfkXRuAzbmI Hiryla-1868498-mOEw1KBHAOdCH4Xhr1K7uuMXpymagPbWr1L4HB0IxWRFJu6Dbk0U3UfkV7kjBslj Iglopuk-1868499-ZrjSOwxYre18C2PgDTEMm5jsy5QztXBgFQPf6GdEqfYaEr1sRMkMmaMRZT26GWHQ Ijaruvak-1868501-l4tq3h3j3Aqr4EdpiCtlyUvFygLmsT3fN71Kr4NE1H6no9beF3xa4vsCk42EnOik Intla-1868504-TnsDYJRd9PaQTRfbjAvpXYx1ni62ymjlO30sR35e8R47ibJthfRm5I4ejEHfEKcw Isiriartaq-1868506-YUtTJI9S8G7FT8Hny9YU7gAo4tVDKmz3PzQCZyNp3seW8md0iKDpca8Tbfc8sNCN Ivuneq-1868507-ZnH0IK4TlqBLpCgpU3oZtHC1BRFvkjIoWXF89s4ymnMakkwlUB268QUTz7zTW7nd Jatla-1868509-7ueXR8SJMXStu8DAe2PEsn5gHx6WN9QhdQ9tHskZahnvSE60LLFV9Mrqx0RMSbPR Kaioglaq-1868510-n40q7WrNnbNLBmXoFBcb5fX4cVUnVR4srgc9kdJCTDrMIxSnxyFMhIiRpr28tQ96 Kalutoganiq-1868513-7nCCBcmVjp72q8TZH3jrn5akHqo7mQi8k93g2WhRxIaMi5vSPahBTCfRKq3dMecg Kanangniut-1868514-6UtQZu7cxfVGwkPGuEruwyXtdPmMWSL9pa6SnWTiJaBiGKN7kYXondgFfSNKcCUE Kaneq-1868516-uYyRd7waStvaieog2hMH9ZTTc9IYC7lE6nHhndmbmyIcfjoz0LP2LjeZvkGlFvv6 Kanevvluk-1868517-t7bKG9nydUkfSZ676e1HtLrxOpK57eBQYjvYnVtSpMbaxE8VRca5T1k8lXLblN43 Kassuq-1868519-BJ6F6RbcnwMWMGvl3OwgyFa1xeXkN7LUlTiVG2N1XNWnDB9alsU0SLAyyklfQBj9 Katakartanaq-1868521-Frr6b3tX5fzDfhZ4gB0pSZyPYRHoFUmfLR0bhAgcusryWQlVT3WTWenAYYXJcCnK Katiyana-1868522-aRpDeRaiJa1OpIRRwJYoCIyihSQmpCpyxrzltYiwbj561AitVPIZk2dxOqPAl91i Kavisilaq-1868524-4voT44deU3OWoWlXMIrGWCVRC0QM5nzBSqj2ZeMb4AbL6oqra9vsAJixcvr6Xozt Khuno-1868526-NOI9IV9UwiNG5fpIHyaGkhtGMIUjoLq2LmMQVffdB3D0RpmBPI20TF2QWnAmZCUq Kimoaqruk-1868527-QnZwZKzMlw63tIXguS0V3OOQJzhnBOfJ4cdGPefqqhQHDMdemOGlJQpQnKn055xJ Kinirtaq-1868530-kxIEy057PFSZAsrDPtBU4RnZL6ZCR9YnC6LoFOfgn2P7ozz1xSGFLOefCC2AJbTv Krikaya-1868532-dGJd5WFqC0Twa5BhA1tTiuqXBnxwl3gBDSRHZa8KE2jfaCnHbNo9yMi9IbNR0hzw Kripya-1868533-qc90yd8ozf1Ze5jXTHPv9slSEmDblDQFQBS92FeFTLYBRQ4FZJMuHeBjFp9QVbnD Kriplyana-1868535-9f8RHntQUzGZkTcj5RXfNh9E6e4P1lo2WhH1DzZXAxMDAFhLx1PEz4z7kDuzzjwu Kriyantli-1901598-xpu9KCASGDnfrYPLAGnmk4GoJGyFmHdW5fFs0nsUATBzFNMDNDRWAntMdo86TIdP

Obsidian Hawk FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.10 23:00:00 - [151] Hiya, just to let everyone know i am a happy investor of Amber's. Hey Amber can i get some more shares?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 23:28:00 - [152] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Hiya, just to let everyone know i am a happy investor of Amber's. Hey Amber can I get some more shares? Yeppers, will look into it hun, thanks for the scouting.
Kenneth Brackhaven Gallente Brackhaven Investments	Posted - 2007.09.10 23:38:00 - [153] I'm laughing so hard right now that I can't even articulate it. Arithron, go F yourself.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.10 23:48:00 - [154] I updated the InEve link posts with attached APIs, and also updated the ivnestor's list with new guys and reinvestments.
Sandjumper Jones	Posted - 2007.09.11 00:40:00 - [155] The problem with this investment is that Amber has multiple times publically stated (Jita local, during the high days of GTC buy/sell schemes) that she planes to use her isk to get out of real life poverty. With that in mind, all that isk will one day vanish, but at least investors will have the warm and fuzzy feeling of having really helped someone out big time. /nod
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 00:45:00 - [156] Originally by: Sandjumper Jones The problem with this investment is that Amber has multiple times publically stated (Jita local, during the high days of GTC buy/sell schemes) that she planes to use her isk to get out of real life poverty. With that in mind, all that isk will one day vanish, but at least investors will have the warm and fuzzy feeling of having really helped someone out big time. /nod O.o Now might not be a good time to mention plans for a second fleet then huh?
Kenneth Brackhaven Gallente Brackhaven Investments	Posted - 2007.09.11 01:42:00 - [157] Originally by: Sandjumper Jones The problem with this investment is that Amber has multiple times publically stated (Jita local, during the high days of GTC buy/sell schemes) that she planes to use her isk to get out of real life poverty. With that in mind, all that isk will one day vanish, but at least investors will have the warm and fuzzy feeling of having really helped someone out big time. /nod The last ditch effort of a troll who has been defeated utterly. Let's try and use something I like to call "logic" here. The fleet exists. This thread proves it. Why on earth would she "run" with the paltry sum that public investors have ponied up when the value of this fleet far exceeds anything already invested. With the names and APIs of all 50 characters posted for public view, she would never be able to unload them if she up and disappeared. Let me troll for you! "But she's gonna run with the money AFTER they're sold!" While certainly an option, I seriously doubt that if she could pull off this amount of profit once, that she wouldn't want to do it a second time. This is the part that requires the most trust with any investment. At some point, you have to sit back and have some faith. (For you wow rejects, faith is when you trust and believe someone to do the right thing when they could just as easily do the opposite. I know! Crazy ain't it?) If Amber had intended to "use her isk to get out of real life poverty" she would have done so a very long time ago. Her liquidating her GTC's to keep a fleet training sort of negates the probability that she intends to sell them for real money no? But then again, the Sandjumper Jones's of the world tend to ignore things that require more than 4 seconds of thought. The biggest problem that I have with you trolling half-wits is that you do little more than regurgitate warrantless, and ridiculous accusations that some other half-wit has vomited all over the forums. You have no opinion of your own and your knowledge of most topics extends no further than what you've gleaned from skimming a 15 page thread. The fleet exists. Amber has at least proven that today. I stand to either make a lot of money, or lose out on what is to me a very small sum of money. Personally, I hold faith in the former so that I can thoroughly enjoy the day that I call tell all of you naysayers to suck a big fat one.
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.09.11 02:37:00 - [158] Edited by: Craam Hustler on 11/09/2007 02:40:21 Originally by: Kenneth Brackhaven blah blah blah yap yap Short history on Amber and her possible intentions. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=514830 And in case she edits out her stuff to cover her tracks: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/514830 This thread contains her exact quotes. Read it from her own mouth. not mine. Now, as much as I dislike her, I can say, this IS NOT A SCAM. It's fully legitimate, and it's a good business, if you can afford the $1000+ to transfer characters, but when your in poverty, that's a little different. But I believe, that she will be using her own profits for RMT, one way or another.
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.09.11 03:48:00 - [159] Originally by: Craam Hustler Edited by: Craam Hustler on 11/09/2007 02:40:21 Originally by: Kenneth Brackhaven blah blah blah yap yap Short history on Amber and her possible intentions. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=514830 And in case she edits out her stuff to cover her tracks: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/514830 This thread contains her exact quotes. Read it from her own mouth. not mine. Now, as much as I dislike her, I can say, this IS NOT A SCAM. It's fully legitimate, and it's a good business, if you can afford the $1000+ to transfer characters, but when your in poverty, that's a little different. But I believe, that she will be using her own profits for RMT, one way or another. Thank you for posting this. So this whole char selling scheme is just a means to an end... ebay/RL $ Btw, I really got a good laugh at the part where she said that she was protecting the EvE community by keeping the GTC prices reasonable! Yes, buying other people's GTC for super low and then reselling them for super high markup! This amber person is a complete hypocrite and a liar. You know what's funny, I got involved with this whole thing when I informed some people in the Other Trade channel that they could get cheaper GTCs on the EvE O forums. While I was selling my ingame items I noticed a few people that couldn't afford the high priced GTCs, at which point I stepped in and it was then that out of nowhere Amber started attacking me with all kinds of crap in the channel. I was costing her business by informing players of lower prices on the forums, so much for looking out for the EvE community huh Amber! This whole thing keeps getting better and better! The Pusher Man
Sandjumper Jones	Posted - 2007.09.11 04:26:00 - [160] Edited by: Sandjumper Jones on 11/09/2007 04:32:18 Originally by: Kenneth Brackhaven The fleet exists. This thread proves it. Why on earth would she "run" with the paltry sum that public investors have ponied up when the value of this fleet far exceeds anything already invested. Kenneth, are you really that naive? Of course she will not run with the investment only. She will sell the fleet, and then run with the proceeds and the investment. Perhaps it will not be enough cash to run with the first fleet, she has already stated that she wants to create another one. What better front than one successful (to be seen really, lots of other folks had the same idea when the devs announced things) fleet, to build a second, bigger one, and then run. Amber has nothing else to do than to sit and wait till there's enough ISK around to make running worth it. Edit: I just had to edit this. Let's hear what happened to a good chunk of the GTC resale profits. Oh wait, no we can't discuss GM action on the forums. Ah well. Sufficie to say that Amber didn't have the opportunity to run earlier because of lack of funds. Between the GMs, and the Chinese lowering the real cash price of ISK by the minute (just check your spam evemail) even 30bn simply wasn't enough money to run. 30bn is like $1,500, that doesn't even buy you an outfit like Amber would like to wear. It needs to be much bigger, and you are helping to make it happen.

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 04:40:00 - [161] Originally by: Sandjumper Jones Perhaps it will not be enough cash to run with the first fleet, she has already stated that she wants to create another one. What better front than one successful (to be seen really, lots of other folks had the same idea when the devs announced things) fleet, to build a second, bigger one, and then run. Amber has nothing else to do than to sit and wait till there's enough ISK around to make running worth it. Woah, hun.. critical flaw, you missed a serious catch to your accusation... I won't be accepting public investment in future operations, it'll be personally funded babe, would be imprudent and logistically illogical to do otherwise. Secondly... I've had 200 thirdy day GTCs put into my hands by an alliance GTC agent one evening. He was paid for every single one of them on the spot. That was 40,000,000,000 or so Isk, all in one shot. This investment accounts for a longer duration of time and vastly more extensive labor for just about the same alloted intake of valued assets..... Me-thinks you know not whom you judge. One literally can't post enough GTCs at once for it to be worth me stealing them, that's just how I operate, and it's why I continue to have thousands of clients and why trolls can never drag me down, no matter how many there are or how overwhelmingly redudant/ignorant they come off. PS, your edit is simply **ing ******, I gave you too much credit with your first post hoping maybe you were being semi sarcastic, I'm saddened you turned out to be another idiotic fearmongering twit with no sense of perception as to what's actually going on here. Consider yourself barred from this thread.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.11 06:41:00 - [162] Edited by: Ricdic on 11/09/2007 06:41:25 Amber, you have a few diehard followers, whether they be alts, gullible or just stupid. (referring to those who followed blindly before evidence was shown) I respect and appreciate that you have shown API's and the likes on all of your alts. Are these the full or limited API's? I only ask as posting their full API would depreciate their value for anyone looking to buy in the future, as all operations running through that character, plus the person's request to keep the character hidden from his/her main would be thwarted. Having said that, I don't know if a character transfer removes the API information so I could be incorrect. Anyway, the information you have posted should have been done from the start. It has now determined that your business plan is valid and is being enforced. It obviously doesn't validate your intentions when the product matures but this is obviously an inherent risk in investing in any entity. I guess there are generally two portions in an audit process. The first is to ensure that business is actually being run and not a front. The second is to ensure that shareholders are paid correctly as stocks mature. The biggest problem with your whole plan from the start and the resulting 5 pages of what you call trolling, and what most market people call securing and ensuring their investments, is that you didn't fulfil either of the pre-requisites of an investment. From the start you had a reputation that was questionable, ie: Pro's * Great GTC history Con's * constant RL isk to $$ valuations quoted and screenshots * no true evidence of a working business * Agression towards prospective customers Either way, you have shown you have a legitimate business. The first con will shadow your operations for quite some time I think, especially the quoted material regarding Katrina and the likes that has just been brought to light. So, I am not trolling your thread, I am congratulating you on showing proof that it does exist but of course judgement day will be when the payout occurs (or doesn't). This is something that can't be 'proven' by you through evidence, much like people who have invested in me in the past have been required to use personal judgement when doing so. I think this is where your professionalism, attitude, and history is taken into effect. All 3 of those have been questionable so you still may have problems getting your investors, but as above you have proven a legitimate business so definetly improved your standing with prospective customers. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.09.11 10:36:00 - [163] Edited by: Craam Hustler on 11/09/2007 10:44:26 Originally by: Mr. Orange This amber person is a complete hypocrite and a liar. You know what's funny, I got involved with this whole thing when I informed some people in the Other Trade channel that they could get cheaper GTCs on the EvE O forums. While I was selling my ingame items I noticed a few people that couldn't afford the high priced GTCs, at which point I stepped in and it was then that out of nowhere Amber started attacking me with all kinds of crap in the channel. I was costing her business by informing players of lower prices on the forums, so much for looking out for the EvE community huh Amber! Why people don't realize this already is beyond me. Originally by: Ricdic Stuff Why this information on her intentions is important, if CCP deems her to be performing massive RMT, they may decide to take action against her, and her accounts, before she finishes selling off the characters for ISK. Which would result in the entire field of unsold alts, getting banned. And that would mean, less (or no) return on the investments. You also have to take into account that, a flood of 50 characters would drive down the character prices, so it would be preferable to space out the sales for the characters. Anyone who disagrees with her, or tries to call her out, she deems as a troll. The quotes by her are real, and she never denied them being her quotes, just that they were "out of context", which is of course, BS. Why would anyone who is in poverty spend so much time in a game instead of a job? Why would anyone in poverty spend $1000+ for ISK in a game?
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.09.11 11:27:00 - [164] Edited by: Craam Hustler on 11/09/2007 11:53:47 Originally by: Ricdic I respect and appreciate that you have shown API's and the likes on all of your alts. Are these the full or limited API's? I only ask as posting their full API would depreciate their value for anyone looking to buy in the future, as all operations running through that character, plus the person's request to keep the character hidden from his/her main would be thwarted. Having said that, I don't know if a character transfer removes the API information so I could be incorrect. Transferring the character would change it's userid, so it would likely have a new API key/userid combo when transfered to a new owner. With that said, she provided the API keys, but not the userid's. Therefore, the disclosure of the keys, is useless, and they could be total garbage. I wouldn't take them as proof of anything. Originally by: Amber Leonne Reminder that offtopic posts will be removed according by moderators. Keep your inquiries on topic and within the restraints of the existing parameters. IE, you have no right to ask me "how" I'm paying for the transfer fees, obviously. Rest assured, they will all be paid in full, even if I have to sell my stock in CTRP (A real stock, not playtoy shares in EVE lol). Hmm... a Chinese stock... how fitting Originally by: Arithron Three of your characters HAVE EXACTLY the SAME skillpoints. You might want to re-edit this data. INEVE.net just takes a xml upload. It is possible (and very easy) to change the xml, which I believe Amber has done. Please check Xavier Hayes, on INEVE.net, who brought this to my attention...he has a missle skill called 'bunny launcher'! Solution to this would be to post the characters to a public site that uses the API key, and not the XML file. If someone has one already.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 16:41:00 - [165] There's a character limit, the lists on page 5 and 6 had userids as well as APIs. Soo... umm suck it? Quote: Con's * constant RL isk to $$ valuations quoted and screenshots * no true evidence of a working business * Agression towards prospective customers The quotes are nothing but out of context supposition, which has been clarified repeatedly and will no longer be addressed due to it being invalidated over twenty times, easily. O.o Riiight They're not prospective customers, I know who's gonna invest and who's just full of *, and so far my predictions throughout NETI going public, have been 100% spot on in every single facet of variation and subject matter. Poor Craamy, it doesn't matter how boldly you type a lie, it's still a lie, a meager farce you're trying to pass off when we all know god damned well that you came into the GTC market with nothing but malicious intents aimed at destroying stability for anyone. Where the does a ** like you get off trying to pass judgement lmao? PS, you gonna get racistly inclined now because I choose a particular stock in the real world? You're a sad little man, always have been, apparently always will be unfortunately. Barred.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:00:00 - [166] Originally by: Amber Leonne The quotes are nothing but out of context supposition, which has been clarified repeatedly and will no longer be addressed due to it being invalidated over twenty times, easily. Yes, but that was direct Jita logging right there in one of them. Talking about such a thing is fine. But you have advised here that you don't have a computer, just as you advised in the Jita post that you didn't have a computer. That would lead me to believe that the Katrina story is indeed correct, and this is a way to sell out to help RL circumstances. Either way, we are detracting from the point I was trying to make. Quote:* O.o Riiight I was showing the pro's and con's before you showed that evidence, and how now that you have shown it, it strengthens your idea and business plan. Quote:* They're not prospective customers, I know who's gonna invest and who's just full of ***, and so far my predictions throughout NETI going public, have been 100% spot on in every single facet of variation and subject matter. Quite wrong. I have been watching you for quite some time and have been intrigued by your operation. The plethora of evidence showing your support and need for RL isk has been quite detracting, but the main nail in the coffin for me has been your attitude towards those asking questions. Customer service is in no way your forte. You should have had someone who didn't have such high stress levels handle your PR. Anyway, if you had read my post properly, you may have noticed I was giving you props for providing that information, but i think you took it as a troll post and dismissed all the nicer stuff. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:15:00 - [167] Originally by: Amber Leonne Total Shares: 50,000 Share Price: 2.31M Million Isk per unit Projected Returns: Maximum Maturement will yield 7.5Bx50 /2 /50K for a return of 3.75M, thus, 150%+ Returns! Problems here: 7.5B is nowhere near the price you are going to get for a single one of these characters on the market, let alone the price you get when you flood the market with 50 of them. This is simply rediculous. The whole premise your profit is based on is wrong. You aren't likely to get half of this. If you pay back 3.75m, the return is not 3.75m, it is 1.44m, which is a 62% return, not 150%+. Originally by:* Amber Leonne * Projected Returns: No matter what the sell price of the characters ends up being, it will more than alot for the potential of a few hundred percent returns on the total invested assets involved in their development. The fraction of the incoming client purchases will go directly to the corp for future investments and of course because of the labor fees involved etc. The remaining mass of 25-50% (estimated), of the potential Quarter TRILLION Isk worth of the fleet, will be split 100% between all shareholders via a dividend payment that occurs each time a character is sold. I will alter the fraction the corporation receives, as need be, to always ensure that sharehold are !at least! doubling their investments. A few hundred percent now? By your own incorrect claim it was 150%, and by your own exaggerated numbers it was 62%. If you are going to bull**, at least do it consistantly. Originally by:** Amber Leonne Amber Leonne's Investment & Shares: 20,839 Shares (Held on Kainen Marek) Total Combined Assets Invested: 48,137,759,000 Isk 1) GTCs - 87x 90 day GTCs valued @34,800,000,000 Isk Total 2) Implants - 50x +3 "Basic" Implant Sets, valued @5,000,000,000 Isk Total So, 34,800,000,000 / 87 = 400m isk. You are valuing your own GTC contributions at 400m isk, even though you never paid this much for them. You are also valuding your implant sets at 100m each when the market value is only 45m. Inflating the numbers with regards to the assets you personally invested is just corrupt. Originally by: Amber Leonne NOTE: Investments can be made in forms other than Isk. Skillbooks & 90/100 day GTCs are also required to fullfill the fleet's future maturement. For example, we currently need Capital Ship Skillbooks & 90 day GTCs, both rated at about 360M which would yield you an even 150 Shares for your investment. 150 x 2.31 = 347m. Wait a minute, you valued your own GTCs at 400m but investors only get 347m credit for theirs? That is rubbish. Originally by: Amber Leonne External Shareholders Total Holdings: 15,029,950,000 Isk Worth / 6,596 Shares Last Wolf: 1 Remainder Withheld Due to Known Inactivity - GTCs - 3x 90 day GTCs valued @975,000,000 Ok, another 90d GTC situation, this time only 325m each? Damn the prices on these are dropping fast! Originally by: Amber Leonne Reminder that offtopic posts will be removed according by moderators. Keep your inquiries on topic and within the restraints of the existing parameters. IE, you have no right to ask me "how" I'm paying for the transfer fees, obviously. Rest assured, they will all be paid in full, even if I have to sell my stock in CTRP (A real stock, not playtoy shares in EVE lol). Off topic posts meaning ones you dont like? When you posted in the market forum, which is the correct place for this type of discussion, you asked the mods to lock your thread after you didn't like what people had to say. Censorship is bad, mkay? Investors have every right to ask you the details about the business you are asking them to invest in. You have real life stock? That doesn't fit in very well with your poverty story. Originally by: Amber Leonne Hint hint Whomps with a clue-by-four Get it yet? Ad homenim. Very classy. If you can't contradict their logic, insult them!
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:18:00 - [168] Originally by: Amber Leonne Every Isk invested by shareholders, has to be paid back by me @200%+. Not exactly easy to do 200%+ now, wow! Your fake returns are really skyrocketing, although I guess it is easy to see why with your constantly shrinking GTC values. Are you saying what you want to do isn't easy for you, then why would we invest? Originally by: Amber Leonne If I double the stock, change the price, etc, I'd reimburse either additional stocks or remainder of Isk etc until you still had the same value's worth invested. What? Do you have any clue what you are actually doing at all? Originally by: Amber Leonne 5.5m right now, though I'm thinking about adding total current invested assets to the total needed and finalizing a stable price so things don't go wonky like with real stocks. I just don't have the tools available to baloon share worth like the real market does, obviously. Tools to baloon a share's worth? What are you smoking? Quote: Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but in the GTC WTB thread here Amber does advise that he can convert the $1000 transfer fee into $15,000 through GTC conversions. So please, tell me wtf is going on here. That was a chatlog I posted of her bradding in Jita. Anyone who thinks she plans on doing anything else is just being ignorant. Since she is merely a metagamer, I don't see what her incentive is to pay back the isk of investors. Originally by: Amber Leonne Feel free to write up the cost of GTCs to make this much Isk, then think before you speak. Let's say 375M per 90 day GTC, that's 800 GTCs for 300B Isk, @ $30K USD lol? Versus 1K in transfer fees. Discussion over. Discussion Over. Originally by: Amber Leonne Groans and edits/adds because of the sheer idiocy at hand that needs addressing Again, insulting people as a method of avoiding their questions. Classy. Originally by: Amber Leonne I don't respond to alt trolls cordially, I'm not that pretentious. They mean to do harm, well I'll deliver kicks to the groin right back. I treat actual investors with the respect they diserve. You insult Ricdic and Ray McCormack in this thread, 2 very trusted and respected members of the investment community, each running public corporations with a combined net worth of over 150b isk. Both of their reputations is untarnished and yet you insult them. That is disgusting. Originally by: Amber Leonne You honestly think someone named after some EVE Banking venture should be trusted? It says enough right there. See above, ignorance. Originally by: Sandjumper Jones The problem with this investment is that Amber has multiple times publically stated (Jita local, during the high days of GTC buy/sell schemes) that she planes to use her isk to get out of real life poverty. With that in mind, all that isk will one day vanish, but at least investors will have the warm and fuzzy feeling of having really helped someone out big time. /nod Real life poverty? Oh the hurricane Katrina story still going? How long ago was that again? I tell you it was amazing that after going through that disaster that she was able to save electronic copies of her semi-nude photos to lure eve players with. They looked exactly like ones on suidicegirls.com, without the logo! You'll also see that she says she can easily pay $1000, and has real life stock investments. Where is the poverty exactly? Ionia EGSEx Stock Broker with over 50b isk in transactions and currently over 15b in assets helf for clients. CEO of LMTA, a 20b isk public corporation. CEO of FRPB, a public corporation with over 80b isk invested. People, in case you haven't realised, everyone who is even remotely connected to the public investment side of EVE thinks this is a really, really, really, bad investment. Come to the channel EGSEx or the market discussion forums if you want to learn about real investments.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:37:00 - [169] The fact that you manage to flame Ray AND Ricdic in one thread is just as bad as General Starscreams really bad IPO attempts. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:46:00 - [170] Originally by: LaVista Vista The fact that you manage to flame Ray AND Ricdic in one thread is just as bad as General Starscreams really bad IPO attempts. Yeah, because they have money, they must be immune to the consequences of their idiocy?!

Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:50:00 - [171] Originally by: Ricdic Quite wrong. I have been watching you for quite some time and have been intrigued by your operation. The plethora of evidence showing your support and need for RL isk has been quite detracting, but the main nail in the coffin for me has been your attitude towards those asking questions. Customer service is in no way your forte. You should have had someone who didn't have such high stress levels handle your PR. Her attitude/stress level is much like somebody who IS in poverty trying to get ahead, anyone who potentially gets in her way, watch out!
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:56:00 - [172] Originally by: Amber Leonne Yeah, because they have money, they must be immune to the consequences of their idiocy?! Nope, not at all. Which is why we don't post half-baked business proposals (read scams) like you do. And we are the consequences of your stupidity, deal with it. Proud steward of more public ISK than Motivated Prophet. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:58:00 - [173] Originally by: Ricdic Customer service is in no way your forte. You should have had someone who didn't have such high stress levels handle your PR. Anyway, if you had read my post properly, you may have noticed I was giving you props for providing that information, but i think you took it as a troll post and dismissed all the nicer stuff. I didn't take your post as trolling, that's why i actually responded to it. PS, try actually contacting my customers and asking about the actuality of my service provisions. This thread is NOT my customers. The next one will be exclusively as it will have posting restrictions stated quite clearly right at the top. Stares blankly at Ionia Seeing as how the first sentence of your post is simply wrong, and the rest of the post appears to follow suit on the subject, permit me to stop the most meager quick scan and skip to the next post. Sorry. PS, Last Wolf demanded I not pay him more, we had a relationship, thanks by, keep your assumptions to yourself, you've got a track record of going in the wrong direction and slamming into walls hun. Glances through second post Rotflmao, still a pontificating ***** arent'cha? Hollar at yer gurl when you get a clue
Grobie Caldari Trolltech Ltd.	Posted - 2007.09.11 18:00:00 - [174] Yeah I saw the chatlog in that GTC thread (kinda sure it wasnt doctored as the theme was completely unreleated to this bond offering) Dissing know market dudes who have done good (so far) for the share community is not the best idea either. This business idea smells of scam 7 miles against the wind (hui, 1000$ transfer fee!). When that "bondthing" dabbles with RL money exchange somehow, I hope CCP gets out the ban hammer. This soon-to-be-scam will just let other serious IPOs/bond offers look bad (kinda EIB with less volume, but same bad publicity style for a market which needs any support it can get) -- </Life>
Janus Veyron BB Industries Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.09.11 18:01:00 - [175] Originally by: Amber Leonne Originally by: LaVista Vista The fact that you manage to flame Ray AND Ricdic in one thread is just as bad as General Starscreams really bad IPO attempts. Yeah, because they have money, they must be immune to the consequences of their idiocy?! Generally if someone has a lot of money, they generally know what they are talking about when it comes to someone else making money.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 18:08:00 - [176] Originally by: Grobie Yeah I saw the chatlog in that GTC thread (kinda sure it wasnt doctored as the theme was completely unreleated to this bond offering) Dissing know market dudes who have done good (so far) for the share community is not the best idea either. This business idea smells of scam 7 miles against the wind (hui, 1000$ transfer fee!). When that "bondthing" dabbles with RL money exchange somehow, I hope CCP gets out the ban hammer. This soon-to-be-scam will just let other serious IPOs/bond offers look bad (kinda EIB with less volume, but same bad publicity style for a market which needs any support it can get) Two way street babe, two way street. I'm the most known and trusted merchant in my business segment too.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.11 18:08:00 - [177] Originally by: Amber Leonne This thread is NOT my customers. Just remember, you are advertising yourself to every person that joins this thread semi-interested in purchasing your shares. You need to uphold yourself in a professional manner and treat a prospective shareholder (not me, but new people clicking that link) with respect, answering their questions and concerns without dismissing them. So customer service definetly does play a major part in offering parts of your business to the public. The atitude, the hostility, the name calling. None of it is welcomed from the CEO of a public corporation or entity. You need to get beyond that. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 18:24:00 - [178] Sorry Ridic, I refuse to be pretentiously "amiable", I find that to be one of the ultimate acts of deceit. My investors know that I'm hottempered because I'm honest and speak from the heart and have a brain that pumps along just as hard to match. I've been a stellar business partner to anyone who's ever worked me since the day I installed EVE Online (Once I figured out how to undock). I will reiderate a point I made before, I'm here to share the wealth of this operation, preferably only amongst those I would consider valued clients, friends. They know the facts, they know me, it's that simple. Alongside that, ALL the "proof" ever requested has been provided, and your so called "customers" continued trolling and flinging accusations of XML editing lmao? I mean, christ, at what point do YOU think ***hats like that are going to invest lol? Once again, simple, I don't have to sell my soul to sell my shares. Those who buy shares and partake in the fruition of NETI will reap the rewards if only out of gratitude. I'm an egallatarian ultra-unification minded carebear, I just have claws. So can we all just shut up for a day or two so I can get back to work here? I've got plans to reformat and reconsolidate all of NETI's data into one concise congruent spread.
Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:44:00 - [179] Originally by: Amber Leonne There's a character limit, the lists on page 5 and 6 had userids as well as APIs. Soo... umm suck it? You fail. The userid is a number. I am not talking about Character Names, or Character ID's.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:20:00 - [180] Originally by: Craam Hustler Originally by: Amber Leonne There's a character limit, the lists on page 5 and 6 had userids as well as APIs. Soo... umm suck it? You fail. The userid is a number. I am not talking about Character Names, or Character ID's. You still don't pay attention very well do you? I had full blown lists with NAME-USER ID #-API #, all listed at the end of page 5 and the beginning of page 6. I edited them down to reduce the heave of spam considering I updated the forward page to include names, ineve links, and APIs, all at once. The only other option is to completely remove the InEve links to make room within the character limit for the user ID #'s, but then you'll of course start crying again about that. The best case scenario I can think of in my head, would be linking 50 character for sale threads, but creating them all at once is problematic in a multitude of ways to say the least, in addition, they're simply not available for purchase yet without finalized data and training.

Craam Hustler Gallente ReTech	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:02:00 - [181] So make multiple posts with the information. Regardless, that doesnt really matter. I don't think she's performing a scam, just what she's doing with the profits is less than honorable.
Victor Santiago Minmatar Republic Freight	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:15:00 - [182] Originally by: Craam Hustler So make multiple posts with the information. Regardless, that doesnt really matter. I don't think she's performing a scam, just what she's doing with the profits is less than honorable. Spoken like a true hypocrite.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 21:42:00 - [183] Originally by: Craam Hustler So make multiple posts with the information. Regardless, that doesnt really matter. I don't think she's performing a scam, just what she's doing with the profits is less than honorable. I do, 2 posts, 50 disivisble by two does nicely at 25 per, as already indicated. if anyoe doesn't recall I have a bit of an obsessive issue with tidy symetry etc. Splitting the lists further than 2 posts is illogical, doing 5 is imprudent.
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:09:00 - [184] Originally by: Amber Leonne I've been a stellar business partner to anyone who's ever worked me since the day I installed EVE Online That is a blatant lie. In the short time of our association oh so long ago, you were nothing but a waste of time and energy. You brought me into disrepute by association, and you systematically broke your word. Even after I was rid of you, and I continued in business with people that you set me up with, they stole from me, and not a small amount.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:36:00 - [185] Rotflmao@ Ionia, that's right hun, blame everyone for your problems except me. You got into business with them, I merely invited them into a conversation channel. Is this where your unjustified bitterness stems from? Do you keep trying to drudge up as many halfassed attacks against me as possible because you couldn't secure your own assets and you let someone jack your capital ship business? PLEASE, lmao, take responsibility for your own actions, I never even got passed the investment stage with you because you're an irritable two faced ***** who's only after other's wallets.
Janus Veyron BB Industries Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:48:00 - [186] I'm pretty new to the game but I can instantly apply 'Diminshing returns' to this IPO. Sorry but when you flood a market with a product so much, you kill that market. And scam. And meta.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:12:00 - [187] Originally by: Janus Veyron I'm pretty new to the game but I can instantly apply 'Diminshing returns' to this IPO. Sorry but when you flood a market with a product so much, you kill that market. And scam. And meta. No, no, and ? It's a brand new thing that everybody wants, 50 pilots isn't going to break the bank hun, and it's not going to kill the market if you don't alot for price variance. There's a set fee, it's either paid or the coveted character isn't obtained. Scam? Wow, you're about a month too far behind to be tossing that accusation around. Try reading, it's all there. Dont' forget though, when you're done reading, neglect to hit post reply, it hasn't done well by you so far, and your opinion does nothing but create a flood.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:26:00 - [188] Heh NETI grew signifigantly with two investments taking the #1 and #3 slots in the rankings. The #3 investor also has further investment plans for the near future which'll take him to #1 . At this point, we need just about 10 billion iskerz in two weeks, and we're easily worth 40 billion right now ya'll, just gotta keep converting GTCs and/or intaking more straight Isk.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:59:00 - [189] Added a few other last minute investors. I'm outy for the night ya'll, gotta rest my arthrtic hands Think I'll watch a movie or two and veg. Gonna be gone tommarrow, girl's night out with bro's GF, and possibly our all too freespirited mama
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.12 01:02:00 - [190] Originally by: Amber Leonne Added a few other last minute investors. I'm outy for the night ya'll, gotta rest my arthrtic hands Think I'll watch a movie or two and veg. Gonna be gone tommarrow, girl's night out with bro's GF, and possibly our all too freespirited mama OH! Adds real quick Dagnabbit, meant to post this too, forgot while typing. We got another 10 Capital Ship skillbooks. Outy, bye ya'll, see ya Thurseday mainly'ish!

Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.12 15:26:00 - [191] Edited by: Ki Tarra on 12/09/2007 15:33:27 I am sorry if I missed it somewhere in this huge thread, but could you please spell out exactly how you intend to cover the real life costs of your venture. I have seen several other people ask the question, but I must have missed the clean clear answer. Trading those 50 characters will cost you $1000 in real cash. What are your intentions for putting up that cash. I can think of a few viable options, but I don't see why any investor would want to put into your venture without that fundamently part of the business plan covered. - Do you plan to dump all of the characters onto the market at once? If so what assuances can you give investors that you can and will spend $1000 to complete the venture? - Do you plan to phase the character trades? If you were to phase the trading off of characters over the span of 1 year your costs would only be ~$84/month. A more reasonable sum, but still requires some assurance that you are willing to invest that real money. This plan would have the added advantage of not saturating the market with your characters. However, you have not advertised this as your business plan. - Do you plan to "trade" the characters to yourself and raise the money to make the payout via yourown farming opperations? This elimiates the problem of real life expenses completely. However, again this is not the plan that you have set forth for your investors. - Do you plan to fund the character transfers through ISK->GTC->RMT? While on the darkside, this might not be technecally illegal (that is for the GM's to decide) such a plan carries some significant risks, as you are certainly aware. If this is your intentions, then you should state so openly. Some investors will lose interest because of their moral concerns. Some would lose interest because of the risk involved. However, you would problably still find investors willing to contribute. Atleast then, all those who invested would know what they are getting themselves into. - Do you intend to provide usernames and passwords to the character buyers thereby breaking the EULA? Or rather causing the purchasers of the characters to break the EULA as it is not a violation to give away your password, just for someone else to use it. Depending on how such a venture unfolded, CCP might choose to take the ill gotten returns back from investors if you were to payout a dividend on those transactions. Then again, CCP might simply ban the traded character and leave the ISK alone. But the investors should be informed so that they can make their own desision on the risks. I am not trying to troll your post. I just want a clear and plan answer as to what your intentions are. This would in my mind, be a vital part of the business plan: the key stone upon which the complete success or utter failure of your plan would depend. Edit - added fifth business senario. ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Rectal Trauma	Posted - 2007.09.13 01:19:00 - [192] Asked and answered on the first page. I doubt you'll get more of an answer than this. Originally by: Amber Leonne snip... Rest assured, they will all be paid in full, even if I have to sell my stock in CTRP (A real stock, not playtoy shares in EVE lol).
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 04:51:00 - [193] Originally by: Ki Tarra Edited by: Ki Tarra on 12/09/2007 15:33:27 I am sorry if I missed it somewhere in this huge thread, but could you please spell out exactly how you intend to cover the real life costs of your venture. I have seen several other people ask the question, but I must have missed the clean clear answer. No I cannot, it's against forum regulations, as it's already been stated. All you need to know: Compare the cost of selling the fleet and gaining indicated amounts of Isk, to buying GTCs and selling them for the same amount of Isk. The trade off is quite evident once one's done the math. Glances down the post Selling them all at once, selling them accross a spanse, no different financially, staggering the sales would complicate paying my investors, and that I won't tolerate, so I'll just take the 1K $ "hit" all around the same month of sales. Not even sure I really comprehend the next question, nor do I wish to. Translated, the fleet's never undocked, if they haven't yet, kinda speaks to the fact of my negligable interest in said proposal. 4th, actually no, it's not for the GMs to decide. GTCs are paid for outside of the game with real cash, they are not beholden to fruity lil MMO company laws which imply 100% ownership of all things within. Remember, GTCs are external and real, not digital phantoms. That's just advisement/information, not an answer one way or another mind you, just helping get facts straight as usual. O.o No, why the ** would I trade in a manner which bolsters insecurity? The character transfer feature is beloved by me, no one's** getting my accounts, I named them all too painstakingly and I have other characters on them for my GTC business. I didn't take your posts as trolling, just misinformed in their nature, though most certainly not to the degree others have struck with lol...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 04:52:00 - [194] Originally by: Rectal Trauma Asked and answered on the first page. I doubt you'll get more of an answer than this. Originally by: Amber Leonne snip... Rest assured, they will all be paid in full, even if I have to sell my stock in CTRP (A real stock, not playtoy shares in EVE lol). Thanks hun, close enough. By the way, that stock has been sold actually. Made about 10% profit, but withdrawing it was a cluster**** Le'sih.
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.13 10:27:00 - [195] You really don't think 50 pilots won't saturate the market.. wow Okay.
Grampus8	Posted - 2007.09.13 14:31:00 - [196] Originally by: Letias You really don't think 50 pilots won't saturate the market.. wow Okay. I very much doubt it'll get that far. The characters are going to be eBayed imho. The op even makes references to making real life $$$$ from her little ventures. Don't be suprised if there's a massive outcry over this by ripped-off investors when the time comes for amber to cash in.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:32:00 - [197] Edited by: Ki Tarra on 13/09/2007 15:33:17 Originally by: Amber Leonne No I cannot, it's against forum regulations, as it's already been stated. All you need to know: Compare the cost of selling the fleet and gaining indicated amounts of Isk, to buying GTCs and selling them for the same amount of Isk. The trade off is quite evident once one's done the math. How can a business plan be against forum rules, but within the EULA? A plan like that sounds questionable at best. Given your defense of the ISK->GTC->RTM path, I am guessing that is your business plan. If so, when was this outlawed on the forums? Last I heard it was an at-your-own-risk venture, but still technecally within the EULA, and not against forum rules. ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:01:00 - [198] Amber, you don't need investment to cover this. You should have more than enough personal game time codes and wealth to continue on your own. Additionally, since your profit margin is so high you could just sell some characters to raise the isk you need. It's your choice to raise the isk by investment but if you're paying out the amount stated, wouldn't you be better off by selling a few characters to cover the required isk? Are Rorqual pilots really going to be worth all that much? It's a risky venture due not only to the variable value of characters but also to the scamability and the fact that I'm sure CCP is watching your account like a hawk for misconduct. You've been banned before and will likely be treated more harshly next time (even if it's just for swearing again), which increases the risk involved with giving you isk. I won't be investing but please don't think I am just trying to dissuade potential investors. I'm being realistic and honest. Good luck with the scheme if it's entirely legitimate. You're going to have a hard time convincing people of that but I'm sure you'll find investment somewhere. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:27:00 - [199] Originally by: Ki Tarra Edited by: Ki Tarra on 13/09/2007 15:33:17 Originally by: Amber Leonne No I cannot, it's against forum regulations, as it's already been stated. All you need to know: Compare the cost of selling the fleet and gaining indicated amounts of Isk, to buying GTCs and selling them for the same amount of Isk. The trade off is quite evident once one's done the math. How can a business plan be against forum rules, but within the EULA? A plan like that sounds questionable at best. Given your defense of the ISK->GTC->RTM path, I am guessing that is your business plan. If so, when was this outlawed on the forums? Last I heard it was an at-your-own-risk venture, but still technecally within the EULA, and not against forum rules. 8. No posting of personal information Please respect the privacy of other Eve players and do not give out information such as phone numbers and addresses (and obviously financial information).
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:28:00 - [200] Originally by: Grampus8 Originally by: Letias You really don't think 50 pilots won't saturate the market.. wow Okay. I very much doubt it'll get that far. The characters are going to be eBayed imho. The op even makes references to making real life $$$$ from her little ventures. Don't be suprised if there's a massive outcry over this by ripped-off investors when the time comes for amber to cash in. Then your opinion is worthless as you have no semblance of capacity to process logic.

Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:18:00 - [201] I can understand that the 1k would be negatted if you generate enough personal profit, like if you got enough profit at the end of the day to purchase $1k in time codes with isk meaning you would pretty much never have to pay for eve again or at least a long time. But what you continue to say is that 50 characters WILL sell at 7.5 billion each regardless of demand, Would you be willing to tell investors if you even have any interest in these characters yet (buyers lined up) or will you wait until they are finished then as you said not slowly sell them to maximise proft so you ave to sell them all at once. Really i dont see how you haven't comprehended or your investors havent that the flood of identical characters will not make the prices plummet. One last thing, where does this figure of 7.5 billion come from, i have seen roq capable pilots selling for under 5 bill on forums, so to me this either seems overconfident in its goals or in some way bending the rules of eve.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:40:00 - [202] Edited by: Amber Leonne on 13/09/2007 21:41:27 Oh absolutely, where do you think I make these statements from? All of my economic supositions are backed on experiences and facts. Every other day I'm hounded by PMs for these characters, and they're not even publicly on the market yet. Inquiries have exceeded stock, imagine what it'll be like when they're sitting neatly in the forums ready for purchase? The price? Look at the skillbooks, you're getting into a segment where the investment required is 10x's higher than other typical character builds sold on the forums. Just two of the skillbooks required to train into Rorquals cost 360M & 450M alongside all of the additional skills required to operate as a rorqual pilot which're going to be more intricately assessed by NETI in the next training segment after Capital ships has been trained thoroughly.
Friary	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:52:00 - [203] Err, nice try... 8. No posting of personal information Please respect the privacy of other Eve players and do not give out information such as phone numbers and addresses (and obviously financial information). You must be lacking something to not realise that this means financial info such as BANK ACCOUNT details, CREDIT CARD numbers and the like. Seriously, you really think that it prevents you telling potential investors how you aim to cover the transfer fees? Or are you misreading on purpose to prevent answering the question? I can only assume that you aim to convert isk back to gtc and sell them, making a nice profit...why else spend $1000 on transfers. I also notice your commentary on alts within the pilot accounts being used for GTC sales and buying? I thought you were Amber Leonne, the most trusted and widely known GTC seller ever seen? Why the need to use alts then? In a market thread by you (locked now), you mention that YOU will make 375-400 bil from this venture. I see no mention of distributing profits to investors etc. Investors should be getting worried...would you like to clear this matter up for us? Seriously, you expect investors to believe that you are sharing because thats the sort of person you are? From your aggressive replies and name-calling, I think potential investors like myself might have other ideas on that...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:58:00 - [204] Quote: I also notice your commentary on alts within the pilot accounts being used for GTC sales and buying? I thought you were Amber Leonne, the most trusted and widely known GTC seller ever seen? Why the need to use alts then? Holy crap you're clueless, please feel free to neve rpost in the forums again. Better yet, go put a thousand GTC transactions into an account and tell me how long it takes the page to load, then come ask me why I make use of slots on my extra accounts to increase the efficiency and reliability of my GTC business. Pfft. You really should ATTEMPT to research/know something before you post. Bu-bye.
Friary	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:05:00 - [205] Actually, a page displaying the transactions etc probably loads a hell of a lot faster than logging in alts and then searching for the relevant logs etc. Nice and quick reply though, many thanks
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:06:00 - [206] Originally by: Friary Actually, a page displaying the transactions etc probably loads a hell of a lot faster than logging in alts and then searching for the relevant logs etc. Nice and quick reply though, many thanks No... no it doesn't? Do you even know how the GTC system works rotflmao?
Friary	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:09:00 - [207] Edited by: Friary on 13/09/2007 22:09:48 Yes, I do... And anyways, you use the non-secure system...should be much faster than secure But anyway, back on track to this thread....my other concerns? Any explanations or the like to state in this public forum, where one is entitled to ask questions?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:28:00 - [208] Originally by: Friary Edited by: Friary on 13/09/2007 22:09:48 Yes, I do... And anyways, you use the non-secure system...should be much faster than secure But anyway, back on track to this thread....my other concerns? Any explanations or the like to state in this public forum, where one is entitled to ask questions? There is no "nonsecure system" lmao? And I sell with the alloted GTC system. I see sentences, but they're not decipherable questions?
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.14 00:01:00 - [209] Investing in this scheme is basically supporting the sale of isk / ebay / isk selling sites... This amber person has stated that the $1000 of transfer fees is no issue as it's going to be around $15,000 dollars profit once the profits/GTCs are converted to cash via ebay sales. (Don't believe me? Read the other threads and chat logs of amber) You know those trial account isk spammers in the trade channels, this is a more sophisticated way of achieving the same result. What I'm saying here is not news or anything, amber person has been upfront about this ingame, many people witnessed her saying that all the isk generated by this scheme will mean RL dollars in the end. (EULA loopholes) >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 00:39:00 - [210] Originally by: HostageTaker This amber person has stated that the $1000 of transfer fees is no issue as it's going to be around $15,000 dollars profit once the profits/GTCs are converted to cash via ebay sales. (Don't believe me? Read the other threads and chat logs of amber) What I'm saying here is not news or anything, amber person has been upfront about this ingame, many people witnessed her saying that all the isk generated by this scheme will mean RL dollars in the end. (EULA loopholes) ROTFLMAO, Bull**ing ** I said that. I'm sorry we can't all make our Isk by having GMs seed it for us Mr. BoB boy, some of us are actually working for it. You might wanna take a break from your likely busy schedule of scamming in game to actually do some research about the content of your accusations.

HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.14 02:25:00 - [211] Originally by: Amber Leonne Originally by: HostageTaker This amber person has stated that the $1000 of transfer fees is no issue as it's going to be around $15,000 dollars profit once the profits/GTCs are converted to cash via ebay sales. (Don't believe me? Read the other threads and chat logs of amber) What I'm saying here is not news or anything, amber person has been upfront about this ingame, many people witnessed her saying that all the isk generated by this scheme will mean RL dollars in the end. (EULA loopholes) ROTFLMAO, Bull**ing ** I said that. I'm sorry we can't all make our Isk by having GMs seed it for us Mr. BoB boy, some of us are actually working for it. You might wanna take a break from your likely busy schedule of scamming in game to actually do some research about the content of your accusations. ORLY? I'm a scammer huh? Who did I scam again? You have been quoted by many people as saying that you will be making RL $ dollars off this scheme! It's even linked in this thread as well, who are you trying to fool?? You are one loopy individual I must say, anyone reading and following this whole thing can see it for what it is. Anyways, go ahead buddy, spew more laughable BoB+GM crap all you like but in the end you're still selling isk for RL money in the end. >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Friary	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:32:00 - [212] Seems that you can't read either: In a market thread by you (locked now), you mention that YOU will make 375-400 bil from this venture. I see no mention of distributing profits to investors etc. Investors should be getting worried...would you like to clear this matter up for us? Also, since you can tell us how you intend to cover the transfer fees, since it clearly isn't a breach of EULA, how about telling us?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:35:00 - [213] How about reading the five times it was already told rapid fire in one page of responses? M'kay, bye, stop wasting people's time.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:12:00 - [214] Great news! Conversions have been going well overall I suppose, as we now have 31/50 Capital Ship skillbooks obtained & ready for usage in the fleet. Who knows, might stop there and market them as Capital Ship pilots able to pay for their own carriers with backup mining skills etc and also capable of going into Rorquals, buyer's choice, etc.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 16:43:00 - [215] Yawns and stretches Alrighty, I think today's the time to reconsolidate the thread given what I think the format should finally be. This'll require rewriting a few posts and reformating certain data sheets until everything's just right.
Jane Vladmir Gallente Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:42:00 - [216] 1 please, isk sent
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:45:00 - [217] Originally by: Jane Vladmir 1 please, isk sent Isk returned for ethical reasons.
Jane Vladmir Gallente Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:47:00 - [218]
Grampus8	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:49:00 - [219] Originally by: Amber Leonne Originally by: Jane Vladmir 1 please, isk sent Isk returned for ethical reasons. ROTFLMAO
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 18:23:00 - [220] Alrighty then, I just updated an investor and myself as well with all the new Capital Ship Skillbook additions. I managed to retake 50% of NETI shares, weeee! I added up the NETI assets and subtracted the outside investor's tally and it looks like I have an estimated personal wealth of 6,948,230,000 Isk remaining . And that's with downgrading the 30 day GTC's prices, at normal pricing I'd have another 675,000,000 Isk to muh name n' what not. Anyhow, NETI's doing great, we've got enough 90's for the fleet sitting in our hands and the capital ship skillbooks are pouring in


Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.14 18:33:00 - [221] Posting this a reminder of how this particular forum works, most of you understand that. If you have a question I would urge that it be placed in the Market forum for now. This thread should be for the shares being offered. There is a lot of on and off-topic posting, create a thread in market and keep those questions there. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]


ISD BH Kreul Intentions ISD BH	Posted - 2007.09.14 18:33:00 - [222] Posting this a reminder of how this particular forum works, most of you understand that. If you have a question I would urge that it be placed in the Market forum for now. This thread should be for the shares being offered. There is a lot of on and off-topic posting, create a thread in market and keep those questions there. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 18:36:00 - [223] Edited by: Amber Leonne on 14/09/2007 18:38:56 Originally by: Kreul Intentions Posting this a reminder of how this particular forum works, most of you understand that. If you have a question I would urge that it be placed in the Market forum for now. This thread should be for the shares being offered. There is a lot of on and off-topic posting, create a thread in market and keep those questions there. Thank you. I'm well aware I should have this in Market Discussion, and tried, so try telling that to Continue that line of talking and this will be locked, any questions? - Kreul Intentions As for the offtopic posting, no doubt, Please refer to Kieron's post in the EIP forum as to the lack of moderation in this thread - Kreul Intentions Gee, it's almost like someone's trying to attack this legitimate corporation from all sides so they can resecure potential investor funds back in their own IPO schemes...
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 18:48:00 - [224] Mmm censorship of truth, conspiracy validated, Licks her chops Tasty. LoL Anyhow, as recently mentioned, I plan to reconsolidate this thread's actual data into a new layout/format in congruent new thread fashion. I'll do that over in Market Discussion, again, as it's been requested. I had a feeling your buddy was wrong, was all but certain, and now.. Well then
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 18:57:00 - [225] By the way, I read Keiron's post, and rules 9 & 15 most definately state that moderation should've been given, not neglected. Could you quote something specifically that says otherwise? I'm starting to see a lot of inconsistencies between what the forum rules say, and what the ISD do.

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.14 19:06:00 - [226] My last comment here, read this thread. My post was not directed at you, it was directed at all of the off topic postings. Good luck. forum rules \| [email protected]


ISD BH Kreul Intentions ISD BH	Posted - 2007.09.14 19:06:00 - [227] My last comment here, read this thread. My post was not directed at you, it was directed at all of the off topic postings. Good luck. forum rules \| [email protected]

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.14 19:21:00 - [228] Originally by: Kreul Intentions My last comment here, read this thread. My post was not directed at you, it was directed at all of the off topic postings. Good luck. Aye, I'm aware, which is why I only responded spitefully instead of beligierently, because of the comment regarding making a Market Discussion thread, which I surely attempted lol. Now as for the link, I visited that thread briefly, are you saying that the lack of moderation stems from the dismantling of ISD? If so, who now moderates the forums, and if there's no moderation, why does ISD still retain post altering abilities if they're no longer charged with the responsibilities that make them nessecary?
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.15 14:39:00 - [229] GOne for duh weekend, eve mail me or nada, thar should be no postin herez.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.16 19:09:00 - [230] Just on for a couple hours this early afternoon and gathered a couple new investors and rallied up the remaining Capital Ship skillbooks. WOOT, daz right, Investment Segment #1 is 100% complete. 43x 90 day GTCs remain thus investment segment #2 is 86% complete as well . 34'ish 30 day GTCs remain entwined in NETI's capital with a few billion free in Isk to move about as required. Got a few of the Capital Industrial ships together as well. I've been thinking about maybe buying 1 or 2 of the characters in the fleet for myself and then making a new fleet of miners to go with them for actual use if I get my own computer.

Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.16 20:00:00 - [231] quick question. You bought all/most of those GTC's through the unsecure system right? How do you know that there isn't ie a batch of 10 lying amongst them that have been used? Due to your mass purchasing and the delay between petitioning, doesn't this mean you may have no luck getting CCP to help if there are any dodgy ones? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.17 04:27:00 - [232] Originally by: Ricdic quick question. You bought all/most of those GTC's through the unsecure system right? How do you know that there isn't ie a batch of 10 lying amongst them that have been used? Due to your mass purchasing and the delay between petitioning, doesn't this mean you may have no luck getting CCP to help if there are any dodgy ones? You must not petition much... what makes you think petitiong helps.. anything? Besides, I deal with a trusted clientbase of thousands of reputable members of the EVE community. That and I kind've excel at accelerating the banning of all accounts involved in any malcontented mishaps performed against my GTC stock.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.09.17 20:26:00 - [233] Alrighty, should be online for the next 4-5 hours. I've thought about spending this day updating the thread to it's new home, but at this point, I'm not sure if it's going to be nessecary or not. I have potentially 3-4 months to fund the 3rd segment, and over that time I think I should be able to do that all on my lonesome. Sits here for a bit scratching her head...
Raa Nair	Posted - 2007.10.01 19:53:00 - [234] Well then... seeing as how you haven't finalized your stance on certain inclinations, and given your record of forthright business ethics and habituations, I have forwarded New Eden Technical Institute the funds for about 8700 shares along with this message also eve mailed in case you're no longer actively viewing this thread. I look forward to reaping the rewards of your labor and my generosity alongside offering you any assistance with the venture should you need it to round out the edges. I'm aware a rather serious "rug" was pulled out from beneath you but spying some continued activity, I know you're still at it and the fleet's also still training proactively. So then, I'll leave you to it.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.10.01 20:07:00 - [235] Mail received, Isk received, processing placement & validation of investment. Thanks for contacting, will be in touch during November while I finish prepping a massive amount of new skills to get everyone doing some research before I get them all doing Capital Ships for two months.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.10.01 20:09:00 - [236] Next time you post with an alt to invest your own venture, try not to make it so obvious. Use a different writing style and wait more than five minutes before replying. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans from the BMBE.
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.10.01 20:10:00 - [237] Originally by: Raa Nair Well then... seeing as how you haven't finalized your stance on certain inclinations, and given your record of forthright business ethics and habituations, I have forwarded New Eden Technical Institute the funds for about 8700 shares along with this message also eve mailed in case you're no longer actively viewing this thread. I look forward to reaping the rewards of your labor and my generosity alongside offering you any assistance with the venture should you need it to round out the edges. I'm aware a rather serious "rug" was pulled out from beneath you but spying some continued activity, I know you're still at it and the fleet's also still training proactively. So then, I'll leave you to it. Originally by: Ray McCormack Next time you post with an alt to invest your own venture, try not to make it so obvious. Use a different writing style and wait more than five minutes before replying. pwned.
Ramlag Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.01 20:23:00 - [238] Originally by: Ray McCormack Next time you post with an alt to invest your own venture, try not to make it so obvious. Use a different writing style and wait more than five minutes before replying. Ray wins the thread.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.10.02 16:16:00 - [239] Originally by: Ray McCormack Next time you post with an alt to invest your own venture, try not to make it so obvious. Use a different writing style and wait more than five minutes before replying. She mailed while I was online and brought my attention to the forum post. PS, learn to count, it was no where near 5 minute response time.
Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.10.03 20:37:00 - [240] :::::FLEET TRAINING UPDATE::::: Ice Harvesting & Mining Upgrades IV have been completed accross the fleet. I finally broke down and shifted the massive 18 billion isk investment of Capital Ship Skillbooks into the fleet and they're all now training that and due to start level II in about 40 minutes. Me-thinks once they hit IV, I'll be training up the charisma stats to 4/4 so I should get some charisma implants on them as well before beginning. This of course being in preperation for having them all run research jobs while they're training through their future skillset. I'muh round out their drone skills, navigation skills, and likely boost their base shields & armor effecting skills. Probably energy recharging skills too as they're nessecary for large laser activities, repairing/recharging, tractoring probably, cloaking maybe, and warping etc. Can't forget Jump drive activities either probably. Anyhow, thar's yer long awaited update.

Amber Leonne Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes	Posted - 2007.10.05 04:58:00 - [241] Edited by: Amber Leonne on 05/10/2007 04:58:40 Heh, whoops, mispost, anyhow, updated some investors.
Gnome Eater	Posted - 2007.11.17 18:42:00 - [242] So where has Amber been the past 1.5 months? Is this operation still legit in any way?
Xavier Hayes	Posted - 2007.11.17 19:22:00 - [243] Since secure GTC sales only method allowed, she has vanished....guess RL business had a small profit adjustment...
Gnome Eater	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:49:00 - [244] well how nice, she vanished with a lot of isk... shame people invested in her I guess.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:18:00 - [245] We spent hours warning people about her. Anyone foolish enough to invest anyway sadly deserves what they got Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Aphex Schwin	Posted - 2007.12.08 21:48:00 - [246] I heard she crashed her friends car into an icy river and drowned.


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