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Jinxy Cat
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Posted - 2004.02.03 21:47:00 -
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Im struggelig to decide what to choose. Think i want to go Amarr, but i dont want to gimp myself :P
Give pro`s and con`s for both plz :)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.03 22:07:00 -
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Thorax is the most versatile ship in the game, it's good at fighting and mining with tons of drone space. Maller has no drone space at all.
Apocolypse is better than a Megathron though, if you're thinking long term.
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.02.03 22:17:00 -
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Comparing the top of the line first: the short of it is that the Thorax is the best miner and the maller is the better npc hunter. However, their both more than capabable of npc cruiser combat with the right skills so I wouldn't fret that aspect too much (unless you just absolutely hate ammo). Neither ship can use missiles.
Thorax has the added benefit of having the largest cruiser drone bay so that gives you a lot of versatility even if you don't like mining. Train up heavy drones and you'll have no reason to ever fear another cruiser one on one (npc or pc). Add to this that the Thorax is one of the best cruisers at using short range weapons in addition for long range setups (good combo with drones).
Maller has a way better powergrid and more slots, so it's definitely more of a brute force cruiser. Heavy beams with radio M crystals make quick work of enemies at fairly safe distances. Add some smartbombs for defense or some non-energy weapons to make things easier on your cap and you have a fairly good npc setup.
When you take mining into account, the Thorax wins hands down, as it outperforms any other cruiser from 1.0 to 0.1 (some tier 2 cruisers are considered better for deep space mining due to their bigger bay). In just a few hours of mining the Thorax can pay for itself any time you're short on cash.
For the mid level ships, both the vexor and omen are both kick ass ships for general purpose stuff. Decent at mining (Vexor's better), large cargo bay, good combat. I'd say it's close but the Vexor's better (some people even keep using their Vexors after getting a Thorax to avoid juggling miner activation).
So overall my personal recommendation for cruisers only would be Gallente. However (and this is big) if you plan to stick around til battleship, in my opinion Amarr have the better ships for most purposes, so make your choices carefully.
Hope that helps
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.02.04 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 04/02/2004 00:31:42
If you plan on using lasers, since lasers are still the most popular medium weapon there is, stick to using Amarr, although Gallente will still do lasers better than Caldari or Minmatar. Amarr is much more suited for lasers.
Generally though for versatility, stick to Gallente, especially for mining. Use rails if you pick Gallente.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.02.04 02:58:00 -
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stick to gallente for crusier mining... just because it has drones for harvs... woohoo..
armageddon matches a megathron for mining any day of the weak @ 60% of the cost.
It also can use lasers better, so its a better npc hunter. The only think it lacks compared to a megathron is 2 launchers/midslot :[
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Auman
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Posted - 2004.02.04 14:18:00 -
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Hey Jinxy,
It depends on what you want to do really, I know you tend to prefer blowing stuff up than mining 
Most people have talked about the Thorax & Maller in their posts, they're great cruisers but are among the most expensive as well, so you could be saving up for a while to get one.
An Omen or a Vexor as somebody mentioned would be a better idea for your first cruiser. I think Wilik has got a Vexor he'll probably be willing to sell to you cheaply.
One last thing to bear in mind is that the corp tends to produce mainly Caldari and Gallente ships, so as you progress within the corp there will be more ships that you will be able pilot.
Talk to Ribbo about it I'm sure he'll be able to help you out 
See ya later!
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.02.04 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 04/02/2004 16:22:27
or you could be like me and use all 4 races ships lol..why settle for just 1 when cruisers are so cheap to build..get a 1-run bpc, mine the basics, then mine isogen for like 2-3mil isk and then buy the necessary meg and zyd unless you have the means to mine them yourself..i just mine with my vexor and i could easily build a couple cruisers a day alone with my mining skills solo mining, and im not perfect(4xMinerII's/mining4/astro4 and 9 mining drones lvl-3)..built myself 5 cruisers in the last 2 weeks solo mining, and thats only like 1-2 hours a day mining, and im talkin about MOA/Rupture size cruisers..got 2 Caracals in the factories atm that only took me like 5 hours total for both to mine for.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2004.02.04 16:58:00 -
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stick to gallente for crusier mining... just because it has drones for harvs... woohoo..
armageddon matches a megathron for mining any day of the weak @ 60% of the cost.
It also can use lasers better, so its a better npc hunter. The only think it lacks compared to a megathron is 2 launchers/midslot :[
Megathron can use lasers better than an Armageddon... you can take that to the bank. Geddon may have the same miner loadout, but lets be serious, it just can't mine the same lower security systems the same. Defense is the worst of all Battleships and its CPU sux so you with miner 2s will be pressed with a lot of mods to get MWD and shields going on a mining setup.
With that in mind... I would choose Gallentene over Amarr your first route. Nothing says loving like 8 heavy drones in the oven. Dominix is only a month or less away mining in a thorax.
Kaylon
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.02.04 19:19:00 -
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Kaylon wrote: Quote:
With that in mind... I would choose Gallentene over Amarr your first route. Nothing says loving like 8 heavy drones in the oven. Dominix is only a month or less away mining in a thorax.
Nothing says love like 5xIon Blasters and 8 Heavy Drones
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Nepereta
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Posted - 2004.02.04 19:29:00 -
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Megathron has that short ranged blaster thing that some folk rave about nowadays. In addition its the LVL 2 Battleship with the big drone space! But comparing it to the ggedon is a touch unfair 7 m2s and 2500 drones space sure but the rest is different.
Serious about mining? i would suggest Thorax -> Armaggedon ->Mega or Apoc. Sure the juggle is a pain but its worth it if you are gonna cash mine.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2004.02.04 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylon Syi on 04/02/2004 21:13:48
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Megathron has that short ranged blaster thing that some folk rave about nowadays. In addition its the LVL 2 Battleship with the big drone space! But comparing it to the ggedon is a touch unfair 7 m2s and 2500 drones space sure but the rest is different.
Serious about mining? i would suggest Thorax -> Armaggedon ->Mega or Apoc. Sure the juggle is a pain but its worth it if you are gonna cash mine.
Exactly... Geddon is out classed as a ship compared to a Megathron in every catagory but fleet mining in low security and solo mining for *ack* scordite and veldsapr... i saw POST-CASTOR at atleast a 10% loss of profit i was earning PRE-CASTOR in my armageddon from mining and NPC hunting and I easily got it back in my mega and more ( thanks to uber NPCs bounties)
Also, unless you, like me, have/want to have multiple races trained up to Battleship levels and want to go Amarrian then you should go Maller -> Armaggedon -> Apoc as you will cut down skill training wise and the Apoc and Megathron are quite honestly kindred ships. Apoc has pgrid and mega has CPU. Apoc can gank better with Tachs, Mega can Solo PvP better with blasters and drones. Even tradeoffs, both being capable in many areas of eve. Basically pic the one you think is prettier, one that conforms to your playing style, and enjoy.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.02.04 23:40:00 -
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My first crusier was a Vexor, realy good all around ship.
Next ship was a Thorax, in my opinion the best crusier in the game. 2000m3 drone space is just soooo much.
Then I switched over, got an Armageddon, then then An Apoc.
In my book going from a Thorax to an Armageddon isnt much of a change, the arma is basicly just a bigger version of the thorax in my book. Both suffer from 3 med slots and the Armageddon has more drone space and more high and low slots.
In my opininion the Amarr crusiers are just rather bland, they lack all the umph the Gallante crusiers have.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.02.05 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 05/02/2004 05:46:24
"Megathron can use lasers better than an Armageddon... you can take that to the bank"
And how is that?
Megathron actually has a weaker powergrid than an Armaggedon, and one less low slot as well. For energy weapons you need low slots. Armaggedon is cap bonuses with energy weapons---and get this---an ROF bonus. Yup, on tachs, megabeams, pulses, etc. I would prefer an ROF bonus over a damage bonus, because your DOT is higher with increased ROF.
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"Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies,
"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2004.02.05 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 05/02/2004 05:46:24
"Megathron can use lasers better than an Armageddon... you can take that to the bank"
And how is that?
Megathron actually has a weaker powergrid than an Armaggedon, and one less low slot as well. For energy weapons you need low slots. Armaggedon is cap bonuses with energy weapons---and get this---an ROF bonus. Yup, on tachs, megabeams, pulses, etc. I would prefer an ROF bonus over a damage bonus, because your DOT is higher with increased ROF.
Hmm yes another post that totally missed the point. Does it matter that you can fit more lasers on the geddon or even get a RoF bonus? You can't really do much else with it with all that on there. Mega has this cool thing... its called more cpu. And get this... it has one more mid too.... and lets just top it off with the ability to use 2 missile points.
Please Slithereen... read into a post more than numbers. Mega using lasers better doesn't necessarily mean that in the fitting room its better... but on the battlefield it does and is. Guns don't win in themselves but the supporting cast of modules. Mega has it where it counts and the geddon falls short in several areas.
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Dajjal
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Posted - 2004.02.05 12:59:00 -
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comparing the geddon to a mega is somewhat unfair
geddon - tier 1 BS
mega - tier 2 BS
the Mega *should* be better overall
on a side note... the armour-tanking possibilities of the geddon take that BS to a different level and the Dom's massive drone space shouldnt be ignored
as always - its horses for courses - u need to decide on what u want to do within eve - and then chose ur ships accordingly
i personally can fly all the cruisers and used the thorax as an all rounder - but especially for mining (the low cargo space is a pain tho) - and then would use my Maller for NPC farming
if you want to PvP then its still caldari for the n00b cruiser pilots
(personally i like the rupture - a much maligned cruiser - this ship comes into its own once your skill levels are up in the several millions)
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Auman
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:27:00 -
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Hmm yes another post that totally missed the point. Does it matter that you can fit more lasers on the geddon or even get a RoF bonus? You can't really do much else with it with all that on there. Mega has this cool thing... its called more cpu. And get this... it has one more mid too.... and lets just top it off with the ability to use 2 missile points.
Hmmmm yet another post that has missed the point of the topic 
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