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Lady Caeser
Open Fist of Castallus
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Posted - 2007.08.17 10:46:00 -
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how many actual "base" attribute points does a new character get compared to a 2003/2004 character?
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Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2007.08.17 10:51:00 -
[92]
For each year of play you should be rewarded with a yatch.
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:19:00 -
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for each year of EVE you should get an infinite mineral generator: it generates 1mil of a certain mineral after each downtime, deployed in any station you are currently in.
after one year you get a veld generator
2 year is pyrite
3 years is mex
4 years is iso
and so on.
or maybe you get the following:
1 year a faction BS
2 years a freighter
3 years a carrier
4 years a mothership
and so on.
or better yet:
1 year: +6 implant set
2 year +7
3 years +8
or, wait, maybe something like this:
1 year resist all base +20%
2 years rez all 30%
3 yrs rez + 40%
or perhaps....
1 year you can deploy 6 drones
2 = 7
3 = 8
The op isnt serious, and the arguments I have seen are total balls. Fact is that the Vets have most experience in all aspects of eve: most SP, biggest wallets, best corps, biggest POSes, fattest alliances, coolest gear, biggest ships.
what more do you need oh venerable ancient ones? free blowjobs from the noobs?
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Dave White
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:24:00 -
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I'd love a one-time opportunity to completely re-distrubute all your attribute points, for not just Vets, but everyone. Once per character.
But since that will never happen, I'll settle for a Vet-Only reward like in SWG 
 Originally by: GM Tacgnol
Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat. 
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Calleb
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:27:00 -
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I was only thinking the same thing myself the other day.
It struck me that a 1 year old toon who has specialised in an area ahould have every advantage over an old timer who has not specialised in anything. but does that mean that the old guy should not get something for his efforts? After all eventually these noob characters with their better stats distribution will eventually all become the strongest players in eve, leaving the old guys with their charisma 30 behind.
It strikes me as maybe a difficult thing to get a good balance on. I think it would be best if the veterans get something that the noob players just cant get which cannot be traded. I dont know what that thing should be, but maybe a pot of legal combat booster, some shares in an npc corp (which you get paid divvy on), some fancy mining crystal, 1 mill sp.
I dont really know what would be best, but it would be nice to get something back.
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Calleb
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:41:00 -
[96]
I was only thinking the same thing myself the other day.
I totally agree that a 6 month old toon who has specialised in an area ahould have every advantage over an old timer who has not specialised in anything. but does that mean that the old guy should not get something for his efforts? After all eventually these noob characters with their better stats distribution will eventually all become the strongest players in eve, leaving the old guys with their charisma 30 behind.
It strikes me as maybe a difficult thing to get a good balance on. I think it would be best if the veterans get something that the noob players just cant get which cannot be traded. I dont know what that thing should be, but maybe a pot of legal combat booster, some shares in an npc corp (which you get paid divvy on), even as someone suggested - just stripes on your arm.
I dont really know what would be best, but it would be nice to get something back.
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Macmuelli
Gallente
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Macmuelli on 17/08/2007 11:50:24
"vets shoud have grey hairs and creased skins" in the picture.
seriuos:
Less attribute shoud be step by step adjusted to new races, if there will be 1 time the moment they`ll be better then veterans in learning.
With every new " skills floating" on market , there shoud be adjusted / percentage improvement of learning skills.
Which are avaiable for all races then.
Veterans shoud now "Open" the door for the Eve world, combine there resources , working for npc s corps, to let them grow. And step by Step we see tech II npcs, like convoys / Police ships on gates... .
An exampe:
Corp agents avaiable only if u get standing to the corp + an age of ??? month/yeahr`s.
Agent ask for Tech II material which can be invented by the player ( it woud boost this profession) or it can be buyed.
Also Ships/ Moduls / minerals to let the Npc corp grow.
Rewards shoud be not isks/ or uber items. I woud prefer more % bonus to building /refining/ extraslots for invention/research with a % bonus to speed/ sucess etc...
Step by ste this corps grow then and the eve-"npc"-world around will change to tech II+ better qualtiy ships.
The improvment For all Veterans shoud be now, beeing the Ones which change The Npc world around us, to open the way for a better Technolgy level.
Coud u make this possible CCP ?  if it s needed.
my personal minds on it.
"Ein jeder ernte Ruhm auf seine Weise.....Gunnar von Hlidarendi "
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:50:00 -
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if we could get all the skills of EVE within 18 months it would still not be enough for most newbies 
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:51:00 -
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the way EVE works is WITHOUT a cap: there is no lvl 70 in eve, and training all skills to lvl 5 is nigh on impossible. Therefore vets have had the opportuniy to improve 'infinitely'
noobs start faster these days, but in the long run will barely be able to overtake vets. unless of course you have 50 charisma and never found the plug for your implants, but that shouldnt be acted upon by CCP other than banishment from eve for total moronity.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:53:00 -
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Veterans may have an advantage in SP but don't forget that the new bloodlines have been out for a while and at this point, every new skill they train, they're much faster at than the veterans, so effectively they've got a huge advantage over the veterans. Sooner or later all the old people will get so ****ed off that they'll leave, when 2 years younger characters can have more SP than them.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 17/08/2007 13:48:39
The Vets should be happy that they could enjoy a few years without blobfare, I really wish I could have enjoyed it. 
The new bloodlines are extremely good if you know what you are doing during character creation and have a predefined career path, no denial of that.
For example, one of my 2006 PvP chars will reach 30m SP next month, and that is without the help of +5s. But compared to a science char I created earlier this year she is a slow learner is this one push 2739SP/h.
So do I qualify for a bonus as well now when I have 90mill SP in game split between 4 characters? Didn't think so even though a faction shuttle or two had been fun.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 13:54:00 -
[102]
anything that will help me to fix my stupidly low perception atribs i picked (becuase the manual pointed towards what i have now as being better btw) gets my vote
/signed
almost 4 years with like 6 perception SUCKS (i have 18 with a +4, the learning to lvl 5, and adv to lvl 4) makes me very sad :( (cant get in game to check but i think im right)
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.17 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Veterans may have an advantage in SP but don't forget that the new bloodlines have been out for a while and at this point, every new skill they train, they're much faster at than the veterans, so effectively they've got a huge advantage over the veterans. Sooner or later all the old people will get so ****ed off that they'll leave, when 2 years younger characters can have more SP than them.
Let's take a look at the math behind this, shall we?
2-Year Veteran Player: Gains 1 Mil SP per month, 12 mil per year
Noob Player: Gains 1.2 Mil SP per month, 14.4 mil per year (20% better)
Year 1: Veteran has 12 mil, Noob has 0
Year 2: Veteran has 24 mil, Noob has 0
Year 3: Veteran has 36 mil, Noob has 14.4
Year 4: Veteran has 48 mil, Noob has 28.8
Year 5: Veteran has 60 mil, Noob has 33.2
Year 6: Veteran has 72 mil, Noob has 45.6
Yeat 7: Veteran has 84 mil, Noob has 60
Year 8: Veteran has 96 mil, Noob has 74.4
Year 9: Veteran has 108 mil, Noob has 88.8
Year 10: Veteran has 120 mil, Noob has 103.2
Year 11: Veteran has 132 mil, Noob has 117.6
Year 12: Veteran has 144 mil, Noob has 132
Year 13: Veteran has 156 mil, Noob has 146.4
Year 14: Veteran has 168 mil, Noob has 160.8
Year 15: Veteran has 180 mil, Noob has 175.2
Year 16: Veteran has 192 mil, Noob has 189.6
Year 17: Veteran has 204 mil, Noob has 204
Are you guys seriously complaining that a new bloodline will be able to catch up to a 2-year veteran on SP In FIFTEEN YEARS? Christ. 
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.17 14:32:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Tarminic
Are you guys seriously complaining that a new bloodline will be able to catch up to a 2-year veteran on SP In FIFTEEN YEARS? Christ.
Lol, and if both of them use implants it will take even longer as the difference will be less than 20% then.
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RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:31:00 -
[105]
Edited by: RaTTuS on 17/08/2007 15:32:30
umm,
there is no difference between old character and new characters - apart from the SP difference, base stats all work out the same.
Old Characters should only get affected by the Jovian disease sooner..
When eve started there was no Advanced learning or attribute implants - that is where the difference is - new character start with 800K SP and a couple of implants [if you do the missions - and if you train up and plug in +5's from the start it will help ]...
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:33:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Tarminic
Are you guys seriously complaining that a new bloodline will be able to catch up to a 2-year veteran on SP In FIFTEEN YEARS? Christ.
Lol, and if both of them use implants it will take even longer as the difference will be less than 20% then.
Not to mention the fact that the veteran will have implants much earlier than the new character, but for simplicity and credibility's sake I decided to leave out implants altogether, as it would make the math slightly less obvious.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Animal.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:47:00 -
[107]
Originally by: zoltar
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Really, if it bothers you that much, sell your current character for a few billion and start a new one with the perfect attributes you want.
You can use the cash from the sale of your current character to buy +5 implants and train the hell out of those learning skills.
According to your own prediction, this strategy should gain you an advantage within three or so years. But maybe it's too much trouble after all? Think of the n00bs who don't get a choice.
So your saying instead of treating everyone fair, that I should just start the game all over again? Throw 4 years of playing, my employment history, my sec standing, my standing with my agents and my reputation down the drain. Gee thanks.
So you're saying that your veteran character gives you certain advantages, unrelated to attributes, that you would lose if you start again from scratch?
Hmm... interesting.
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Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:57:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Chavu
You TRI guys are way off on this one. One of the best parts about this game is that a new pilot can train for a few months and specialize and be as good as a 4-yr old player.
Yes, new bloodlines and the new player experience give quite a boost to new players. But uhhhh, there's been lots of stuff like this, like reducing requirements for skills, new drop in the price of graviton books gives new dictor pilots an isk advantage, etc, etc, etc.
Logic in this thread is insane, so you have way more skillpoints than a new player. But your new alt gets more base attributes and you want a boost to your attributes so you can have an even larger skillpoint advantage?
If skill points don't mean everything in the game then why do you want more? Old players have had positive changes and negative changes, so has everyone. You shouldn't get anything for free for just being in this game longer than someone else, that is against the spirit and harshness of eve.
Inzi wasnt complaining about how newbie characters can quickly specialize, he was morely asking for feedback, on an idea that the new characters are better than the older ones for attributes, he isnt asking you to agree to taking skillpoints from newbies.
Why shouldnt 3 year old players have the same attribute advantage of the new bloodlines?
Do you realise at the time I started playing, I had to train my base learning skills to 5 before I could train the advanced? Do you realise I started with less than 100K SP? There wasnt any funky bloodline with excellent attributes for PVP, I think Brutor was the best one.
I agree with you Inzi!
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.08.17 16:00:00 -
[109]
I think it's about time we got gold stars under our forum portraits...
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Steve Holt
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 16:04:00 -
[110]
get this, my current character is 2 years old and my alt i made a month ago will have more sp then me at the end of next year.
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.08.17 16:41:00 -
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My main has 23m sp and is less than a year and a half old, my alt is about 6 months old and has 8m sp. I don't see a problem. Skillpoints vary according to specialization anyways, it's not a linear progression. And then there is the very valid point of implants, since a new player with financial sense can buy +5's and out attribute an older player in a couple of months. Maybe we should nerf people's brains too?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Holt
get this, my current character is 2 years old and my alt i made a month ago will have more sp then me at the end of next year.
its not because you train skills that dont take advantage of your high charisma and intelligence 
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zoltar
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Posted - 2007.08.17 22:30:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Originally by: zoltar
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Really, if it bothers you that much, sell your current character for a few billion and start a new one with the perfect attributes you want.
You can use the cash from the sale of your current character to buy +5 implants and train the hell out of those learning skills.
According to your own prediction, this strategy should gain you an advantage within three or so years. But maybe it's too much trouble after all? Think of the n00bs who don't get a choice.
So your saying instead of treating everyone fair, that I should just start the game all over again? Throw 4 years of playing, my employment history, my sec standing, my standing with my agents and my reputation down the drain. Gee thanks.
So you're saying that your veteran character gives you certain advantages, unrelated to attributes, that you would lose if you start again from scratch?
Hmm... interesting.
yep, i sure am. I spent 4 years of hard work earning that. Doesnt mean I shouldnt be treated like everyone else. Just because I started playing eve before you does not mean i should be nerfed. Maybe you should have started earlier. quit being jealous and be fair.
What are you going to do when a year down the road another patch comes out with new bloodlines again, noobs start them and within a couple years they have more skills then you. Are you going to throw away your character that you use now, that you spent so much time on, and start a new one? I didnt think so.
If i started college 5 years before you, there should be no way you can catch up unelss i get pod killed over and over again with no clone, or quit going. The teachers shouldnt say "oh, well im not going to give you as many assignments as the people that just started, because they need to catch up with you, and eventually pass you. Its not fair you started college before them."
Its plain not fair, if you cant see it you are blined by jealousy. Put yourself in my shoes and think about it for a bit.
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INZi
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 22:30:00 -
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throwing up figures, numbers, witty comments, just to **** at me, well gg ladies. ur saying "it's fair that noobs gets this" but what's so fair about the vets NOT getting this? the vets started out with nothing and the noobs, in comparsions gets lots more, and that is fair?
people been paying for the game 4,3 years gets a royal nut kick while someone paying for 2 months gets the free cooky? but i guess u're too hungry to, yet again, pound your chest with fancy figures and whitty comments in order to flame me.
the rest thou. thanks for your feedback, and those who actually made any without calling me a troll knows who you are. thanks
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.17 23:01:00 -
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It would be nice if we could get a free present every year from CCP. Doublick on present and an permanent attribute booster is dropped in hanger. Doublick on booster and it permanently improves an attribute.
On the other hand, vets have one thing that newbs do not have - the eVe rich experience from the start to present. That is something no ISKs can buy.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.18 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
It would be nice if we could get a free present every year from CCP. Doublick on present and an permanent attribute booster is dropped in hanger. Doublick on booster and it permanently improves an attribute.
On the other hand, vets have one thing that newbs do not have - the eVe rich experience from the start to present. That is something no ISKs can buy.
Except the counter should be reset each time a character change owner, so no present for you. 
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.18 00:53:00 -
[117]
we dont even have pets, why would we buff vets?
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
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Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Vixen Renault
Gallente
Nexus Analytics
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Posted - 2007.08.18 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vixen Renault on 18/08/2007 01:07:33
Edited by: Vixen Renault on 18/08/2007 01:05:29
Personally, I think it would be great for a veteran to get some token of appreciation from ccp. Something like the following would make me very happy and have no real impact on the game mechanics:
Year 1 Vet: Free Name Change.
Year 2 Vet: Free Character Portrait Update.
Year 3 Vet: Allowed to add one logo/phrase to one ship (Corp/Alliance/Faction)
Year 4 Vet: Allowed to customize the primary and secondary colors on one ship.
After year four you could return to the beginning and repeat the process, but add +1 to the numbers. IE, a year 7 vet could have 2 logos one one ship or one logo on two ships.
I want a Crimson and Yellow Dominix with the Alliance logo and the ship name 'Dominixatrix' printed on the side.
I really don't think that would give you many advantages...if anything it would help point you out as primary in any engagement.
PS> For those who whine that name changes would enable scammers and corp spies. Put a name change history category somewhere on the player info.
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 18/08/2007 01:09:51
Ah ha .. someone else posted along the right lines .. here's what I wrote anyways.
Anyway, I can see what INZi is saying and its done in every other MMO without the 'newb friendly' boosts.
There should indeed be skills for 'veterans' that have pre-reqs of say 50mill skill points. What they do is up to CCP's evil geniuses, but exist they should!
A titan is NOT a good vet bonus, access to something neat like the ability to change ship trails or different color schemed ships or hell .. even the ability to customize ships (like faction custom jobs) would make a ton of sense and breath some life back into the game for em and give us all an extra dimension to aim for ;-)
INZi is just pointed out something missing, he wasn't trying to spit on the newer players or make those that specialize feel silly.
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.08.18 03:09:00 -
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Give vets zimmerframe icons on their ships and 10 000 units of prozac.
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