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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:29:00 -
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Cloaking is fine and balanced. AFKing in the terms of this argument, is only viable due to local. If a package of changes were made to remove locals instant intel, then maybe a change to cloaking could be considered in that package. Any changes to cloaking, should also take WH space into account.
But as it remains AFKing is a perfectly viable tactic, that requires the same effort as gaining intel from local. The difference is, the effects of psychological warfare are not a guarantee, unlike locals instant intel.
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:34:00 -
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No derailment, only facts. Sorry they don't sit well with you.
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Posted - 2012.01.15 01:40:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Mag's wrote:No derailment, only facts. Sorry they don't sit well with you. That is Ok the penalty for having a different opinion in GD is to be lined up before the firing squad. As long as you're there with your sniper rifle, all will be well. 
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:05:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:met worst wrote:My fingers are in my ears. Your head is up your ass. YOU are the ONLY one who knows whether you are AFK or ATK - THAT'S the point ya ******* moron.  This Thread is now at maximum constructiveness levels! Funny how that works, aye bud. Some just can't help themselves. 
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:07:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Mag's wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:met worst wrote:My fingers are in my ears. Your head is up your ass. YOU are the ONLY one who knows whether you are AFK or ATK - THAT'S the point ya ******* moron.  This Thread is now at maximum constructiveness levels! Funny how that works, aye bud. Some just can't help themselves.  You will know about it huh? Please point me to any post of mine that is compared to the one Alara quoted and we'll talk more. 
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:58:00 -
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@ Lyris Nairn <3
This thread is pointless, as the anti AFK brigade don't have an argument and will not accept facts over emotional conjecture.
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:07:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:but there is nothing to fix. everything is fine so far. there is no reason why I should be forbidden to afk whereever I like, space is free for all equally. you either dont know what i am talking about, so please get informed, or you are failing in trolling.Also, If you do know, and want to get all nitpicky on me, know that using Game mechanincs in no way as intented is forbbiden according to the EULA.Suck it up From EULA '23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. ' And no, AFKin is no supported by CCP in any way.Its not a 'feature'.Its a break of the gasme rules. Please point me to the bug and or exploit. While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit.
I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit.
Thank you kindly. 
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:09:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Ghost of Truth wrote: According to wikipedia:
'An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating'
Cloaking=Feature since 2003 AFKIng =using that feature to get unintended bonuses=exploit baby!!
Hmmm, sounds like that same reasoning could be applied to Local Chat Intel, as I don't recall it ever being intended to be used as a form of 100% flawless Intel, but as a means of player communication. So it's an exploit to counter an exploit, all of which could be resolved by removing the original exploit, that is Local Chat Intel.  I like it. 
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Posted - 2012.01.17 19:28:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Mag's wrote:Please point me to the bug and or exploit. While you are at it, please indicate how many players have been banned, through using said bug and or exploit. I ask because obviously you either work for, or own CCP. Why else would you claim to know what they consider is, or is not, a bug and or exploit. Thank you kindly.  Just because noone has never brought it in that light before.Everyone trying to point it out was after a while so angry by the trolling tha his post had no much sense anymore.... Also I dont need to be an employee know what CCP thinks about expolits mate.Its right there on the EULA.... Do you honestly think you're the first to try and use the EULA to try and justify your ideals in regards to AFKing? Just because you think it's an exploit, doesn't make it so. I think you'll find that's CCP's job.
CCP bans people for using exploits. But I'll take it from the lack of a list of banned players from you, that they have never classed AFKing with cloaks, as an exploit. So you obviously don't really know what CCP thinks in that regard now, do you? 
Ghost of Truth wrote:You dont even make this hard you know.... What you do make hard, is actually trying to understand most of what you post. May I suggest you calm down a little and take your time when replying. That way we'll all have the benefit of your wonderful insights. 
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:15:00 -
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Ghost of Truth wrote:Mag's wrote:Do you honestly think you're the first to try and use the EULA to try and justify your ideals in regards to AFKing? Just because you think it's an exploit, doesn't make it so. I think you'll find that's CCP's job. CCP bans people for using exploits. But I'll take it from the lack of a list of banned players from you, that they have never classed AFKing with cloaks, as an exploit. So you obviously don't really know what CCP thinks in that regard now, do you?  the EULA is a two party agreement.CCP or a PLAYER can call on to that.Just FYI. And? The EULA just outlines what they expect of you and what you could expect back, it still remains their decision to make changes and or act upon it. As far as what is or is not classed as an exploit, that still remains CCPs job not yours.
Ghost of Truth wrote:Gerrick Palivorn wrote:If you can call on the EULA to get an afk cloaker banned for afk cloaking, please provide evidence and I will give you a cookie. Prepare the cookie pot then.Becasue that is what i am doing.. edit:I cant ban a player of course..But I can call CCP that there they broke the EULA by not enforcing the quality clauses listed there, or not informing for its comapny position for a perceived, by my part, infrigment of the EULA. Let us know when you succeed, but I won't be holding my breath. 
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