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Janus Duo
Gallente
Psilocybin and Wine
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Posted - 2007.08.18 00:26:00 -
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OK Pottsey, you may be an authority on tanks, and that's all well and good. But apparently you have no idea about blasters or drones if you're saying that Ogres travel faster than missiles and aren't susceptible to being popped if not in scoop range. And that you can hit real PvPers with blasters and no MWD.
I'd say the Drake is much better at tanking and damage than the Myrm at ranges of 25-70km. If you really want to fully passive tank a Myrm and do damage with no propulsion mod fit projectiles and sentries, then compare the damage (and keep in mind someone will need to be dual webbing and target painting for you as sentry tracking SUCKS and so do the longer ranged turrets if you're not using lots of tracking computers and enhancers.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Psilocybin and Wine
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Posted - 2007.08.18 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Janus Duo on 18/08/2007 00:51:26
This is a much more viable mission setup, won't cap out and actually has the range. Sorry but you're gonna have to use your light drones to kill cruiser and below mission rats, neither your arty nor your sentries will have the tracking to hit anything lower unless you're webbing, and well, you're not. And after 25km or so your guns will be in falloff as well, so the damage will be effectively halved from the guns.
5x 650mm Artillery Cannon II [30xTitanium Sabot M]
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
2x Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
5x Shield Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II
Rigs : 3x Core Defence Field Purger I
5x Hobgoblin I
4x Warden I
~55% average resist, ~200-230 shields per second at peak. 250-300dps (if you're hitting for full damage, you won't be)
Use a Drake.
7x Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile]
3x Large Shield Extender II
2x Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
3x Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Rigs : 3x Core Defence Field Purger I
5x Hobgoblin II
346 dps that doesn't need to worry about tracking, or speed much as light drones are wicked fast. You also don't need to worry about drone aggro in missions if you need to, keep the drones in bay.
Tank is pretty admirable too, 75% average resists with BC V, ~170-200hp/s recharge at peak.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Psilocybin and Wine
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Janus Duo on 18/08/2007 03:43:58
 Originally by: Kamen
I'd take the extra 300% DPS at a cost of 20% tank capability any day!
Erm. You seem a bit dense then, let me spell it out for you.
"YOUR THEORETICAL DAMAGE WILL NEVER WORK IN AN ACTUAL INGAME MISSION."
Myrm tank is arguable better, yes. If your hybrids magically had infinite tracking and range and your drones were unshootable and travel 10km/s to their target then yes. Until these base mechanics change Drake will always be superior in all missions save AFKing em by aggroing room and realeasing drones.
Take both these setups out and actually TRY em, then come back and talk about actual ingame stuff, not some random Quickfit bullcrap you've pulled together.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Psilocybin and Wine
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 07:23:00 -
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PvE guys, PvE.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Psilocybin and Wine
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
Where did you get these numbers from? 4 Warden II's only themself will do about 350 dps - thats without the dps from guns.
I was using Warden Is because using T2 drones in missions is stupid. They just get blown up every few missions, and then you've lost your profit margin. Sentries perhaps could be the exception, but I admit I stopped trying to make a sentry drone domi work well long before the T2 sentry drones came out. Still, your theoretical DPS means crap because they have trouble even tracking slow moving BSes. Good luck even landing a hit on anything smaller.
And again, IF YOU HAVE DISTANCE Arties will hit. Too bad you're so slow without propulsion mod (and are having to sit in scoop range of your sentries to protect your shiny T2 investment) that you're not gonna be dictating range at all. And I'd like to see you hit the 50-60km orbiting BSes with small arties.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Psilocybin and Wine
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.08.18 08:43:00 -
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You misunderstood what I was saying about a MWD and blasters. I was saying that blasters don't work in missions BECAUSE you can't use a MWD, which you have now acknowledged. I was responding to your refusal to acknowledge that the Myrmi is much more limited by range and travel time. Sentry drones can't really hit anything smaller than a BS also, so the decreased travel time doesn't really turn into more actual DPS there.
Also about your tracking figures, anybody that's using large blasters is webbing too. The Mega gets a tracking bonus and doesn't have to worry AS MUCH as other blasterboats, but even it still aways fits a web.
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