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AnotherForumAlt
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:41:00 -
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Posting with an alt to protect the identities of the people involved.
So, we hired this guy. Noob pilot but seemed to be a nice guy. After a while, he started to show some outbursts of childish behavior. He started having trouble with other corp-mates, breaking corp/alliance rules, nothing serious but very annoying. We noticed he was expending way to many ISK for a character of his age/skills so we kept an eye on him.
We sent our cov-ops pilot to watch him and he observed the guy looting other comp member's wrecks and mining/ratting in a very 'macro-ish' way.
The guy finally admitted on corp channel (and I have the log) that he was indeed using macro. He was told not to do it but he replied with "nobody will notice" and "I'm always near the PC and I accept all chat requests".
We expelled him from the corp that day. But he refused to leave alliance space and now he is neutral, perma-docked on the outpost, trying to gain acceptance to other alliance corps. We have been approached by different corps asking for references about this guy. I have to tell the whole story every time.
We don't know what else to do with this guy besides making the issue public on the alliance and filling a petition for the macro thing. We want to be fair on this matter so we would like to know your opinions on this.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:50:00 -
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Definitely petition the macro use. As long as you have proof then that solves everything else, as CCP will perma ban him.
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Ironnight
Caldari
x13
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:50:00 -
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Burn him
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:53:00 -
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You gave him a chance already. You asked him to stop macroing and he refused.
This is not an opinion on what to do, just an observation on where you are now.
Incidentally, when a member of my corp turned ore thief the security chief and ceo both swore they would pod him themselves if he kept it up. He stopped.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:55:00 -
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Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Market Checkerr
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:55:00 -
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I'm just curious as to whether or not it is illegal to use macro's if you are sitting attentively at the PC. I know in some other games I have played, this was allowed.
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Guvnor RBM
Welsh Commanders
3asy Company
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Posted - 2007.08.18 10:59:00 -
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The only macro thats every beem ok'd as far as I know is binding your "F" keys to one so you can fire them all at once.
But scripted macro's are a no no
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Market Checkerr
I'm just curious as to whether or not it is illegal to use macro's if you are sitting attentively at the PC. I know in some other games I have played, this was allowed.
Pretty sure that it's still prohibited. Feel free to ask a GM.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Market Checkerr
I'm just curious as to whether or not it is illegal to use macro's if you are sitting attentively at the PC. I know in some other games I have played, this was allowed.
Read the EULA. Any use of macros is illegal.
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Aeon Jonas
Caldari
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:14:00 -
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I entirely agree with Brutor Shaun. Petition him for macroing and he will get banned and you won't have this problem anymore.
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Psychological Challenge
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:29:00 -
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When in doubt revert to Alliance rules
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:35:00 -
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G15 keyboard macro keys are allowed as stated by CCP in the past
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.08.18 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 18/08/2007 11:59:47
Edited by: Galk on 18/08/2007 11:57:37
Smell a witch hunt here....
'a very macro'ish way' ect.... common, just what is a macro'ish way
You've obviously stung this guy with a manipulative chat youv'e had with him.. proving absolutely nothing, thats why your banging this up here on the forum with a shed load of conjecture, patronising comments and confusions to stir the masses.
One option you have, in game petition (of which you know full well anyway), nothing more... forum posts won't (or shouldn't) have any effect on the outcome.... tattles for public consumption arn't helpfull.
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Ecatherina W
Gallente
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:10:00 -
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If you feel sure that you are right about his macroing - petition it.
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Empress of the Multiverse
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:12:00 -
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I also smell a witch hunt.
Something doesn't make sense about your claims.
How exactly do you think using a macro is getting this guy so super rich if he is indeed always there and responsive to messages? It's not like a macro can magically generate isk. It does nothing that a real person can't also do. I don't see what your problem is.
I'm not defending the use of macros. If he's using one he should be banned, but I don't understand your complaints.
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
I also smell a witch hunt.
Something doesn't make sense about your claims.
How exactly do you think using a macro is getting this guy so super rich if he is indeed always there and responsive to messages? It's not like a macro can magically generate isk. It does nothing that a real person can't also do. I don't see what your problem is.
I'm not defending the use of macros. If he's using one he should be banned, but I don't understand your complaints.
If he works at home and has two computers he could be monitoring the macro for 12-14 hours a day. That's a lot more income than any ordinary player would make.
Macros don't run out of steam, get bored, want to do something new, etc. They always work. If you're not the one actively doing it and you're just watching TV or something, you'd have more isk too.
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:21:00 -
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Petition him as a macroer.
BURN!
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:22:00 -
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take him back in....
invite him to npc with ya...
lock him down... say to him only way your gonna escape is to log right now. when he does boot him from corp. and then pod kill him.
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Lady Caeser
Open Fist of Castallus
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:30:00 -
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why so scared of some newbie using a macro while near his pc?
i mean, at least he's an actual player, and he is just using a macro to take some of the monotony out of it right?
every day i fly through 0.0 space and see 10 or more characters with names like "hherrrts2333" and "gherrar3ts" that are in npc corporations, farming npcs 23/7
they usually last about 6 months, then when they have made some riduculous amount of isk, they send it all to their boss/main whatever who then sells it on.
yes he'll get his account banned, but by that point it is too late the damage to the economy has already been done and he's made a massive profit. The guy will just setup a new account from another ip.
We manage to kill some of their torp carrying badger 2s with 2 GSC full of 24k torps each, but this doesnt stop them, its only a fraction of what they make in an hour.
these are the real macros you need to be afraid of, that are gradually thinning isk into water.
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Lady Caeser
Open Fist of Castallus
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:34:00 -
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apart from devaluing isk, they make it possible for an economically starved entity to keep going even though you remove their ability to make money, they just buy it from some isk selling site. totally defeats the point of warfare if they can just buy more.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
If he works at home and has two computers he could be monitoring the macro for 12-14 hours a day. That's a lot more income than any ordinary player would make.
Macros don't run out of steam, get bored, want to do something new, etc. They always work. If you're not the one actively doing it and you're just watching TV or something, you'd have more isk too.
Fine fine. That would probably do it, yeah.
Your old sig was better, btw.
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Haffrage
If he works at home and has two computers he could be monitoring the macro for 12-14 hours a day. That's a lot more income than any ordinary player would make.
Macros don't run out of steam, get bored, want to do something new, etc. They always work. If you're not the one actively doing it and you're just watching TV or something, you'd have more isk too.
Fine fine. That would probably do it, yeah.
Your old sig was better, btw.
That's what she said! Ah..hrm...it doesn't go that way does it.
I was going to keep my older sig and do a rotating thing, but this came out nicely and too many people didn't get the last one. I like the colors in this one 
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:53:00 -
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Aw dude, that sig and the other one with "what the hell was that? We hit a can sir" are two of the best sigs ever, they're both really well done. I also miss the one with picard pointing and saying "I'd hit it... With an inverse tachyon beam"
Sorry for derailing the topic. The servers are down and I can't be held responsible for my actions. I'm done. Honest.
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Juneau Vespertine
Minmatar
Tech 3 Hotsauce Limited
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Posted - 2007.08.18 12:55:00 -
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First step is to probably petition with whatever you've got, see if that works. If it doesn't, and I personally don't think it will, then you can step it up a little.
I'd suggest for you to "fight fire with fire" and use a macro to rig a docked character to tell the story in local until he gets the hint, but that'd be against the rules.
Fortunately, you don't have to use a macro. Write a little version of the story in one of those post-it notes and copy/paste into local a couple times a day, whenever you go by the system he hides in. Post chatlogs, whatever. If he insists on living in that area of space, and you can't kill him because he won't undock, a PR campaign won't make the place very fun for him.
Get your corpmates involved, get creative with it. Change it up to keep it fresh while delivering the message that this dude is terrible. Add a catchphrase or two (sup cal nereus buddy?) to make it hip, edgy, and/or stale and irritating ("much like your posting" being the correct catchphrase response right here, for example). You don't have to be nice about it, though you probably shouldn't stray into smacktalk territory. Ignore him if he responds, every single time.
Once he's reached the point where he'd just be an embarrassment to any corp in your area that might let him join, he'll start running out of options. After about a week of telling your story in the area, everyone will know, and you won't have to do that anymore.
On the outside chance that he petitions it and CCP responds, then you counter-petition with your chatlogs/whatever again and see if they'll do something this time. A "PR campaign" is mildly griefer-ish, but as long as you can back up what you say, and don't post anything that -
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- you should be able to avoid getting warned for harassment. Of course, if someone in CCP does tell you to stop, then you do.
This is something you can do whether he stays permanently docked or not. Just don't be too serious about it; he's some hurf that durfed in your playground, make getting rid of him into something fun. You don't need CCP to solve your problem. Not yet, at least.
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thats why your banging this up here on the forum with a shed load of conjecture, patronising comments and confusions to stir the masses.
The masses don't care. Forum mudslinging is stupid, and generally doesn't do anything. Even I don't care, I just had an extra hour to write stuff because it's DT.
Hit him where he lives.
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these are the real macros you need to be afraid of, that are gradually thinning isk into water.
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Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.08.18 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: AnotherForumAlt
Posting with an alt to protect the identities of the people involved.
So, we hired this guy. Noob pilot but seemed to be a nice guy. After a while, he started to show some outbursts of childish behavior. He started having trouble with other corp-mates, breaking corp/alliance rules, nothing serious but very annoying. We noticed he was expending way to many ISK for a character of his age/skills so we kept an eye on him.
We sent our cov-ops pilot to watch him and he observed the guy looting other comp member's wrecks and mining/ratting in a very 'macro-ish' way.
The guy finally admitted on corp channel (and I have the log) that he was indeed using macro. He was told not to do it but he replied with "nobody will notice" and "I'm always near the PC and I accept all chat requests".
We expelled him from the corp that day. But he refused to leave alliance space and now he is neutral, perma-docked on the outpost, trying to gain acceptance to other alliance corps. We have been approached by different corps asking for references about this guy. I have to tell the whole story every time.
We don't know what else to do with this guy besides making the issue public on the alliance and filling a petition for the macro thing. We want to be fair on this matter so we would like to know your opinions on this.
Thanks
I had a similar problem when i ran my corp. We had a member who was very insistant upon buyin billions of ISK every month. I finally caught wind of it, told him that i wouldnt continue to harbor EULA breachers and if he didnt stop it that he'd be kicked from the corp. He continued to brag and boast about how he spent his ENTIRE christmas bonus check on ISK. I had enough, gave him the boot as soon as he docked/logged.
HE then joined another corp in the alliance we were in and continued his ISK buying ways even AFTER i told his CEO that he was in ISK buyer. The CEO did nothing about it. Your best bet is to post an alliance email about him thi sway you dont have to tell the story a million times over. PErhaps even outing him on the c/p forums (as many have in the past) would go a long way into making sure this guy doesnt get into a corp (or at least making future employers aware that he is a risk)
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