The list is private data and thus protected by DPA. If I would hand them out to CCP I would break several laws by doing so.

You still don't get it that it doesn't matter?

Even if you say to CCP "hey, I have proof", you are still blackmailing someone because of real life event.

You can't get away with it, or play around it.
If you blackmail someone, you are both breaking the law (blackmail is blackmail, in game or out of it, electronic or physical), and going against CCP TOS rules.

You are trying to find a way to blackmail someone without being caught. If he snitch on you, you will get banned, even if you provide proof or not. He will still provide proof that you tried to blackmail him (and if you use an alt account, I'm sure CCP can connect it to your real account), and you still get a ban.

Blackmail is blackmail.

And if you are worried about someone catching you for stealing online information, that is a pretty dump of a concern coming from someone who wants to blackmail another...

Not technically correct. Blackmail exists in game nearly every hour of evey day, in regards to ransoming.

(1) A person is guilty of blackmail if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces; and for this purpose a demand with menaces is unwarranted unless the person making it does so in the belief: (a) that he has reasonable grounds for making the demand; and (b) that the use of the menaces is a proper means of reinforcing the demand

From this you have to assume that blackmail in game is fine with CCP as long as it doesn't lap over into real life.
Every time I ransom a player I am technically "blackmailing" him.

Hey all,

just a quick question about scams. Would the following be a legit scam in EVE?

Let's say I claim that I have a comprehensive list of players who bought ISK/items from RMT websites. Now I work thru that list and write everyone an in-game email with the choice either to pay me 500mil (or what ever) or being reported.

Is this still a legit crime in EVE?

No one with two brain cells to rub together is going to send you isk for the same reason no one pays ransoms:

If they send you isk, there's nothing to stop you from saying "I want a bill" later down the road.

Zero gain for the RMTer by paying you the isk.

If you blackmail someone, you are both breaking the law (blackmail is blackmail, in game or out of it, electronic or physical), and going against CCP TOS rules.
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And if you are worried about someone catching you for stealing online information, that is a pretty dump of a concern coming from someone who wants to blackmail another...

You seem to be slightly confused about ingame and out-of-game.

Your victim did something out of game and you are blackmailing them over the thing they did out of game.

Ingame = fake
Out of game = not fake

Blackmailing somebody in game over something they did ingame is fake.
Blackmailing somebody in game over something they did in real life isn't fake blackmail.

...Your victim did something out of game and you are blackmailing them over the thing they did out of game.

Some people need reminding this is a game and not set in reality.

Means all actions within the game are part of the game? Not real and just for fun, right?

If so then nothing would be wrong if I blackmail other people in-game for things they did in-game. But sadly that's not always the case otherwise I would have some fun with cheaters already ^^

It's not even got anything to do with 'real life' or 'out of game'.

Extorting by threat of petitioning CCP will risk the loss of your accounts. Find a way to extort them in-game OR just report them to CCP. I don't see how people can't understand this.

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You tell a guy you want paying in "in-game items/money" to keep his RMT'ing secret is not ok because although he is receiving money in game for the RMT he is still using an external site/contact to purchase it : intrudes upon real life you can't do it.

He didn't purchase anything - all items in game are property of CCP. You can not sell or buy something that's not yours. The RMTs pay for the service of the item transfer within the game - without that in-game transfer nothing happens - it's that simple.

What if my claim to have this list is just false and I don't really know if someone RMTed? Simple - it doesn't matter - if I blackmail someone it doesn't matter for what I extort him - for a real reason or not.

The whole out-of-game thing is nonsense - the ISK/items are in-game and even may be acquired in full compliance with the TOS (e.g. by chinese grinders ^^) there is no out-of-game ISK/item. Regardless if I blackmail the RMTs for ISK or not - it has no impact to the game.

Sure from the moral aspect I should straight report every one on that list but I would just ran rampart if I see the same person still in game just because CCP don't want to lose another valuable customer. I'm not an MMO noob and know how such things usually handled. Maybe do you know the game Aion? The RMT rate in Aion is - tata - over 90% - does NCSoft know this? Yes, they do but they can't ban all without losing.

After seeing that list and if I had to guess about the RMT rate in EVE I would say at LEAST 50% (hey - still 40% less than in games without PLEX) - means it's very likely that 1/2 of you already involved in RMT. *Shhhhsssst* how can you say that! ^^

RMTs are part of the game - wanted or not, liked or not - they are there and there are plenty.

I think it's time to have some fun with them ^^ Oh, BTW - if you think those RMTs are mostly carebears - well, sadly not.

Basically you can buy tons of ISK/items from any website you want as long as you don't acquire the bought ISK/items in-game, you don't violate the TOS or disturb the gameplay in anyway.

I'm not blackmailing them for buying ISK/items, I'm blackmailing them for cheating in-game.

However the question remains - does it matter for what reason, where or how I ransom/blackmail a real person? I think not - it's like Lemok Sonji wrote, blackmail is blackmail, ransom is ransom regardless where or for what reason I do it. It's not the reason or location that makes it a extortion - it's the act itself that is illegal.
Doesn't matter if I extort ISK or real money from someone or for what reason - "Pay or I'll pod you" or "Pay or I'll report you" both are real extortions. Heck, even the try chargeable.

Doesn't matter if CCP allows one over the other - they can not legalize an illegal action thru their TOS, it doesn't matter if it's common use or not - it remains a criminal act in regards of law.

But without a suitor - no suit ^^


P.S. ^^ = 2 eye brows. It's like 0.o or ^o^ or ^_^

No, one of them is completely fake.

"Pay or my toon pods your toon"
"Pay or I report you to CCP"

See the difference?

I'm not blackmailing them for buying ISK/items, I'm blackmailing them for cheating in-game.

Most likely if you sent them an out of game email, that would actually not break any CCP rule...

Your toon does nothing without your action - it's not your toon that ransom, it's you and it's also you who click the button and bust the pod of the other player.

You see, there is no difference. Both actions are done by a real person to real person. Sure, it happens within the game, the ransom, the ISK payment or possible consequence if he rejects to pay you. But I would do nothing else.

My blackmail crusade "pay or I'll report your cheating" is the same - I use my toon to write his toon, within the game, for reasons only valid in game, with consequences only valid in game. The cheater bought ISK/items out side the game but that's not the reason why I can ransom him - I can extort him for brining it into the game, using it in the game.

I'm not affecting his real life in any way (at least not more than I ask for ISK to safe his pod) - I may disturb his gameplay - but hey the game is not a solo game where everyone can bend the rules to his/her own comfort - one rule is: It's not allowed to RMT - either selling or buying.

Other than in the "Pay or pod" extortion - the cheater has a 3rd option - he/she can simply admit that she/he has bought ISK against the rule, sacrifice the ISK and return to normal gameplay. I bet CCP wouldn't call out a ban on him then.

They are completely different - eve online is a role playing game wherein you are playing thru a character - my character is called is called Tommy Shanks and he is a trader in a fictional place called new eden.

I myself am the father of a small child. I am a home owner. I drive a car to work. Sometimes I log onto the internet and play a spaceship video game called eve online wherein my toon flies a space ship and is a station trader. I drive a car to work, because I`m not Tommy Shanks I`m a human being living in the year 2012 and we just don`t have space travel in my part of this world just yet.

If Tommy Shanks dies in eve online I don`t have my wife call my insurance company to collect on my death - it`s just a role playing game.

Who knows what effect this will have - maybe some will never RMT again because they know it's not that secure they first thought it is.

Let's say I pick on someone or a small corp. I create a new account and do massive RMT on that account. With that illegally obtained ISK I go and buy every single item, contract, etc. that this player/corp sales. Once I'm done I accuse myself from another account - and the whole ISK will be removed from the game - leaving my unknown victim with a negative ISK balance. What crab' mechanism is that? (I bet this already happened in EVE)

I think within reason, it's a whole lot of effort to try to bury someone like that. Especially if the target did not have any control over who bought their items/contracts.