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myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.06 13:30:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Aamrr wrote:The Vargur also gets more midslots, which lets it fit more tracking computers. These give 3x the tracking of a tracking enhancer, so... MWD Mach can fit a web, 1xWeb Drone, and 3xTP drones for improved tracking. 
The auto targeter?
Never used one before, tell me about its advantages. How you use it. Its something you dont see fit often, Your actually the first ive seen it with.
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Tyrinel
Sector Nine
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:52:00 -
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The auto targeter?
Never used one before, tell me about its advantages. How you use it. Its something you dont see fit often, Your actually the first ive seen it with.
It's used because it allows you to target an additional 3 targets per module , so a vargur can target 13 instead of 10 as well as every cycle it will auto lock on to enemy ships with in 60km's so it's a quality of life improvement. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:06:00 -
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Tyrinel wrote:But but the machariel is such a nice looking ship , that surely counts for something especially against the vargur I'm just bored with the Vargur , but it's really a better ship over the Machariel for pve as the only thing the machariel has going for it besides the looks is 170 more dps if you use faction ammo and 6km more falloff otherwise they are the same dps and the mach goes 150m/s faster with the AB. I know these things have already been posted in the previous posts but also bumping the thread to see if someone can give me a reason to sell my Vargur for a Machariel  I just haven't found one yet other then the Mach looks nicer.
Yes, but... the Mach can reduce falloff a lot quicker than the Vargur can. A T1 ammo Mach that is ~11km closer to the target than a RF ammo Vargur, will have the same DPS. Which is why I splurged and put a Gist-X MWD on my Mach. Putting a slow AB on a mission Mach is a travesty, IMO. =)
The other reasons to use the Mach over the Vargur are faster align times, faster acceleration, and faster target locking. However, the Vargur is a bit more leisurely to fly and considerably cheaper to buy and fit.
myFORUMalt alts wrote:
The auto targeter?
Never used one before, tell me about its advantages. How you use it. Its something you dont see fit often, Your actually the first ive seen it with.
The auto-targeter provides +3 target locks for 10 total (same as a Marauder.) You don't need to run it, since it's just there for the additional target locking.
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Tyrinel
Sector Nine
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:23:00 -
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Deleted posted , read link on what I was asking |
Stetson Eagle
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:20:00 -
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It's a small difference when taking into account the faction ammo on Vargur and salvaging BS wrecks on the go. Vargur can live with less pimp tank making it less of a target for suicide ganks. Mach aligns and moves faster (reduces travel time between missions).
If you like blitzing missions, Mach is the better choise. If you like rolling it slow and steady, Vargur. |
rogue lawyer
New Edens United Nation
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Posted - 2012.03.11 22:32:00 -
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Richard C Hoagland wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:The mach does way more dps than the vargur and it's faster as well, the Vargur tanks better (especially against em/thermal) and has lower ammo cost. Thing is that under normal circumstances you don't NEED the extra tank and he extra speed of the Mach also helps to apply its superior DPS faster so it completes missions much faster.
The tractor bonus on Marauders is effectively nullified due to the uberness of the Noctis, the only real boons are increased tank and ammo usage so If you mission in Amarr space I'd get a Vargur, outside that I'd get a Mach. If you have a marauder, and are still coming back later with a Noctis, you're doing marauders wrong. Very wrong.
Perhaps his aim is to get Loyalty Points. a Noctis used after missions is actually faster than than using a marauder for salvaging, not that much faster but faster none the less. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.03.12 01:15:00 -
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rogue lawyer wrote:
Perhaps his aim is to get Loyalty Points. a Noctis used after missions is actually faster than than using a marauder for salvaging, not that much faster but faster none the less.
Then you definitely wouldn't waste time on a separate Noctis trip, nor would you salvage everything in the mission with a marauder.
If you're after LPs, then you want to blitz, which means you spend as little time as necessary in the mission. It would only make sense to take the extra time to salvage if salvage nets you more isk per unit of time than you can converting lp to isk over the same time.
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Dhar'aul
Squirrel Horde
Habitat Against Humanity
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Posted - 2012.03.14 08:19:00 -
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My take on the subject is:
Mach completes missions faster, but vargur gives you higher isk/h.
Choose what you like. |
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