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DannyMoe	Posted - 2007.08.19 13:45:00 - [1] just a thought.. the rokh is a sniper or i assume it is with its range bouns so would it not be better to give it a dmg or tracking bouns insteal of resist? dose it need resist if its supposed to snipe? i would like to hear what ppl think about this ty
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.19 13:49:00 - [2] Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/08/2007 13:49:55 I like its alternative role a gang blaster/tank ship. A damage bonus at fleet range would be nice but I think it'd get pigeonholed into one rarely used role without its resist bonus. The resist bonus is an advantage in fleet anyway, albeit a small one.
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.08.19 13:50:00 - [3] Damage bonus on a sniper ship? Yeah
Rafein	Posted - 2007.08.19 14:05:00 - [4] why tracking bonuses? It's a sniper ships. It's made to be used at long ranges. And at long ranges, Tracking is not very important, since transversal is so low. Tracking is more useful on a short range ship. Instead, the Resistance bonus allows it to skimp somewhat on Defence mods, allowing you to fit more sensor boosters for range, or even Ewar modules, while keeping a deent tank.
FawKa Gallente Old Farts Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.19 14:40:00 - [5] Falloff bonus maybe?
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.19 15:25:00 - [6] Change the range bonus as it detracts from its best use, as a mining ship
Adamantium Beams Section XIII	Posted - 2007.08.19 16:20:00 - [7] Fix the useless hyp first then we will see for your carebear low skilled ship
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.08.19 16:24:00 - [8] the rokh is like the moa which is like the merlin, question is why does the drake get a resistance bonus and not a missile speed bonus and rof like the raven/caracel hmmmmmmmm?
Cain Calzon Caldari Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.19 17:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Dr Fighter the rokh is like the moa which is like the merlin, question is why does the drake get a resistance bonus and not a missile speed bonus and rof like the raven/caracel hmmmmmmmm? because with a ROF bonus the ship becomes unstopable, during testing the Drake had RoF bonus and shield resistance, if u then fitted it with HAMs u had an unstoppable killing machine and an insane tank
El'Tar Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.19 17:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Cain Calzon Originally by: Dr Fighter the rokh is like the moa which is like the merlin, question is why does the drake get a resistance bonus and not a missile speed bonus and rof like the raven/caracel hmmmmmmmm? because with a ROF bonus the ship becomes unstopable, during testing the Drake had RoF bonus and shield resistance, if u then fitted it with HAMs u had an unstoppable killing machine and an insane tank Killboard

Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.08.19 17:12:00 - [11] Edited by: Dr Fighter on 19/08/2007 17:12:22 Originally by: Cain Calzon Originally by: Dr Fighter the rokh is like the moa which is like the merlin, question is why does the drake get a resistance bonus and not a missile speed bonus and rof like the raven/caracel hmmmmmmmm? because with a ROF bonus the ship becomes unstopable, during testing the Drake had RoF bonus and shield resistance, if u then fitted it with HAMs u had an unstoppable killing machine and an insane tank yeah well hurricane had 7 guns and it pwned too, but it got a gun taken off..... one more gun than the cyclone after... drake rof bonus 6 launchers... one more than the ferox... make sense?,,,, appologies for kinda derailing this thread, just pionting out that the rokh and its bonuses are inkeeping where others wernt, sorry.
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.08.19 17:33:00 - [12] Originally by: DannyMoe just a thought.. the rokh is a sniper or i assume it is with its range bouns so would it not be better to give it a dmg or tracking bouns insteal of resist? dose it need resist if its supposed to snipe? i would like to hear what ppl think about this ty Range is fairly useless in eve, at least when one looks at the majority of encounters in eve.
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.08.19 17:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Igualmentedos Originally by: DannyMoe just a thought.. the rokh is a sniper or i assume it is with its range bouns so would it not be better to give it a dmg or tracking bouns insteal of resist? dose it need resist if its supposed to snipe? i would like to hear what ppl think about this ty Range is fairly useless in eve, at least when one looks at the majority of encounters in eve. 30km neut blaster optimal
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.08.19 17:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Igualmentedos Range is fairly useless in eve, at least when one looks at the majority of encounters in eve. Agreed... especially when at 150km or more, you can warp to the sniper, at a range you can dictate, nullifying the sniper's advantage. _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.08.19 18:13:00 - [15] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/08/2007 13:49:55 I like its alternative role a gang blaster/tank ship. A damage bonus at fleet range would be nice but I think it'd get pigeonholed into one rarely used role without its resist bonus. The resist bonus is an advantage in fleet anyway, albeit a small one. A damage and range bonus would be terribly overpowered.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/08/2007 13:49:55 I like its alternative role a gang blaster/tank ship. A damage bonus at fleet range would be nice but I think it'd get pigeonholed into one rarely used role without its resist bonus. The resist bonus is an advantage in fleet anyway, albeit a small one. A damage and range bonus would be terribly overpowered. Yeah.. of course... it could deal more damage than the hyperion at sniping... how dare you to suggest that the caldari sniper should deal more damage than the gallente blasterboat at 180km?
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.08.19 20:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Dr Fighter the rokh is like the moa which is like the merlin, question is why does the drake get a resistance bonus and not a missile speed bonus and rof like the raven/caracel hmmmmmmmm? it had it at the start... it was WAY overpowerd... i remember when it was on test for the first week :P it was insane --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Forest Ray	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Dr Fighter the rokh is like the moa which is like the merlin, question is why does the drake get a resistance bonus and not a missile speed bonus and rof like the raven/caracel hmmmmmmmm? it had it at the start... it was WAY overpowerd... i remember when it was on test for the first week :P it was insane That was only because HAMs were horrible overpowered initially on sisi. The drake with RoF replacing the current resist bonus would make it more gank/less tank which was what the tier2 BC were supposed to be in the first place. The Myrm needs to lose its rep bonus as well. As far as the Rokh range/damage would basically destroy any other sniper boat and be very unbalanced.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/08/2007 13:49:55 I like its alternative role a gang blaster/tank ship. A damage bonus at fleet range would be nice but I think it'd get pigeonholed into one rarely used role without its resist bonus. The resist bonus is an advantage in fleet anyway, albeit a small one. A damage and range bonus would be terribly overpowered. Yeah.. of course... it could deal more damage than the hyperion at sniping... how dare you to suggest that the caldari sniper should deal more damage than the gallente blasterboat at 180km? Or maybe its just overpowered Rokh with damage bonus is purple and blue. Hyperion is Yellow and Green.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Benn Helmsman Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/08/2007 13:49:55 I like its alternative role a gang blaster/tank ship. A damage bonus at fleet range would be nice but I think it'd get pigeonholed into one rarely used role without its resist bonus. The resist bonus is an advantage in fleet anyway, albeit a small one. A damage and range bonus would be terribly overpowered. Yeah.. of course... it could deal more damage than the hyperion at sniping... how dare you to suggest that the caldari sniper should deal more damage than the gallente blasterboat at 180km? Or maybe its just overpowered Rokh with damage bonus is purple and blue. Hyperion is Yellow and Green. I cant see your point, it would deal more damage at ranges than the hyperion... UUHH surprise the sniper shipe does more damage at ranges \07 Now compare the hyperion in close range after the rokh lost its resistance bonus, its faster, gets repairing bonus and bigger drone bay (ok only twice as much )

KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:37:00 - [21] I like the rokh the way it is if it got a range bonus and a damage bonus it would be extremely overpowered. I think the problem with the rokh lies in two areas... the main problem for it is t2 ammo. 2 sniping ammo allows the other battleships to snipe to amost 250km... the max locking distance. I think they should remove t2 ammo from the game and adjust the damage bonus the comp skills give. Or they should remove the 250k lock range cap because the rokh can't shoot its maximum range, its kinda like having a dps cap on gallente blaster boats.
Benn Helmsman Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company	Posted - 2007.08.19 21:42:00 - [22] Removing the locking range cap wouldnt make any difference, since it is pretty much impossible to set up warpin point at 300km+ in short time most of the time. Removing the t2 long range ammo would boost all caldari ship very hard, i dont think that will ever happen,
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.08.20 01:22:00 - [23] rohk with a damage bonus would out damage a hype at any range assuming same equips/skills. aside from damage with shortest range ammo within optimal of the hype. At longer ranges the rohk can use antimatter when the hype uses plutonium, or tungsten instead of iron. and how did the drake compare to the myrmi with the rof bonus instead of the resist bonus?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.20 01:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Cain Calzon Originally by: Dr Fighter the rokh is like the moa which is like the merlin, question is why does the drake get a resistance bonus and not a missile speed bonus and rof like the raven/caracel hmmmmmmmm? because with a ROF bonus the ship becomes unstopable, during testing the Drake had RoF bonus and shield resistance, if u then fitted it with HAMs u had an unstoppable killing machine and an insane tank Oh, you mean as opposed to the Myrmidon, which still has a similar tank both as passive shield or active armor (actually, even a better one if you dedicate all slots to it), deals more damage (or can fit NOS instead of extra damage for an even more amazing tank), and can also fit tackle gear ? Oh, right, I always forget, Gallente ships are supposed to be overpowered in PvP. As for the Drake, the best bonuses it can get, and SHOULD get, are those identical to the Raven. Namely, assault/heavy/heavy assault bonuses of 5% launcher RoF and 10% missile velocity. Even so, it STILL wouldn't be an unstoppable killing machine. Killing machine, maybe, but tier2 BCs are SUPPOSED to be "ganky, not tanky". So, killing machine ? Maybe. Unstoppable ? Hardly. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Benn Helmsman Caldari Helmsman Engineering Company	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:35:00 - [25] Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 20/08/2007 05:39:31 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton rohk with a damage bonus would out damage a hype at any range assuming same equips/skills. aside from damage with shortest range ammo within optimal of the hype. At longer ranges the rohk can use antimatter when the hype uses plutonium, or tungsten instead of iron. and how did the drake compare to the myrmi with the rof bonus instead of the resist bonus? Well you forgot some "small" hidden advantages the hyperion got: 1) twice the drone bay 2) 30% faster with a T2 MWD 3) armor tank (with a BIG bonus especially after the rokh would have lost the resistance bonus) 4) faster locking time 5) higher agility
Kamen SRBI Circle 0f Two	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Kamen on 20/08/2007 08:32:28 The range bonus on the rokh is quite odd. With proper snipe fit it shoots beyond 250km, which is max locking range, a range which is never used in fleets. If I was to omit the tracking computers, I lose needed tracking. If I was to use the "100km antimatter advantage", there would be VERY few situations in which I could actually make use of it. In simple words, I would say, just drop the range bonus altogether or rethink bonuses so that they actually make sense. ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal.


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