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Loaf	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:06:00 - [1] Yes I know my subject is an argument starter but before you flame me let me explain. First I have been playing eve over four years I have 62 million skill points so I am no noob. Today while enjoying hunting NPC pirates I was attacked in my Raven by two Battle cruisers, That isn't the problem, in Eve that is expected, it was after paying the ransom and retreating to safe space with my tail tucked between my legs that I had an epiphany; I came to the realization that Eve is evil and that it promotes only evil acts! Only pirates in Eve succeed! CCP encourages only acts of Evil and violence, The good guy always looses in Eve. In the old days a Battleship was pretty much invincible now it is little more than a hopped up shuttle, why? simple; because CCP nerf'd it, just as they have nerf'd anything that promotes solo playing or players who play an honest game without conflict. So I must either give in to the wishes of CCP and become an evil player, join one of the many marauding bands of cutthroats, thieves, cheats and killers, go out and attack the hapless miners or noobs, or give up the game. It is a said day, I almost wish I were still ignorant like the rest of you; mind you that reading this; doesn't give you your own "epiphany" I promise you if it does Eve will no longer be the game you once new and enjoyed. Before I close let me post a question, if I am right and Eve is EVIL, am I going to go to Hell now? Maybe I am already there.
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:09:00 - [2] More importantly, does Hell have exotic dancers?
Julius Romanus Free Space Development Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:12:00 - [3] I hear some people shoot at peaceful asteroids with LAZORS. Eve is madness :(
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:24:00 - [4] Your Stuff? Bookmark Idea - My skills
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:29:00 - [5] Originally by: Loaf Yes I know my subject is an argument starter but before you flame me let me explain. First I have been playing eve over four years I have 62 million skill points so I am no noob. Today while enjoying hunting NPC pirates I was attacked in my Raven by two Battle cruisers, That isn't the problem, in Eve that is expected, it was after paying the ransom and retreating to safe space with my tail tucked between my legs that I had an epiphany; I came to the realization that Eve is evil and that it promotes only evil acts! Only pirates in Eve succeed! CCP encourages only acts of Evil and violence, The good guy always looses in Eve. In the old days a Battleship was pretty much invincible now it is little more than a hopped up shuttle, why? simple; because CCP nerf'd it, just as they have nerf'd anything that promotes solo playing or players who play an honest game without conflict. So I must either give in to the wishes of CCP and become an evil player, join one of the many marauding bands of cutthroats, thieves, cheats and killers, go out and attack the hapless miners or noobs, or give up the game. It is a said day, I almost wish I were still ignorant like the rest of you; mind you that reading this; doesn't give you your own "epiphany" I promise you if it does Eve will no longer be the game you once new and enjoyed. Before I close let me post a question, if I am right and Eve is EVIL, am I going to go to Hell now? Maybe I am already there. EVE isn't a solo player's game, unless you plan on mission whoring. Want to do "good" things in "bad" places? Then make sure you have enough people to defend yourself. Your problem is that you were out alone, and got picked on by two people. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Loaf Yes I know my subject is an argument starter but before you flame me let me explain. First I have been playing eve over four years I have 62 million skill points so I am no noob. Today while enjoying hunting NPC pirates I was attacked in my Raven by two Battle cruisers, That isn't the problem, in Eve that is expected, it was after paying the ransom and retreating to safe space with my tail tucked between my legs that I had an epiphany; I came to the realization that Eve is evil and that it promotes only evil acts! Only pirates in Eve succeed! CCP encourages only acts of Evil and violence, The good guy always looses in Eve. In the old days a Battleship was pretty much invincible now it is little more than a hopped up shuttle, why? simple; because CCP nerf'd it, just as they have nerf'd anything that promotes solo playing or players who play an honest game without conflict. So I must either give in to the wishes of CCP and become an evil player, join one of the many marauding bands of cutthroats, thieves, cheats and killers, go out and attack the hapless miners or noobs, or give up the game. It is a said day, I almost wish I were still ignorant like the rest of you; mind you that reading this; doesn't give you your own "epiphany" I promise you if it does Eve will no longer be the game you once new and enjoyed. Before I close let me post a question, if I am right and Eve is EVIL, am I going to go to Hell now? Maybe I am already there. The universe itself does not promote either good nor evil. Its always the acts of its inhabitants that sets the standards. EVE is a universe in chaos; disorder! There is nothing that can be called a place in order! The closest thing to call order is the Empire, but even there the cheming; the backstabbing is prevailing! And the only reason Concord keeps a certain level of peace (unless bribed) is to allow at least a small level of sivilization shine through all the cruel acts its inhabitants do! If everyone worked together, the world would be what Oveur calles a fluffy lala land. But EVE promotes human nature to grow. and nourish it with blood. And in such enviroment, Lala land cant exsist. Because the human nature is all about destroying itself. Originally by: Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
Jean Delacroix Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:40:00 - [7] It's true, EVE does nothing to encourage any sort of 'good deeds' (beyond killing NPC pirates, which doesn't actually benefit anyone directly). CCP should consider adding direct threats to player security in such a way that players could contribute. NPC Pirate/Faction attacks on high-sec stations would be an interesting addition, and players would have to band together to wrest control of the stations back. Just don't turn it into another loot grindfest. :P
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:44:00 - [8] @Op,,, after reading your post in the other topic, i know you read my reply, so I'll chuck it here again,, Think about the saying "Strike Fear into the heart of Evil", and realise how hypocritical it is. Another applicable quote is "Who watches the watchers", but that's slightly more tangential. Now,, another one that crossed my mind is that "Power Corrupts",, however corruption or someone who is deemed "corrupt" or "corrupted" is the victim of a subjective opinion. I wrote a bit of a forum rant in another forums about this, and the paradox created by those who wish to strike down evil in a justice serving sense. Without diving into any RL examples, people fear those who have power over them. Evil people seek to apply their power against evil, and to ensure evil does not rise again, therefore the "commoners" (those with no preference to good or evil, or are generalyl under the notice of such issues) have the "good power" applied to them pre-emptively. So people become wary of the new "good" power, tensions rise, and once again, those on top are inevitably percieved as "Evil". It's a continuous cycle. Evil people are always pushing those below them, and the "good" which comes out on top is inevitably percieved as evil, and attacked, till the next "good" force cleanses it. That's an incredibly sketchy opinion written down in about a minute because I don't want to get all philosophical in this realm. Needless to say, people are uneasy letting others have greater power than them, no matter their nobility and justness of cause. Improve Market Competition!
Loaf	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:44:00 - [9] Out come the armchair philosophizers! I wasn't complaining and yes I know I was in dangerous space, alone and pretty much likely to get my tail feathers waxed! If you paid attention to what I posted I did point out I AM NO NOOB! 4 years and 62 mil skill points! I merely pointed out the "epiphany" I guess it is possible you don't know the meaning of the word so I apologize for your ignorance. The point of my discussion I guess is what are we becoming by playing Eve, what are we teaching our children. I myself am already taught; a combat veteran, former Navy Seal, I've been to Hell and sent others there. So I guess if Eve is evil, I am home. But go ahead and philosophize I am sure someone will enjoy it.
Delichon	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:49:00 - [10] I would rather think of something visa versa - if average security rating of a given corp goes below a certain level, that their POSes become subjects to Concord/Faction attacks, killing their members leads to increase of security rating(maybe insta-money, but to much space for fraud here). And of course Faction warfare. I don't want to be good for everyone, I want to be good for the Great Caldari.

Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.20 06:57:00 - [11] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 20/08/2007 06:58:54 Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 20/08/2007 06:58:00 Quote: Out come the armchair philosophizers! I wasn't complaining and yes I know I was in dangerous space, alone and pretty much likely to get my tail feathers waxed! If you paid attention to what I posted I did point out I AM NO NOOB! 4 years and 62 mil skill points! Ok, what I paid attention to was that you were ratting, and got popped by two battlecruisers. I don't see how that justifies an evil or good stance. Your hunting of the pirates may not necessarily have been evil. Perhaps the two battlecruiser pilots thought they were doing good by going out and ransoming a 0.0 dweller thinking they were "part of a big evil 0.0 alliance who pops everyone on sight",, and only ransoming you because they thought you might decide to change your living. Quote: I merely pointed out the "epiphany" I guess it is possible you don't know the meaning of the word so I apologize for your ignorance. Your epiphany being only pirates survive? I'd beg to differ, since I can think of many people who I've been in corps with who are pirates and are quite jealous of my current living from arguably non-evil pursuits (I'm a carebear industrialist) Quote: The point of my discussion I guess is what are we becoming by playing Eve, what are we teaching our children. I dunno about yourself, I've taught myself a bit of project management, how to influence and cooperate with others, how to avoid trouble, how to solve trouble when it comes to your doorstep. Quote: I myself am already taught; a combat veteran, former Navy Seal, I've been to Hell and sent others there. So I guess if Eve is evil, I am home. I'm military too, currently serving, though not the hot seat a Navy Seal sits in. Given that, while not dragging in real-world issues, I'm sure you understand exactly what I'm saying regarding the general perception power being used for good, given the media these days. Improve Market Competition!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.20 07:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 20/08/2007 07:03:04 EVE doesn't kill people, pirates do So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Loaf	Posted - 2007.08.20 07:07:00 - [13] Maybe I was too Vague, but I am too tired to explain, Eve is Evil, Eve promotes evil acts = my epiphany. And I was trained to do Evil things, I don't seek your forgiveness or even your understanding. I am ok with Evil Maybe my epiphany was that I had forgotten the world is all Evil and to survive you must become Evil too. Kill all carebears, let god sort them out.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.08.20 07:10:00 - [14] Quote: Maybe I was too Vague, but I am too tired to explain, Eve is Evil, Eve promotes evil acts = my epiphany. And I was trained to do Evil things, I don't seek your forgiveness or even your understanding. I am ok with Evil Maybe my epiphany was that I had forgotten the world is all Evil and to survive you must become Evil too. Kill all carebears, let god sort them out. Totally agree there,, Improve Market Competition!
Cpt Fina Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.08.20 07:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Loaf I came to the realization that Eve is evil and that it promotes only evil acts! If your defenition of evil being causing sorrow and pain upon other players then i have to disagree with you. In a large part of the Eve-universe such behavior is punished by the game (Concord) and thus you could say Eve promotes good behaviour. Originally by: Loaf Only pirates in Eve succeed! CCP encourages only acts of Evil and violence, The good guy always looses in Eve. Again, your defenition of evil is a bit vauge. I'd also like to know what exactly the good guys loose. Originally by: Loaf In the old days a Battleship was pretty much invincible now it is little more than a hopped up shuttle, why? simple; because CCP nerf'd it, just as they have nerf'd anything that promotes solo playing or players who play an honest game without conflict. What has battleships ability to work solo anything to do with Eve promoting good or evil? I don't see the logic behind this argument tbh. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -TheDagda ([email protected])
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.20 07:31:00 - [16] YOu could be playing for 22 years, and been on the original CCP Dev Team, and I would still call you a n00b. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Falbala Gallente Les Enfants de Gaia	Posted - 2007.08.20 07:47:00 - [17] If you were going to kill all the carebears who would mine scordite? You can succeed docked at a station and playing with the market but of course the market is evil too.
Florio Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.20 07:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Florio on 20/08/2007 07:57:27 Originally by: Loaf Eve is evil and that it promotes only evil acts! Eve promotes groups. Being a member of a group involves making sacrifices (isk or time usually) for others - being altruistic. Altruism is not evil. Originally by: Loaf I almost wish I were still ignorant like the rest of you We're not ignorant, you're just arrogant.
Kastar Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:00:00 - [19] one question ? what were your standings towards the occupants of the space you were in ? Because If you didn't have any, it would have been "a risk", not an act of evilness that got you killed. -----------------------------------------------
OneofSix	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:20:00 - [20] I wanted to reply with a long post - but I think these quotes sums up what I wanted to say: "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it." - Martin Luther King Jr. "There is no explanation for evil. It must be looked upon as a necessary part of the order of the universe. To ignore it is childish, to bewail it senseless." - W.Somerset Maugham

Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Loaf Maybe I was too Vague, but I am too tired to explain, Eve is Evil, Eve promotes evil acts = my epiphany. And I was trained to do Evil things, I don't seek your forgiveness or even your understanding. I am ok with Evil Maybe my epiphany was that I had forgotten the world is all Evil and to survive you must become Evil too. Kill all carebears, let god sort them out. There is no evil, there is no good there is only practicality in EVE. Ransoming your ship for money is not good or evil it is merely a way for them to receive some money in a game. However, I chose not to pirate. I chose not to scam. Why? Because I have enough empathy to know how bad I would feel if it happened to me. In conclusion harden up.
Raekone	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:52:00 - [22] Meh this is tosh, I never got my arse handed to me as badly and frequently as when I played as a pirate a couple of years ago.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar Soliders Of Eve The Makhai	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Loaf I almost wish I were still ignorant like the rest of you; Noob
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.20 09:01:00 - [24] The most evil parts of EVE are: a) carebearing; b) posting on CAOD;
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2007.08.20 09:12:00 - [25] Maybe you should use a PvP fitted ship for your NPC ratting, makes it much more fun when someone tries to take advantage of you.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.08.20 09:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Loaf Only pirates in Eve succeed! CCP encourages only acts of blobbing and gangbangs, The outnumbered always looses in Eve. In the old days a Battleship was pretty much invincible now it is little more than a hopped up shuttle, why? simple; because CCP nerf'd it, just as they have nerf'd anything that promotes solo playing or players who play an honest game without bringing 6934565 people to a fight. So I must either give in to the wishes of CCP and become an alliance minion, join one of the many marauding bands of idiots who play killboards, thieves, cheats and killers, go out and attack the hapless miners or noobs, or give up the game. It is a said day, I almost wish I were still ignorant like the rest of you; mind you that reading this; doesn't give you your own "epiphany" I promise you if it does Eve will no longer be the game you once new and enjoyed. Before I close let me post a question, if I am right and Eve is EVIL, am I going to go to Hell now? Maybe I am already there. Fixed. Caldari and proud
Griller SW Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2007.08.20 09:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Loaf Maybe I was too Vague, but I am too tired to explain, Eve is Evil, Eve promotes evil acts = my epiphany. And I was trained to do Evil things, I don't seek your forgiveness or even your understanding. I am ok with Evil Maybe my epiphany was that I had forgotten the world is all Evil and to survive you must become Evil too. Kill all carebears, let god sort them out. Took you long enough to figure out... I knew this when I got pwned the first time I was looking at belts on my first 0.4 excursion... (cursed Thorax and its blaster/drones) Been trying to avoid those unpleasant encounters ever since ------ No good deed goes unpunished...
Raven Hyperbollic Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 10:07:00 - [28] Yeah eve seems to bring out the worst of human nature for some reason. Just goes to show you what people might do in a lawless society? The idea that this game brings nothing like laws in 0.0 is cool because alliances can form and create these laws. If not followed they get booted. Yes not exactly a death penalty or putting people in stocks and get rotten apples thrown at you, but generally when laws are given to people by the 'tribe' they kind of follow them or show that they are following them. I bet a bunch of Psychologists would have a field day examining human nature and behavior in this game. I'd make a nice read.
Kokoshu Caldari Militaris	Posted - 2007.08.20 10:11:00 - [29] 4 years 62mill Skill points and you realsie eve isnt hello kitty online, face it you got caught with your pants down because you wasnt paying attention. DUDE 2 Battle Cruisers managed to scan you, warp to you, get in range lock you before you could safe spot. seriously
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 10:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Loaf Out come the armchair philosophizers! I wasn't complaining and yes I know I was in dangerous space, alone and pretty much likely to get my tail feathers waxed! If you paid attention to what I posted I did point out I AM NO NOOB! 4 years and 62 mil skill points! I merely pointed out the "epiphany" I guess it is possible you don't know the meaning of the word so I apologize for your ignorance. The point of my discussion I guess is what are we becoming by playing Eve, what are we teaching our children. I myself am already taught; a combat veteran, former Navy Seal, I've been to Hell and sent others there. So I guess if Eve is evil, I am home. But go ahead and philosophize I am sure someone will enjoy it. dude, go to church or something, let me play my COMPUTERGAME. GAME. GAMMMEEEEE. the game doesnt make you evil. it is your propensity for evil in the first place..... watching the excorcist doesnt make me a satanist now does it? ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt you sad little exploiting metagamer."



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