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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:15:00 -
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I'm asking kindly, that this thread stays open soley for the benefit of the RP community and our ability to understand the current siuation in more depth.
I linked to my concerns on a forum outside Eve's Official site and was advised if I felt the need by CCP Ginger to create a new thread with the questions in it after being a bit irate at the fact they were removed with no message left to explain why :
 Originally by: CCP Ginger
Im not sure, ill check up, but I think its because its a QA only dev blog. Feel free to start a new thread guys to express your unhappiness.
Hence, this thread has appeared.
I posted several questions in the new live Dev Blog thread in the Eve Information Portal, which were promptly removed.
The live Dev Blog thread relates to the Quality Assurance department who in effect are responsible for the assuring the game remains balanced, relatively bug free and playable.
For members of the RP community, the shutdown of AURORA will mean that the quality of the roleplayed events that we're fed is liable to change, severely affecting gameplay and character development opportunities. Hence the questions and concerns relating to quality assurance.
Despite the people who frown on the whole RP scene in Eve, it still has a large following and has added a lot of history to Eve's backstory over the span of more than four years. With these changes implemented to the structure of ISD it will leave a lot of players high and dry in terms of in character gameplay unless something is set to replace it.
This is by no means a demand for answers but it would be appreciated if there was a solid response from an overseer of AURORA, or CCP's developers who work on ARCs with them.
Some members of the community have put four solid years into RP in Eve, and it's come as a sudden shock to see AURORA effectively disbanded so abruptly, especially given CCP's annoucement of the ability to support a chosen faction in the Fourth Alliance tournament.
So, the questions...
1) Given the recent annoucement regarding the situation of the AURORA team, how do CCP plan to run ingame events and ensuring the continued forward progress of the game's backstory in the immediate future?
2) There has been a lot of concern shown from the RP community regarding the lack of advancement in some very important ARCs such as the Amarr sucession, which are potentially gamebreaking on in character terms for those who choose to support the intended factions.
What is CCP's intention long term with regards to providing a stable and flowing RP background for those who choose to roleplay?
3) With the effective disbandment of the AURORA team coming around in future, will we see a more generalised scope of RP based events in future rather than a focus on the four main factions, which at some point has left pirate factions and the minor sovereign entities such as the Khanid Kingdom and Ammatar Mandate in the shade?
4) Also with regards to future RP, is there any plan to cater for those people whom choose not to allign themselves to a Faction? The lack of support for this has been highlighted and seen most prominently with the prizes offered for the Fourth Alliance Tournament. In effect the question is; are there any plans to encourage more dynamic RP within the Eve community?
Any expansion and clarity on what has already been announced would be very much appreicated 
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Phyrr
Minmatar
Firing Squad
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:35:00 -
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I'm not a RP'er myself, but maybe factional warfare and it's surrounding events will continue the RP in EvE.
Like I said I don't know much about this area, but this thought occured to me.
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V0rador
Amarr
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: V0rador on 22/08/2007 11:41:17
Edited by: V0rador on 22/08/2007 11:39:43
Well tbh right now RP in eve :
Topic of molle saying am going to bbq all of you.
Seleene saying we have bbq everybody.
Tri posting cats and goats pictures.
Goons doing **** with bees pictures.
Iac once every 3 month with a new outpost announcement.
Like everything else and roleplay too : "We'll see in Rev III".
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:39:00 -
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I tend to agree, we need some kind of communication when it comes to the RP side now. Also there must be a reason for the change which seems to have been kept from the community. Not good IMO.
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Phyrr
Minmatar
Firing Squad
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: V0rador
Well tbh right now RP in eve :
Topic of molle saying am going to bbq all of you.
Seleene saying we have bbq everybody.
Tri posting cats and goats pictures.
Goons doing **** with bees pictures.
Iac once every 3 month with a new outpost announcement.
Like everything "We'll see in Rev III".
Yea I'm sorta in that (expletive)storm right now lol
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:40:00 -
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I too would like a response to Verone's concerns. I'm not interested in RP, but I think it important to Eve that that the many rp'ers out there have their concerns answered.
This Dev Blog has 'suddenly' occurred with little preamble/justification so I would also request answers on behalf of those whom it affects.
Follow up/justification/explanation would be great, CCP.
Where do we go from here, please?
Thanks.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: V0rador
Well tbh right now RP in eve :
Topic of molle saying am going to bbq all of you.
Seleene saying we have bbq everybody.
Tri posting cats and goats pictures.
Goons doing **** with bees pictures.
Iac once every 3 month with a new outpost announcement.
Like everything else and roleplay too : "We'll see in Rev III".
RP in Eve doesn't just mean what 0.0 alliances are doing and in my experience most alliance members would say they don't RP. There is lots of RP going on in Empire, some has been ran by Aurora and some by the players themselves.
Like Verone I am very surprised by the sudden closure of Aurora. Although I don't RP often and prefer the player run events and storylines we need an official RP team to keep the background progressing. Also I think Faction Warfare should require more official RP rather than less. I'd like to see some answers or even just general ideas about what CCP plans to do with RP going forward.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.22 11:55:00 -
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This did seem to mostly come out of the blue. Even if it has seemed that in recent weeks/months/however long, AURORA had been slowly backing off anyway.
But yea, I am mostly curious as to why this has happend as AUORORA was a big part of my interest in the game, and what had kept me here. Since events in most other MMOs were just on the rare occasion that Devs thought to have them. While there are many events that players create themselves, the ones AURORA does can function in ways that the players don't have access to. So yea, not too happy, but curious as to why when it is a volunteer thingy as well.
And as an aside, the bit about CRC seemed to come even more out of the blue, when the forum needs moderation more than ever.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Lathbury
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Lathbury on 22/08/2007 12:00:31
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I would also be very interested to hear how CCP address the specific questions Verone posed above as well as the general rumblings that the RP element, which I feel has had some significant work done on it in the past, is seeming to fall down the priority list at CCP when it comes to new content.
Hell, I'd LIKE to see a new Amarr Emperor, I'm a minimatar and proud of it, but I like to know who I'm aiming at.
Backstory is thematic and well worthwhile, but for my money its the ongoing events that mark EvE out as the place to be; events that are both player events and CCP ones.
Meh, not exactly a brilliant insight from me, but more an expression of interest.
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Astarte Nosferatu
We Know Derek
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:01:00 -
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The moment you enter EvE-Online, you are roleplaying.
Some players however, wish to immerse themselves deeper into the background fiction of the game, taking the roleplay more serious than most Outer Region alliances.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lathbury
is seeming to fall down the priority list at CCP when it comes to new content.
I can see it falling down in the priority list, since there are things I'd consider more important. However, this makes it seem like the floor just fell out from under it.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:04:00 -
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shouldnt there be an amarr heir by now? For every day that CCP fights to maintain a good image, they turn around and do something that makes everyone go WTF?
the current server issues (which is a VERY mild way of putting it)
The trading forum spat (wtf was that?)
EVE TV (just: ???)
Non action on the part of ISK sellers... (why...)
and now RP... aurora is killed without a mention....
Graphix update is around the corner but no official movie or screenies yet (its inbound before end of 2007 right??)
ambulation is coming, but we havent seen squat on that besides the low rez tentonhammer clip. (WANT MOAR!)
Theres supposed to be an external comittee for IA right??? (dead before it left the nest)
what are you guys up to? I say it's money saving time and the RP staff got the sack, cause they cost too much. CCP is truly weirdness these days: you guys aint putting forth the image of a sane or quality company guys.... whats up?
Is this corporate mismanagement? lack of resources? Unprofessionalism?!
WHAT GIVES CCP!!!!!
Give me a reason....to love you..... !!!???
HEAR YE HEAR YE!! I prophesize the following both factional warfare and the graphix update will be pushed back to Q1 2008. I bet a million ISK.
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Soratah
Amarr
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:04:00 -
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Two problems I guess could of caused it.
1) AURORA RP are run by volunteers who have access to sensitive information about large plot arcs which can be exploited by said volunteers for immediate benefits.
2) It's a diseased organisation that runs pre-scripted events with little or no interactivity. Most of the decent RP is actually being generated from the RP corps in the universe and people are getting involved in their own.
Essentially if CCP take over directly we can have much more input in events and may actually be allowed to change the story to put our own names in history.
Not given terrible and spurious lines like "It's not the ending but taking part that counts." Which is an old ethic you would expect to get from a single-player point and click adventure NOT a supposedly "dyanamic RP environment."
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Graphix update is around the corner but no official movie or screenies yet (its inbound before end of 2007 right??)
<-- *points to EVE Videos button*
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Kastar
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:11:00 -
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Reading this, my first reaction would be "wtf, no more RP supervison ?", though I'm not really surprised.
Verone's questions need to be addressed though to insure that this very important aspect is covered. Any community needs supervision in order to allow it to grow in a healthy way, same goes for RP community. This game without RP would become at least to say more superficial.
It's only indirectly related to the OP, but I would like to kindly request to see some numbers on how the CCP staff is divided and how many people are attributed to the different departments. For some reason or another I have the feeling that this is yet another step in the process of leaving the "niche market" we once were in, finishing the small units and entering the mainstream world of commerce and marketing to make Eve a bigger product. (though I'm in a pessimist mood today due to other stuff)
Please prove me wrong and insure the community there's a better solution coming.
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Kastar
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
WHAT GIVES CCP!!!!!
Give me a reason....to love you..... !!!???
Nicely put while I was typing my post :) but it has a point. Mostly I feel Eve is not "our" Eve anymore but some sort of a diseased heir of what originally was Eve Online before REV or even RMR.
The sad part is that the elder lot of the community talks about all these glitches in a funny way and tries to laugh them off. (cfr battle report... yadda yadda, lag won, didn't see who shot me  )
Sorry, my first whine in a long time...I always enjoyed the RP stuff.
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Cornucopian
Graphix update is around the corner but no official movie or screenies yet (its inbound before end of 2007 right??)
<-- *points to EVE Videos button*
yeah... I see a revelations 2 trailer, and nothing on the graphix update. All the new shipmodels I've seen, i've gotten from the awesome thread about the new graphix.... but lets not get the thread derailed.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Cornucopian
Graphix update is around the corner but no official movie or screenies yet (its inbound before end of 2007 right??)
<-- *points to EVE Videos button*
yeah... I see a revelations 2 trailer, and nothing on the graphix update. All the new shipmodels I've seen, i've gotten from the awesome thread about the new graphix.... but lets not get the thread derailed.
Click here, it was under 3d Engine Tests.. Okay, back on track now.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.08.22 12:45:00 -
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Good riddance to AURORA tbh.
I was pleased as anything when I saw VETO getting news items on the login screen.
A few months later I got pulled into an Aurora event for being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time.
It was obvious which corp had been pre-selected for Tea and Medals before the event took place, and that my being there was just a script ad hoc that could not have changed the outcome. Evidenced by the Aurora flewn Indestructacaracal who's removal would have ended the "story" right there and then.
When I saw the "winning" team on the login news, I realised what a crock Aurora was and shouldn't even be in the game.
Then the revelations of the "secret aurora" program came out. Having seen public Aurora in action, "secret aurora" was no surprise.
If players want a story, they should make their own, without CCP showering them with free goodies.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.08.22 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
If players want a story, they should make their own, without CCP showering them with free goodies.
So I'll announce I'm the Amarrian Emperor, you'll announce I'm a heretic and you are the rightful emperor and PIE will war dec both of us for being foreigners. Yeah really great idea.
For some things there must be an official storyline or the game becomes a farce. The group who ran those official stories has been removed without warning or explanation. We deserve some message from the powers that be to clarify what is going on.
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar
The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.08.22 14:11:00 -
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* events team starts an event
*dosent finish said event
*tries to get people excited about rp
*fails on promises
*starts new arc
*we hear nothing for 6 months and then they expect us to leap at their bone
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Major Stallion
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.22 14:22:00 -
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Judging by the disappointment being voiced over the removal of aurora from the game it appears to me that most of you cared so little about RP that you missed the god damn news item about this MONTHS ago.
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Nuyan Zahedi
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 15:11:00 -
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Well, it won't be the end of RP or something. Ofcourse not. RP won't die unless you let it for you personally. Aurora only plays a minor part for many immersionalists. RP corporations really don't rely on Aurora.
But. It is very nice to actually have npc factions doing things ingame. As I said in this post here, you don't have to be involved in the actual event to like it. It's nice to see a news-article and know that it actually really happened ingame, it's nice to see and hear of the Amarr Navy doing a patrol through Domain. It's a nice feeling that some npc authories actually might do something with you involved in the future. And say whatever you want, I'm sure there've been mistakes made by Aurora in the past, but they haven't hurted the game in anyway and they certainly added more than they ruined.
As for the future. I really hope there'll continue to be some ingame events. I don't see the big advantage of letting paid employees do this instead of passionate volunteers though. But I read about more focus on forum/news and no ingame stuff. Personally I always prefer the ingame stuff. I see IGS as a nice place for corporations to post their announcements, but pod-pilots engaging on lenghty forum-debates always look slightly silly to me. I also hope CCP will continue to put some focus on the RP aspect of the game, unlike pretty much all other MMO developers, and not turn it into some counter-strike in space. ;)
But more news-articles about happenings of npc factions/corporations be really welcome. It's one of the better ways to add RP/immersion to the game and less hassle compared to in-game events. Also it'd be great to involve the big 0.0 alliances more and more, I loved those interviews with some of them in the past. It's all roleplay. Just force the playerbase into immersion!
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Good riddance to AURORA tbh.
I was pleased as anything when I saw VETO getting news items on the login screen.
A few months later I got pulled into an Aurora event for being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time.
It was obvious which corp had been pre-selected for Tea and Medals before the event took place, and that my being there was just a script ad hoc that could not have changed the outcome. Evidenced by the Aurora flewn Indestructacaracal who's removal would have ended the "story" right there and then.
When I saw the "winning" team on the login news, I realised what a crock Aurora was and shouldn't even be in the game.
Then the revelations of the "secret aurora" program came out. Having seen public Aurora in action, "secret aurora" was no surprise.
If players want a story, they should make their own, without CCP showering them with free goodies.
THIS is what I suspected, no wonder this team has been closed down, no doubt it was corrupt. BUT CCP we need you to announce wtf has gone on because to be honest we derserve answers, if certain alliances and corps have been "favored" over others then no doubt its gone too far and you either tell us whats going on or people will start leaving due to you trying to ONCE AGAIN cover stuff up.
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:14:00 -
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Once again, I'd like to call for a little more transparency on what the **** is going on with CCP.
Closing Aurora is a stupid idea unless there were major reasons, stop giving us this crap about adapting and moving on with the game as it changes, give us a real reason and you may avoid all these people getting miffed and eventually leaving the game.
The post I saw from Wrangler I think it was recently springs to mind, he countered a point made by someone that people were getting bitter and leaving by saying 'last time I checked, subscription numbers were on the up'.
Seems to say alot about the current attitude towards the income-source, sorry, players.
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.08.22 18:14:00 -
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Once again, I'd like to call for a little more transparency on what the **** is going on with CCP.
Closing Aurora is a stupid idea unless there were major reasons, stop giving us this crap about adapting and moving on with the game as it changes, give us a real reason and you may avoid all these people getting miffed and eventually leaving the game.
The post I saw from Wrangler I think it was recently springs to mind, he countered a point made by someone that people were getting bitter and leaving by saying 'last time I checked, subscription numbers were on the up'.
Seems to say alot about the current attitude towards the income-source, sorry, players.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.08.22 19:02:00 -
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To put it bluntly, it is painfully obvious why AURORA as it stands now is being shut down, and what will happend.
Long story short, CCP caved in to external pressure consisting mainly allegation of "AURORA corruption" and decided to shut down the involvement of non-CCP-employees in the storyline arcs.
Wether the allegations were actually true, highly exagerated or downright false doesn't really matter, it casts a very bad light on the company as a whole, and they really had no choice.
Want to blame somebody for AURORA closing down ?
Blame the ones shouting "AURORA is corrupt" mainly.
While I have no doubt some of it might actually be true, the level of "conspiracy theorist" activity in the forums here and in other places too is doubtful to be representative of the actual level of "nasty things" going on in AURORA.
On the flipside, if they were correct, then sacking AURORA was a good choice.
So, why "no volunteers" ? That's an easy answer.
Employees (as opposed to volunteers) are easier to punish, therefore easier to control.
Now, the only question is, will CCP actually HIRE new people that will take over the RP arcs "acting"... or will they simply call it a loss and heavily drop the level of the "organised RP" events ?
I certainly hope CCP sees that roleplay is an important element in some capsuleer's lives, so that they opt for a stronger representation of roleplay events in the game world.
I mean, heck, even recruit some of the old AURORA trusted members in the new employee program, and have them run events 23/7 (as a team, dammit, 10 hours per day per person is enough heh)... as a job, not as a casual past-time, like it used to be.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.22 19:54:00 -
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Well, it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it was closed due to corruption.
I was excited to hear about such RP events when I was new to eve, and even spent some time trying to get involved in them. I found it a frustrating and information-less experience. Judging by what I've learned since then, the events were probably left half-finished and certainly were not publicized enough to easily gather information.
So...if the whole Aurora team is disbanded, I personally think its a good thing. Cuz the old team certainly didn't deliver very well. Instead of just closing down the concept, please redesign it and get it properly intergrated and publicized.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.08.22 21:41:00 -
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Wow people in coad are guessing left right and center about who will be the next to bail on the bob bandwagon... don't think anyone guessed it would be aurora!
Where am i going to get my free **** from now?!
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Shitzen Giggles
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.22 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Soratah
1) AURORA RP are run by volunteers who have access to sensitive information about large plot arcs which can be exploited by said volunteers for immediate benefits.
So now it will just be exploits and corruption from more in-house and paid personnel?
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