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Milk Caldari Deviance Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:33:00 - [1] I feel like a newbie again... or perhaps I never grew out of it, but I have no idea about captial ships, despite almost being able to fly them. I could only sufficiently fly a Phoenix with the skilss I have.. and wonderd if its worth holding out for a Moros (however the Gallante version is spelt). I wondered if anyone could write experiences of both ships, and if they felt their value was worthwhile.. or am I just better off buying HAC's and command ships for PvP? ________________________________________________ You know whats good for you.
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:39:00 - [2] Originally by: Milk I feel like a newbie again... or perhaps I never grew out of it, but I have no idea about captial ships, despite almost being able to fly them. I could only sufficiently fly a Phoenix with the skilss I have.. and wonderd if its worth holding out for a Moros (however the Gallante version is spelt). I wondered if anyone could write experiences of both ships, and if they felt their value was worthwhile.. or am I just better off buying HAC's and command ships for PvP? dreads in PvP? only if you plan on engaging other caps, or a fleet of BS's. Better off training for a carrier iv you want a cap ship for pvp =) just my opinion anyway. ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:41:00 - [3] Dreads are designed to be POS killers, and that's a job they do very well. They're none too shabby at attacking other capital ships (especially after the changes coming in Rev 2.2 to capital ship sig radius) either. For fighting non-capital ships, though, they're not best suited. Carriers are better at it. --------
Milk Caldari Deviance Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:42:00 - [4] Nice advice.. tbh the idea was to chase after BS and other Capital ships. ________________________________________________ You know whats good for you.
Milk Caldari Deviance Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Patch86 For fighting non-capital ships, though, they're not best suited. Carriers are better at it. I thought Carriers were used as support to assign drones to other players? Or are they just immense CAP ****s that are tough to take down? ________________________________________________ You know whats good for you.*
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Milk Originally by: Patch86 For fighting non-capital ships, though, they're not best suited. Carriers are better at it. I thought Carriers were used as support to assign drones to other players? Or are they just immense CAP *****s that are tough to take down? Well aside from their immense logistics bonuses, their fighters spit out some serious DPS against ships of all sizes. For a general all-purpose PvP ship, it comes in easily above the more specialised Dreads. --------
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:55:00 - [7] Summary: For fun PVP, forget dreads/carriers. Originally by: Milk write experiences of both ships, and if they felt their value was worthwhile IMHO, capitals are quite essential to modern warfare, but they are not that fun. - Dreads are mostly used for very very boring POS ops; occasionally you'll get chance to participate in capital ganks. - Carriers are mostly used as support platforms (fighter assigning; capital remote repairs, gang mod). Reckon there is room for more aggressive use of small carrier groups in fleet battles as well. - Both shiptypes see very lot of use as logistical haulers as well (might have reduced importance once jump bridge chains get common) -> Useful but in the end, rather boring for PVPer. Atm you can use Phoenix (with target painting pal) and Moros as effective/fun station-hugging anti-ship out-of-siege gank platforms. They can be setuped to be effective in small fleet fights too; but get killed far too easily (considering the cost) to be sensible way. -Lasse for station-hugging nerf
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.08.22 14:58:00 - [8] My Incursus was blown up by a stationcamping Nafalgar once in Amamake... --- Do YOU have what it takes?
Thor Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2007.08.22 15:00:00 - [9] One Heavy Drone on a Moros will outdps a Fighter, in both raw dmg and hit quality. Only the Thanatos (Gallente Carrier with 25% dmg bonus) can outdps the nonSiege Moros without using Drone Control Units. Vertigo One is Recruiting
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.22 15:11:00 - [10] A few of our guys know what its like to face a blaster webbing(40k web) dred.... they got wtf pawned, and well one has to giggle cos the ship was set up as bait and worked great even against small stuff, very very evil, one can also use 10 + webbing drones..... not the most fun to be had unless u can afford the webber.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 15:15:00 - [11] Originally by: SwindonBadger A few of our guys know what its like to face a blaster webbing(40k web) dred.... they got wtf pawned, and well one has to giggle cos the ship was set up as bait and worked great even against small stuff, very very evil, one can also use 10 + webbing drones..... ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Sigos ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 16:16:00 - [12] Originally by: SwindonBadger A few of our guys know what its like to face a blaster webbing(40k web) dred.... they got wtf pawned, and well one has to giggle cos the ship was set up as bait and worked great even against small stuff, very very evil, one can also use 10 + webbing drones..... not the most fun to be had unless u can afford the webber. WTB: Dread with 10 drones
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.22 16:35:00 - [13] 25 m2 for webbing drone/ morros 500 m2 drones bay.... add max skills for dred drones,. or pay the man lots of money and get 40 k web and use combat drones... I don't fly dred some drone numbers might be wrong, but either way it was enough webbing solo to make bs insta pop... someone who got mx skills how many drones can u use on a morros? just know that unless they are in orbit the drones are enough to slow u to get popped.
Milk Caldari Deviance Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.22 18:23:00 - [14] Think I got sold on webbing drones :) Time for another few months of skills then lol. ________________________________________________ You know whats good for you.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.22 18:32:00 - [15] Originally by: SwindonBadger 25 m2 for webbing drone/ morros 500 m2 drones bay.... add max skills for dred drones,. or pay the man lots of money and get 40 k web and use combat drones... I don't fly dred some drone numbers might be wrong, but either way it was enough webbing solo to make bs insta pop... someone who got mx skills how many drones can u use on a morros? just know that unless they are in orbit the drones are enough to slow u to get popped. It's a 50% Drone damage bonus, not total drone amount bonus. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
Akat Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.22 19:09:00 - [16] Dread in siege + rapier or huggin = hilarity.
azura nester Caldari White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2007.08.22 19:31:00 - [17] Edited by: azura nester on 22/08/2007 19:31:50 dreads are usless in pvp unless you are engaging other deads or carriers.a moros wouldent be too bad in pvp though because it gets a 50% bonus to drone damage and hit points. the only thing is, its heavy drones may shread through fleets...but it still wont equal the fighter drones on a carrier.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 19:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Thor Xian One Heavy Drone on a Moros will outdps a Fighter, in both raw dmg and hit quality. Only the Thanatos (Gallente Carrier with 25% dmg bonus) can outdps the nonSiege Moros without using Drone Control Units. Is that so? Looking at the stats: Ogre II = 12 DPS (all therm) with a damage mod of 1.92, while Firbolg = 14 DPS (therm and kin) with a damage mod of 3.5. It's also approaching 3 times faster, and has something like 7 times the amount of shield / armour HP. --------
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.22 19:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Thor Xian One Heavy Drone on a Moros will outdps a Fighter, in both raw dmg and hit quality. Only the Thanatos (Gallente Carrier with 25% dmg bonus) can outdps the nonSiege Moros without using Drone Control Units. Is that so? Looking at the stats: Ogre II = 12 DPS (all therm) with a damage mod of 1.92, while Firbolg = 14 DPS (therm and kin) with a damage mod of 3.5. It's also approaching 3 times faster, and has something like 7 times the amount of shield / armour HP. Are you factoring the 200% bonus drones receive if the pilot has Gallente dread trained to level 4? ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Dracborne Mining Bytes Inc. Mass Destruction.	Posted - 2007.08.22 19:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Akat Dread in siege + rapier or huggin = hilarity. LOL...I've always wanted to try this with a Naglfar and a rapier/huggin, sniping off a low sec gate. Just to see how many 3500mm's it takes to kill vs each ship type. Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tOde keimetha tois keinon rhTmasi peithomenoi.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.22 19:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Thor Xian One Heavy Drone on a Moros will outdps a Fighter, in both raw dmg and hit quality. Only the Thanatos (Gallente Carrier with 25% dmg bonus) can outdps the nonSiege Moros without using Drone Control Units. Is that so? Looking at the stats: Ogre II = 12 DPS (all therm) with a damage mod of 1.92, while Firbolg = 14 DPS (therm and kin) with a damage mod of 3.5. It's also approaching 3 times faster, and has something like 7 times the amount of shield / armour HP. Are you factoring the 200% bonus drones receive if the pilot has Gallente dread trained to level 4? .....No, I'm factoring nothing. I see now... --------
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.22 20:20:00 - [22] You might want to ask RISE how well gatecamping with a dread works. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Sabiokah	Posted - 2007.08.22 20:52:00 - [23] Correct me if im wrong but with decent skill such: Gallente Carrier lvl 4 = +4 fighter Advance drone interfacing lvl 4 = +4 fighter 4 high slot used for drone link but carrier are not really mean for guns anyway. Total fighters: 13. Bonus: Drone interfacing V 100% Fighter lvl 4 80% Thanatos bonus: 40% total: 220% Triage module(on triage only): 14 fighters X2: 28 fighter in space. Your 10 drones on the moros will require 5 high (Advance drone interfacing lvl V) and 2 drone range module to be able to use your drone at a decent range. And your still way below dps of fighters. not much room left for siege guns/siege module ?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.08.22 20:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Sabiokah Correct me if im wrong but with decent skill such: Gallente Carrier lvl 4 = +4 fighter Advance drone interfacing lvl 4 = +4 fighter 4 high slot used for drone link but carrier are not really mean for guns anyway. Total fighters: 13. Bonus: Drone interfacing V 100% Fighter lvl 4 80% Thanatos bonus: 40% total: 220% Triage module(on triage only): 14 fighters X2: 28 fighter in space. Your 10 drones on the moros will require 5 high (Advance drone interfacing lvl V) and 2 drone range module to be able to use your drone at a decent range. And your still way below dps of fighters. not much room left for siege guns/siege module ? The triage module doesn't double the number of fighters you can have out, it lowers it to zero. Also, fighters don't benefit from anything but ship skills and the fighters skill. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Endgame. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.22 20:56:00 - [25] nagelfar with webs/painters/sensor booster is pretty fun... My Personal Killboard

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