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Alien8
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Posted - 2004.02.06 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Alien8 on 09/02/2004 13:52:41
Survival Manual And Carebear Koran
Well ppl, here it is..the long awaited guide to surviving pirates and minimising your losses
First we will be going over a few ground rules.
 1: Do NOT and i repeat NOT log out, you will certainly die.
2: Do not under any circumstances PANIC, even if the pirates are firing upon you they arenŠt gonna kill you, just take your shields down.
3: Again DO NOT LOG OUT, i cannot stress this enough as you WILL die if you do.
4: Do not fire back, it is most likely futile to do so and only angers
those damn pirates who have you warp scrambled and triple webified.
5: If you are indeed caught, donŠt talk smack, most pirates try to behave
courteously and you should also.
6: DonŠt try to run, you will most likely be killed in the attempt.
You have to realize that the pirates donŠt kill for fun (most of them) but instead
rely on your donation to their wallet to keep them supplied of ships and modules
and to that end camp gates and lockdown unsuspecting miners.
Here are 3 examples of ships you might be flying and the possible outcomes of getting
caught. (all prices are approximations and may vary dependent on market fluxuations)
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Example 1 :: High end cruiser
Price of ship - 7.000.000
Modules - 1.000.000 (More if there are any named or Tech II modules on the ship)
Price of insurance - 300.000 (basic insurance)
Implants on person - 15.000.000 (average 3 implants at 5 mil a piece)
Equals = 23.300.000
Insurance Payout = 3.000.000
Loss if ship is destroyed = 20.000.000
Plus Time to buy and refit a ship = 500.000 (time otherwise spent on making money)
Emotional Scarring = 1.000.000
Equals a loss of around 20 mil minimum for a high end cruiser lost to pirates.
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Example 2 :: Tier 1 Battleship (Typhoon, Scorpion, Armageddon, Dominix)
Price of ship - 68.000.000
Modules - 10.000.000 (More if there are any named or Tech II modules on the ship)
Price of insurance - 3.500.000 (basic insurance)
Implants on person - 15.000.000 (average 3 implants at 5 mil a piece)
Equals = 98.500.000
Insurance Payout = 35.000.000
Loss if ship is destroyed = 63.500.000
Plus Time to buy and refit a ship = 5.000.000 (time otherwise spent on making money)
Emotional Scarring = 1.000.000
Equals a loss of around 70 mil minimum for a Tier 1 Battleship lost to pirates.
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Example 3 :: Tier 2 Battleship (Tempest, Raven, Apocalypse, Megathron)
Price of ship - 110.000.000
Modules - 20.000.000 (More if there are any named or Tech II modules on the ship)
Price of insurance - 5.500.000 (basic insurance)
Implants on person - 15.000.000 (average 3 implants at 5 mil a piece)
Equals = 150.500.000
Insurance Payout = 55.000.000
Loss if ship is destroyed = 95.500.000
Plus Time to buy and refit a ship = 5.000.000 (time otherwise spent on making money)
Emotional Scarring = 1.000.000
Equals a loss of around 100 mil minimum for a Tier 2 Battleship lost to pirates.
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I know many will probably dispute these figures but they are average figures and of
course will be lower for some but again they can be a lot higher for others (a valuable
cargo for example might double those numbers).
Obviously you gain nothing by getting blown up or if you self destruct, noone will think
less of you for paying and noone will raise you to hero status if you die.
So as you see the moderate price we demand for keeping systems pirate free is nothing
compared to the loss of your ship.
So the next time you get caught....work to your OWN benefit and leave
in your ship, even though your purse is slightly lighter, still having the ship
makes the money so much easier to replace.
Have a Nice day 
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PussyCat
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Posted - 2004.02.06 15:52:00 -
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GJ 
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.02.06 15:56:00 -
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Equals a loss of around 70 mil minimum for a Tier 1 Battleship lost to pirates.
Depends on where you get them, and what insurance you use
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Alien8
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Posted - 2004.02.06 15:58:00 -
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Of course, these are average numbers and of course some will lose less and others lose more depending on number of implants, modules on ship, insurance, price of ship and other factors.
This though gives ppl the general idea 
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Vix3n
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Posted - 2004.02.06 16:10:00 -
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Nice PR exersice on getting people to pay tolls
when more and more players Are saying NO to Pirates .. and making there "Fun" worthless..
remember kids .. when a pirate ask's for isk
JUST SAY NO
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Garreck
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Posted - 2004.02.06 16:18:00 -
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Death before dishonor.
I'll soak up the cost of a lost ship before I'll put money into the hands of pirates. Otherwise, a well written peice of work.
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
Aku. Soku. Zan. |
Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.06 16:21:00 -
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We have no problem with blowing you away and take your loot can and your corpse if you want to 'Just say NO'. We find that to be fun as well.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.02.06 16:58:00 -
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Would have been nice to also prepare people for how much your going to ask ( ignoring modules and cargo) for each bship.
This is not a hijack
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Zell
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Posted - 2004.02.06 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zell on 06/02/2004 17:23:16
Edited by: Zell on 06/02/2004 17:22:38
Tell them to pound sand..
Self destruct..
Leaveing nothing ..
Join bounty hunter channel and broadcast name, location and ship they are flying.
If you are caught you are going to loose either way. Suck it up and take the hit, deny them everything..
Do you want to loose "some" (and quite possibly all, remeber most rats pod anyway, regardless of what they "say" here or ingame) and probagate more ISKs for rats to do more pirating, or loose "everything" (- insurance) chalk it up to lessons learned, and give nothing ...
For non-rat players, money is easy, if nothing more then time. Pirates spend hours and hours waiting on prey. enough ppl do this and pizzrats game evolves into spending hours at a gate/belt, dodging bounty hunters, raking in nothing and crying nerf carebears...
"Priceless...
"A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.." |
Alien8
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Posted - 2004.02.06 18:50:00 -
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Join bounty hunter channel and broadcast name, location and ship they are flying.
If you are caught you are going to loose either way. Suck it up and take the hit, deny them everything..
Well, the point of the post was to show ppl how to minimise their losses, if you self destruct then you lose everything. If you pay you lose that specific amount of cash.
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Do you want to loose "some" (and quite possibly all, remeber most rats pod anyway, regardless of what they "say" here or ingame) and probagate more ISKs for rats to do more pirating, or loose "everything" (- insurance) chalk it up to lessons learned, and give nothing ...
Most rats do NOT pod or kill after payment has been made, that is a point of honor (among thieves?) and would certainly only lead to ppl not paying.
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For non-rat players, money is easy, if nothing more then time. Pirates spend hours and hours waiting on prey. enough ppl do this and pizzrats game evolves into spending hours at a gate/belt, dodging bounty hunters, raking in nothing and crying nerf carebears...
"Priceless...
Well, for pirates money is also easy, do you really think pirating is all we do ? Most pirates have alts (or main characters) leading "normal" lives in EvE. So refusing to pay only makes the loss heavier on YOU and a bit more amusing to us. 
Have a nice day
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Zell
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Posted - 2004.02.06 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zell on 06/02/2004 19:15:47
Edited by: Zell on 06/02/2004 19:15:12
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Join bounty hunter channel and broadcast name, location and ship they are flying.
If you are caught you are going to loose either way. Suck it up and take the hit, deny them everything..
Well, the point of the post was to show ppl how to minimise their losses, if you self destruct then you lose everything. If you pay you lose that specific amount of cash.
By impowering "Prats to dictate what you will or won't loose, , you increase thier "power" and decrease your own...I deny you the right to impose your whims on me..
Ive seen these "rats" demand mils from newbes, low time played chars (yes, ive looked), and the like. My point is theres no point in rewarding pirate behavior. Losses mean nothing, if its got a pricetag, its replaceable...
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Do you want to loose "some" (and quite possibly all, remeber most rats pod anyway, regardless of what they "say" here or ingame) and probagate more ISKs for rats to do more pirating, or loose "everything" (- insurance) chalk it up to lessons learned, and give nothing ...
Most rats do NOT pod or kill after payment has been made, that is a point of honor (among thieves?) and would certainly only lead to ppl not paying.
Saying this with conviction does not make it true....I see more posts from ppl saying "i was never convo'd " then podded as from ppl saying, " was given ample time to respond to demands...
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For non-rat players, money is easy, if nothing more then time. Pirates spend hours and hours waiting on prey. enough ppl do this and pizzrats game evolves into spending hours at a gate/belt, dodging bounty hunters, raking in nothing and crying nerf carebears...
"Priceless...
Well, for pirates money is also easy, do you really think pirating is all we do ? Most pirates have alts (or main characters) leading "normal" lives in EvE. So refusing to pay only makes the loss heavier on YOU and a bit more amusing to us.
You make my point for me. By playing your alts/main chars, while making money (in lue of ratting) you are not a pirate, nor are you extorting ppl for cash you can make "liget"..ending your pirating time...and THAT, is amusing to the rest of us..
Have a nice day
Right back at you...
"A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.." |
Leitari
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Posted - 2004.02.06 19:56:00 -
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Zell, if thats the only thing you have to contribute to this post I suggest you shut your trap.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Zell
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Posted - 2004.02.06 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Zell on 06/02/2004 20:48:33
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Zell, if thats the only thing you have to contribute to this post I suggest you shut your trap.
And just what did you "contribute to this post?"
ahhhh k'
thxbye
and have a cookie, troll
"A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.." |
Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2004.02.06 20:57:00 -
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Zell is right..
Cut off your nose to spite your face, always self-destruct.
Got Banana? |
Skokeh
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Posted - 2004.02.06 21:05:00 -
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We have no problem with blowing you away and take your loot can and your corpse if you want to 'Just say NO'. We find that to be fun as well.
i prefer it tbh
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.02.06 21:56:00 -
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2 battleships can destroy another battleship within 50 seconds.
nuff said.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Sissycat
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Posted - 2004.02.06 22:09:00 -
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2 battleships can destroy another battleship within 50 seconds.
nuff said.
nub'
A sissy you will never forget |
Darodem
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Posted - 2004.02.06 22:26:00 -
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Well, the point of the post was to show ppl how to minimise their losses, if you self destruct then you lose everything. If you pay you lose that specific amount of cash.
Well this is an example of short term thinking, the fact is that if you don't self destruct piracy will happen more because you will support it.
Any pilot worth his salt considers his ship and modules expendable the moment he leaves dock... its about having a purpose versus aimlessly acquiring resources.
I consider it good sportsmanship to fight it out though and let them have any left over modules. However, PAY...never.
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Fenris'ar
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Posted - 2004.02.06 22:50:00 -
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Well i follow my leader BUT its much more fun killing so dont pay.. But thats my opinion
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Garreck
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Posted - 2004.02.06 23:02:00 -
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I consider it good sportsmanship to fight it out though and let them have any left over modules. However, PAY...never.
I think you just hit the nail square on the head my Minmatar friend...
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
Aku. Soku. Zan. |
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Alien8
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Posted - 2004.02.06 23:15:00 -
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Well this is an example of short term thinking, the fact is that if you don't self destruct piracy will happen more because you will support it.
Well, thats not exactly true, i have a very wealthy player in the game and he supplies me with everything i need. Ships, ammo and tech II modules. I actually have no specific need for the cash, but for my part it is more fun to get money than to kill ppl  like the other day i lost 2 scorps in a single day, yet i still have 2 extra BSŠs i can use when i need....
So....self destruct if you want...
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Fenris'ar
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Posted - 2004.02.06 23:49:00 -
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Jebs, listen to the man :)
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Triniton
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Posted - 2004.02.07 00:13:00 -
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ZOMBIE PRUNES! |
Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.07 03:21:00 -
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2 battleships can destroy another battleship within 50 seconds.
nuff said.
u dont say-maybe a bship in mining setup
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Help keep carebear population under control!!!! POD U LATER |
scouting
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Posted - 2004.02.07 04:03:00 -
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6: DonŠt try to run, you will most likely be killed in the attempt.
works for you guys 
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Last nights patch, was, without doubt, the worst ever. Rest assured that I was on the forum within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world. |
Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.07 14:01:00 -
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Quote:
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2 battleships can destroy another battleship within 50 seconds.
nuff said.
u dont say-maybe a bship in mining setup
Nope, it doesn't matter either, we can if not aheered to our terms, kill them as quickly as any others.
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.02.07 23:20:00 -
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I always self-destruct now.
Travelling is a risk, and I'm b*ggered if I'm pandering to a pirate that graciously deigns to spare my life for a few million isk.
They destroy/pod me/whatever, get NOTHING because I self-destruct - and I have to spend 20 minutes trading to recoup the losses (anything valuable I transport with 2 BS escorts at a minimum).
It's about time that pirates started having to take a few more risks to make some money.
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2004.02.08 15:21:00 -
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it's easy to be hard faced on a forum but the fact of the matter is most people would rather pay. More often than not I don't give the option (mostly due to the cretinous posts made on this forum) and just love the convo's with them snivelling at me pi$$ed off that I never gave them a chance to pay. I'm so bored of the game and the people I get off on the cheap thrill of blowing someone up.
Get blown up or self destruct? I don't really care, you're still losing money because of me
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Rob Mattacks
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Posted - 2004.02.08 15:26:00 -
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Prefer to do a bit of mining the next week to pay for new ship than to give the satisfaction of lining a pirates wallet.
Remember Pirates in this game are missing something in real life...trust me i have researched this
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.02.08 16:06:00 -
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we get people that try to self destruct, they dont realize that it takes a long time to self destruct, we get the message once that starts and we concentrate all our fire on that single ship killing it under a minute. Our hangar is proof of that, its loaded with guns, mods, drones, minerals and other valuables from ships that are foolish enough to even think of self destructing.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.02.08 16:57:00 -
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I find it amusing that you take this so seriously.
:)
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.08 17:25:00 -
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If you have to self destruct and pay isk for the pleasure of showing us fireworks, by all means do so. Just remeber that you will most likely be podkilled too and if you have four or five implants, that's your problem.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2004.02.08 20:49:00 -
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That's the point, we're losing isk anyway, and we have the "word" of a pirate not to graciously blow us up afterwards.
I'm always doubtful of the phrase "honour amongst thieves", whoever thought it up needs to have their head examined. They live life by breaking the rules, why should *this* rule be different.
Just imaging the laughter as you pay your 5 million isk, and then get blown up anyway...I can hear them laughing from here.
:)
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Lexus666
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Posted - 2004.02.09 00:06:00 -
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2: Do not under any circumstances PANIC, even if the pirates are firing upon you they arenŠt gonna kill you, just take your shields down.
Hmm, seems I wasn't extended the courtesy of being a carebear as I saw my armor and structure begininng to depleted. Even with 10 or so you couldn't kill my Scorp so hard luck and see you again.
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Triniton
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Posted - 2004.02.09 00:16:00 -
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ThatŠs just because u are KOS and yeah we didnt manage to kill u cos u had double MWD, laterŠs
ZOMBIE PRUNES! |
LeMoose
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Posted - 2004.02.09 12:24:00 -
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nice guide. this topic deserves a sticky.
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Agan Rafa
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:01:00 -
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**yawn**
Since when is piracy official ? It goes like this - kill me I put price on your head, kill me again I put higher price on your head, and so on. I fly cheap ships with little insurance so I can afford it, believe me - my losses can and will be compensated. I shall never submit to the 'rules' of a pirate, ever !!!!
Your presence on the trade lanes is a momentary nuisance - no more - law and order shall prevail in the long run...
Carebear extraordinaire |
Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Steini OFSI on 09/02/2004 14:20:49
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**yawn**
Since when is piracy official ? It goes like this - kill me I put price on your head, kill me again I put higher price on your head, and so on. I fly cheap ships with little insurance so I can afford it, believe me - my losses can and will be compensated. I shall never submit to the 'rules' of a pirate, ever !!!!
Your presence on the trade lanes is a momentary nuisance - no more - law and order shall prevail in the long run...
S.M.A.C.K. talk anyone . It's so easy to be a tough guy when you are not in the situation, I'm sure you can afford your ships, but there are many who would rather keep them instead of getting them blown up. Don't support piracy, well I'm a self appointed jump gate customs officer, since CONCORD doesn't come to stop our work, I consider the system ours and without any laws than those we decide ourselves.
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WhiteSnake
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:28:00 -
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Here is a guide about how you can maximize your ...fun
1st. find a victim (bigger ship, greater fun)
2nd. according with your calculations donate him 100 mils
3rd. blow him and podkill him
with this way, you get your fun,and you have the victim (customer) satisfied, and ready to get another ship to give you more fun.
eeeerrr or you doing piracy just for the money, or becouse you are too lazy to make money with any other way, hmmmmmmm
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Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.09 17:05:00 -
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eeeerrr or you doing piracy just for the money, or becouse you are too lazy to make money with any other way, hmmmmmmm
For the money and the thrill. Beats empire space...
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Agan Rafa
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Posted - 2004.02.09 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Steini OFSI on 09/02/2004 14:20:49
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**yawn**
Since when is piracy official ? It goes like this - kill me I put price on your head, kill me again I put higher price on your head, and so on. I fly cheap ships with little insurance so I can afford it, believe me - my losses can and will be compensated. I shall never submit to the 'rules' of a pirate, ever !!!!
Your presence on the trade lanes is a momentary nuisance - no more - law and order shall prevail in the long run...
S.M.A.C.K. talk anyone. It's so easy to be a tough guy when you are not in the situation, I'm sure you can afford your ships, but there are many who would rather keep them instead of getting them blown up. Don't support piracy, well I'm a self appointed jump gate customs officer, since CONCORD doesn't come to stop our work, I consider the system ours and without any laws than those we decide ourselves.
I shall be logging a formal complaint with the senate next time I pass by there. There can be no excuse for this behaviour, this is Empire space, not pirate space. In addition I will be directing Concorde to your proximity, and certainly wish you a : Jolly nice day !!!!
Carebear extraordinaire |
PainBall
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Posted - 2004.02.10 11:34:00 -
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omgomgomg /emote hides 
you would not want to come with concord btw
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Fenris'ar
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Posted - 2004.02.11 01:05:00 -
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Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.11 13:43:00 -
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I don't like concord, mkay.
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Alien8
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Posted - 2004.02.13 01:48:00 -
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plzzzzz pay, i feel bad about killing pplz
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.13 02:27:00 -
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"That's the point, we're losing isk anyway, and we have the "word" of a pirate not to graciously blow us up afterwards.
I'm always doubtful of the phrase "honour amongst thieves", whoever thought it up needs to have their head examined. They live life by breaking the rules, why should *this* rule be different."
... Breaking one's word and having the victim scream all about it while waving the letter from Concord as proof is simply bad for business.
Has nothing to do with honour.
(btw, they aren't exactly rules; more like, guidelines :s
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.02.13 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 13/02/2004 03:21:28
Holy proganda pamphelet in the form of "advice" can I wear a pink sheet too if I play this way?
If I get webbed and for some reason im not dead yet the self destructs going off. No negotiations. Pirates arnt an institution they are the enemy. No collusion. The only win is that the enemy does not profit from my demise.
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LeMoose
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Posted - 2004.02.14 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 13/02/2004 03:21:28
Holy proganda pamphelet in the form of "advice" can I wear a pink sheet too if I play this way?
If I get webbed and for some reason im not dead yet the self destructs going off. No negotiations. Pirates arnt an institution they are the enemy. No collusion. The only win is that the enemy does not profit from my demise.
I'm sure if you ever get caught in a fully loaded battleship carrying a valuable cargo like others you'll be negotiating before you know it. no shame in that.
but I guess if you really feel like self destrucing and loosing everything then thats up to you. but if you think for one second you have accomplished anything othere then makeing you look stupid then think again.
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Peepshow
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Posted - 2004.02.14 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Peepshow on 14/02/2004 01:15:29
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The only win is that the enemy does not profit from my demise.
OK, eve's market works on supply/demand. You increase the demand or decrease the supply and you will increase the price. I've got an alt carebear mining corp with slaves pumping minerals into ship production.
You pop along, SD a BS. You then need to buy a BS, (increase in demand)
I build battleships (I am the supply)
Increased demand, increased price, I get more ISK for selling ships the more ships get blown up.
You're just sweetening up the market for me, thnx man, keep up the good work.
/emote admires his hangar full of battleships
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.02.14 01:28:00 -
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And im sure you wont try to run either.
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