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Selnix
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.27 07:44:00 -
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Flying the Eris has been like scraping the bottom of the Interdictor barrel for quite a while now and the upcoming buffs to the Heretic and Flycatcher only make it worse. So now it *should* be time to look at the Eris.
A good start would be for good old Roden Shipyards to sell the technology over to CreoDron so it might not be quite so much of a waste of tritanium and below are the changes I believe Creodron would make to leverage some amount of profit out of their new acquisition.
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Destroyer Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Hybrid Turret capacitor use and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per level.
Interdictors Skill Bonus: +5m3 Extra drone bay capacity per level and 10% bonus to interdiction sphere launcher rate of fire per level
Drone Capacity: 25m3 (+20)
Mass: 1,600,000 kg (-150,000)
CPU: 215 (+21)
Low Slots: 3 (-1)
Med Slots: 3 (+1)
Launcher Hardpoints: 2 (-2)
Turret Hardpoints: 6 (+1)
The med-slot changes should allow for fitting MWD, Web and Scram which will keep in line with the blaster focus that I believe CCP originally intended. Keeping the current power grid will limit the pilots to either a plate and small rep with mid-level blasters or a hitpoint shield tank with quite possibly only the 75mm gatling rails fitting. The inability to fit the best guns is liveable though, given we'd still be the only race stuck with weapons that drain capacitor on our dictors and we would be relying on the drones to do the bulk of our damage in most cases. The bay bonus for interdictor level would allow the pilot to choose to keep a couple of spare small drones aboard in case he has to bail out and leave them behind or possibly use a couple of mediums at the risk of losing most of his damage to smartbombs, FOFs or direct enemy fire. The boost to CPU is to hopefully provide enough to stick a T2 warp disrupt on (was looking pretty tight to fit when I was messing with fittings on Sisi).
Either way, this ship is in need of a boost of some sort and I think this is a decent approach.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.27 08:50:00 -
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While I do agree that the Eris need a buff I dont like your drone change. Because of the combo blaster-drone-nos gallante already has the best bc, command, bs, carrier, dread and momma. And a split first place for hac with vaga or ishtar. And their drone using ceptor and af aint half bad either. We dont need another ueber-I-pwn-all gallante drone-boat.
I think the buff should be: Destroyer skill: Hybrid damage, Hybrid falloff, Dictor skill: Hybrid tracking, Dictor rof.
Hislots 8, Turret hardpoints 6 (+1)
Med 3
Low 3
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Jai Cee
Quam Singulari
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.27 09:38:00 -
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Agreed with Draahk, whilst the Eris needs a serious buff this isn't the one I'd like. Drone ships are great and all but for tacklers they tend to suck quite a lot because you'll leave your drones behind all the time. Not to mention that the DPS will be insane on that thing so whilst I'd like the ship it probably would be overpowered.
The devs really do need to sort out what they want to do with the Roden Shipyards ships either they should become missile boats or turret boats combinations thereof suck unfortunately.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:16:00 -
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3 mids on eris? Only when coercer and retribution gets 2 :)
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batmoth
Amarr
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.27 17:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Deva Blackfire
3 mids on eris? Only when coercer and retribution gets 2 :)
we are talking about a Eris not a AF or a destroyer
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:50:00 -
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Ok you want my opinion on eris? Giving it 3 mids will make it overpowered. It will have highest damage of dessys and still mount mwd/scram/extender combo, unless you gimp its powergrid heavily enough that it wont be able to fit extender. Happy?
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batmoth
Amarr
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.27 19:52:00 -
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how about gimping it just enough where it cant fit nuetrons instead with ot screwing over its tank or speed
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.27 22:30:00 -
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I say leave it, compair the prices of the sabre to the eris (i can fly both) and see why i choose the eris most of the time, it does the same job about 90% as well as the sabre for less than 1/3 the cost and i like haveing both stupidley cheep throwaway dictors, and one for sunday best 
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sliver 0xD
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.27 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: sliver 0xD on 27/08/2007 23:52:32
i dont think these changes make allot of difrence. they will more likely be used difrendly then intended and make the eris overpowerd.
but still i think the eris needs some loveing. tho i find the fitting of mid and low slots okay as they are. the eris lacks the web option but the eris can be fitted with 3 overdrives and a nanofiber to be fast. u dont realy need a web if u can keep up with your target ship.
this is however the only fitting i came up with witch is usefull. i use a flycatcher for everything else :P so give the eris some loveing :p
i like the drone bay idea! but not the bonus
and i would love to see guns or missiles only. but thats something that will make it easy er for players to fitt a eris and i still think for t2 ships that u atleast needs skills to fitt them good. in this case both in missiles and guns.
if u modify the eris to preform beter then the price of the eris will go up. it is all about how good the ship is.
but totaly with you on the fact that the eris curently sucks compaired to the other dictors.
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.08.28 00:12:00 -
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if anything roden shipyards itself needs a new design philosophy
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Selnix
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.28 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
While I do agree that the Eris need a buff I dont like your drone change. Because of the combo blaster-drone-nos gallante already has the best bc, command, bs, carrier, dread and momma.....
Unless I am wrong, fitting anything larger than a set of Ions with this amount of PG means either no tank or no MWD, in either case it is somewhat suicidal and unlikely to be able to hold up in battle. As for NOS, the obvious issue is the NOS nerf that happens tomorrow morning, they take up quite a bit of the already stretched powergrid, have short range, and will do nothing but equalize the target's capacitor with your own. As for your suggested bonuses, blasters are very cap-intensive, and if you plan to use them you can expect to be close enough that whatever you attack will be hitting you, necessitating some amount of tank, which also takes cap. In the end, if you don't have enough DPS, you will run out of cap before they die and either lose your damage, lose your tackle, or lose your tank, in which case... yeah... you lose. Sabre, Heretic and Flycatcher are all now based on weapons platforms that are free of cap requirements and are capable of dealing all four types of damage. For Gallente to be given an equal ability, their only options are drones, missiles, or fitting Minmatar weapons which is just bogus.
Also gotta disagree with you saying Gallente have the best CS, Carrier, Dread and Mom. Sleipnir, Damnation and Nighthawk all rival the Astarte and Eos for damage and tank. Archon is easily the sexiest combat carrier. Naglfar and Revelation are at least as good if not better than the Moros. And the Wyvern is much nicer than the Nyx beyond the Nyx looking so damn nice.
Originally by: Jai Cee
The devs really do need to sort out what they want to do with the Roden Shipyards ships either they should become missile boats or turret boats combinations thereof suck unfortunately.
Pretty much what I said. A two mid-slot dictor with short range weapons is one that ends up running from more fights than it engages in.
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Ok you want my opinion on eris? Giving it 3 mids will make it overpowered. It will have highest damage of dessys and still mount mwd/scram/extender combo, unless you gimp its powergrid heavily enough that it wont be able to fit extender. Happy?
No choice but to go either no scram or no extender if you fit blasters for dps, unless you like watching every other ship in the game happily go fast enough to stay out of even your falloff range. Blaster or even autocannon ships without webs tend to fail. Armor tanks don't regen over time so you sacrifice speed, maneuverability, and a good portion of your power supply and capacitor to try and survive with the blaster kit.
Originally by: Alski
I say leave it, compair the prices of the sabre to the eris (i can fly both) and see why i choose the eris most of the time, it does the same job about 90% as well as the sabre for less than 1/3 the cost and i like haveing both stupidley cheep throwaway dictors, and one for sunday best
Says the guy with the Sabres. Price is based on supply and demand, if you don't understand that watch the price of the Heretic now that it has been fixed.
Originally by: Silver OxD
i dont think these changes make allot of difrence. they will more likely be used difrendly then intended and make the eris overpowerd.
Keeping it from ending up overpowered is up to the Devs. I'm pretty sure they can find a balance of powergrid and CPU that will allow a reasonable fit while both fixing the ship and keeping it from becoming just another cookie-cutter gunboat with cap problems rivaling the Amarr. Hell, I'd settle for it only being able to fit a rack of electrons or 75mm rails just to have an option for damage types that doesn't involve using speed-nerfing rockets to keep out of web range given its fragility.
Forgot one thing the ship would need if it went Creodron... one of those nice dark green paint jobs
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MasterDecoy
Gallente
The Grifters
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Posted - 2007.08.28 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Captian Internet
if anything roden shipyards itself needs a new design philosophy
HA!
i agree with the man with the funny hat!
Originally by: Gan Dalf
What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?
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Brucette
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Posted - 2007.08.28 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
...and still mount mwd/scram/extender combo...
?? methinks you should be making use of that bubble blower.
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Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.08.28 06:45:00 -
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drones are no-go on dictor..
U must be fast, shi.t that bubble on the battlefield and flee away..no time for deploying drones and then collecting them while they chase crows and vagas.
Rather bonus to missile would be better..
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Selnix
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.28 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Brucette
?? methinks you should be making use of that bubble blower.
While you can forego the use of a warp disrupter on an interdictor any ship with moderate to decent speed has a good chance of reaching the edge of your bubble before you can either get them webbed or drop another bubble in most cases. Even a hauler can get lucky and have the gate drop him within a kilometer or two of the bubble's edge. Having the disruptor allows you to engage faster targets while trying to close enough to web them and then drop a bubble instead of dropping a bubble and hoping they don't just keep zooming along to the edge to warp at their leisure.
Originally by: Miss KillSome
drones are no-go on dictor..
U must be fast, shi.t that bubble on the battlefield and flee away..no time for deploying drones and then collecting them while they chase crows and vagas.
Rather bonus to missile would be better..
If they swap it to a missile boat, they might as well rename it Flycatcher or Heretic and do away with a Gallente Interdictor altogether. So far as the bubble and run away, I've never been a fan of flying the ship solely to bubble people and save your own butt. Sure the loss of the ship can affect the way your gang acts in certain situations, but I'd rather provide whatever extra tackle and fire support I can to the fight. Until they fix it so that bubbling counts as aggression toward gate jumps and killmails, I'm sure there will still be people that would rather run than fight. From the pursuit gang's point of view, bubble aggro would be nice as it would keep the dictor on the field if he attempted to bubble up a gate behind his gang to slow the enemy, making it a trade off instead of the brick wall that it sometimes is. Though I admit it is fun to watch the enemy fleet land 70km off of the outbound gate when you're outnumbered.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 28/08/2007 11:43:29
Originally by: Brucette
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
...and still mount mwd/scram/extender combo...
?? methinks you should be making use of that bubble blower.
Methinks you have no clue how to fly dictor then... Bubble is only to give you change to put points/webs before target starts moving. Escaping bubbles is pretty easy and eris w/o point wont stop anything even with 2 bubble launchers.
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and that goes for rest of the dictors too
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oniplE
NED-Clan
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.11.05 19:54:00 -
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Since the Eris hasnt changed and this seems to be the right time for nerfing/boosting, i'm gonna bump this thread with my own views (yay). I hope CCP changes the Eris, cuz its horrible compared to the other interdictors, and with the very low crosstraining time for other dictors, i wonder why anyone would ever fly it (apart from it being cheap, an obvious side effect of its suckiness)
Missiles/rockets option:
Remove the drone bay
Remove the hybrid bonusses
-4 turret hard points (1 left)
+2 missile hardpoints (total: 6).
Add bonusses:
+10% bonus to missile/rocket velocity
+5% bonus to flight time or precision or explosion velocity of missles/rockets. (it has to be a missile bonus, im not sure
which one cuz some are "taken" by the other interdictors.).
Add about 30 CPU, making it 224.
Remove a bit of PG, -3 or -4.
Its now compareble (almost the same) to the heretic and flycatcher, this isnt great in the way that there are now 3 very similar interdictors but this is how a roden ship is supposed to be.
Hybrid option: Cant really be a roden ship anymore with hybrids, but i like this better than the missile option.
Remove the drone bay
Remove the rocket/missile bonus.
-4 launchers (0 left).
+2 turret hardpoints (total: 7)
Add bonus:
+5% damage to small hybrid turrets.
Add about 30 CPU, making it 224.
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