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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.02.08 13:39:00 -
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Considering that interceptors are essentially fast, hard to hit frigates, what sort of prices would be reasonable for one? I personally can't imagine paying much over a million or so for them simply because they are frigates and (despite their increased abilities) no match for a 2 million ISK low-end cruiser... and certainly no match for a 3-4 million ISK L2 cruiser! They'll be great scout ships and excellent battleship escorts (interceptor-class vessels ARE designed to kill other small ships, after all... and those are the ones a battleship can't easily shoot) but like frigates they'll be highly expendable. So if they aren't cheaper than cruisers people will just USE cruisers or standard Kestrels, er, frigates...
Personally, I'm expecting prices around 1-1.5 million once the initial "must get cool new ship NOW" purchases, falling to about 500-750k later. Since the base price listed (from EVE DB) is around 300k and base price = about 2x construction cost, even 600k would be a 300% profit. That's plenty of profit on an item that IS after all most likely going to have a rather short (but exciting) career if used in combat... they'll need a replacement soon enough. 
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.02.08 13:44:00 -
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yeah - i agree - personally, i only use frigs for agent running or as a fast shuttle. I might get a interceptor as a collectors item sometime but tbh - I'll come back here if/when tech 2 cruisers get here.
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.08 13:56:00 -
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But dont forget the price of miner 2's when they were first released, cost at appox 60k and sell price was 5mil.
If im not mistaken they can warp to objects on the scanner which provides a great tactical advantage. Add to that the scarcity of the bp themselves your looking at a fairly high price imo.
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shakaZ XV
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Posted - 2004.02.08 14:02:00 -
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But dont forget the price of miner 2's when they were first released, cost at appox 60k and sell price was 5mil.
If im not mistaken they can warp to objects on the scanner which provides a great tactical advantage. Add to that the scarcity of the bp themselves your looking at a fairly high price imo.
yea but dont forget that every miner wanted one :P elite frigs dont have a big market probably
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.02.08 14:05:00 -
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If im not mistaken they can warp to objects on the scanner which provides a great tactical advantage. Add to that the scarcity of the bp themselves your looking at a fairly high price imo.
Where did this information come from? I can't find any info to make me think it's more than a rumor. I surely hope it's true though, cause otherwise these frigs aren't that special.
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Marquedios
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Posted - 2004.02.08 14:14:00 -
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I don't think that using the miner II as an example when compairing them to these interceptors is a good one. EVERYONE wanted miner II's AND could use them, not everyone is going to be able to even learn the interceptor skill once these little beauties do hit the market. Frigate 5 of the race of your choice plus the interceptor skill. Just a guess here, but I'm guessing that approx. 25% of the EVE players actually have a frigate skill to lvl 5 so therefore the bubble won't be anywhere near that of the miner II's. I'd have to second the original posters guestimates of initial 1-1.5m for one and then later dropping to anywhere between 3-700k once the initial hype is over.
I'm not sure about the build requirements for one, but I do think that the poeple that actually have a BP will be quite wealthy from them, just not near as wealthy as one of the first miner II BP owners.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.08 14:29:00 -
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True value of Interceptors remains to be discovered through combat.
If they becaome as hard to target as suggested and if they have the "warp-to" ability then they do have solid value for "all" fleets and/or hunters.
Until their capabilities are known though the price cannot be accurately ascertained.
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.08 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: Amin on 08/02/2004 14:42:40
My miner to example shows us that when there are only a few bp fo an item in game the price can be inflated. Just because only a limited number of well trained pilots can fly them doesnt mean the price should be low. Infact from a manufacturers point of view, who has perhaps made a large investment in buying an elite frig original bp will want to charge enough fot it to be worthwhile.
I dont know the build cost of elite frigates but most other t2 items cost substantially more than their t1 counterparts. Maybe someone with a elite frig bp and clear this up but my guess is that the 1-1.5mil sell price wont even cover the build cost.
edit: Teeth thats only what iv heard from other people, so not sure if they can warp to objects from a scanner.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.02.08 15:39:00 -
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i do think the producer will earn more money in long terms if the price is relative low. we who use frigattes in cambat uses them mostly becase they are expandable, it dosnt hurt to much to loose one. personaly i burn out about 5 friggs/week. if the price was around 600k-1mill
i could take much higher risks and get killed much more often whitout taking a to big loss
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.08 15:51:00 -
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If they becaome as hard to target as suggested and if they have the "warp-to" ability then they do have solid value for "all" fleets and/or hunters.
If this is true, this will have HUGE consequences for combat. Safe spots will become basically worthless and fleet engagements and preparation will totally change. That would kick ass. Btw does anyone know if the rumor is true?
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Eowynn
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Posted - 2004.02.08 16:03:00 -
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I am selling the Malediction Interceptor per auction. Please read more about it at: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=58408
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.02.08 20:25:00 -
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If they becaome as hard to target as suggested and if they have the "warp-to" ability then they do have solid value for "all" fleets and/or hunters.
*snip*
Btw does anyone know if the rumor is true?
No one has been able to confirm this, AFAIK.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.02.08 20:38:00 -
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Covert Ops frigs have special deep space scanning abilities. Not interceptors. Thus u can likely warp to objects on scanner with a covert ops frig but not an interceptor.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2004.02.08 20:56:00 -
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A lot of corporations I would imagine are going to be extremely foolish when selling these, rather than look towards long term profit and volume sales they are going to sell the frigate for outrageous prices.
Just a day or two ago I read a post from GunnyP of TTI, he mentioned that the last he heard, an Interceptor frigate bidding was at 900M and for a frigate, that was too high and Taggart wouldnt ever pay that much for a frigate BP.
Looking at the frigate head on, yeah 900M is a bit much, however when you take a look at how much better it is than a standard frigate and how much a cruiser costs in comparson, you set the price at 400k or 500k, I'm sure this would be a great profit for builders who have their skills trained up, surely it doesnt beat selling them at 1+M, but if you sold at 400k you would only need to sell 2250 ships before you paid off the cost of the blue print, at 500,000 you would only need to sell 1800, after that you are in the black.
Of course you could always sell the ships at a high price that the market would bear and then lower it as demand decreases, but with tech 2 and other tech levels you are going to be building a reputation, eventually people might just wait until the price drops, or completely turn on you like the mob usually does.
New players would buy an elite frigate before a cruiser because its another step until they reach a cruiser, but this would only happen if the frigates are priced reasonably. A good thing to remember is that when you put these items into the hands of new players, most often they will lose them and buy more. You want players to risk their ships and lose them and then come back and buy more because you have reasonable prices.
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scouting
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Posted - 2004.02.09 00:32:00 -
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ive seen a screenie of what it takes to make one and unless the corp who produces them has a big and steady supply of construction components, then they are going to be costly 
im waiting for covert ops/recon...they will be worth the price..
i just dont see any use for interceptors...not at the price i think they will be 
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Hellena
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Posted - 2004.02.09 00:53:00 -
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ive not seen any out yet..but they will be quite handy, especially the warp-to function. as stated 'safe' spots will no longer exist..so fleets will have to constantly be on the move, or have a battle plan already worked out because they wont have a chance to hide. im looking forward to these...5 days left..5 days..
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.02.09 00:59:00 -
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Peoples want to buy them at 30m and over only for collection purpose... Yes they will buy one at this is over... steady price is impossible, how many players have frig 5 and evs mane 5? And if they have how big is the possibilities that they have implants? And with implants they will go to battle in frigate? Use interceptors as fast courier/blockade runner? With zero cargo? Use in fight with only ammo in guns? One minute of fight and need to go to station or can with ammo to reload?
This are and will be costly toys, not combat worthy, not in that shape. And production cost is insane as all other tech2 items... So production cost will be as cruiser i think...
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GunnyP
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Posted - 2004.02.09 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: GunnyP on 09/02/2004 01:08:13
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Just a day or two ago I read a post from GunnyP of TTI, he mentioned that the last he heard, an Interceptor frigate bidding was at 900M and for a frigate, that was too high and Taggart wouldnt ever pay that much for a frigate BP.
Looking at the frigate head on, yeah 900M is a bit much, however when you take a look at how much better it is than a standard frigate and how much a cruiser costs in comparson, you set the price at 400k or 500k, I'm sure this would be a great profit for builders who have their skills trained up, surely it doesnt beat selling them at 1+M, but if you sold at 400k you would only need to sell 2250 ships before you paid off the cost of the blue print, at 500,000 you would only need to sell 1800, after that you are in the black.
It was a BPO I was bidding on. There were several questions I needed answers too before I would commit. "How many of these things can I sell?" and "How many BPO's are there going to be?" The two are related ofc... the more BPO's the less ships I'll be able to sell. I was not willing to gamble 900 Million on a frigate BPO.
The person here is hoping to capitalize on everyone else being in the dark too:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=58408
Hence the sealed bids. She want's to get as much as she can while the desire to "get the newest toy on the block" is hot and before that desire fades. Good for her really, from a marketing stand point. But we are talking about pricing here... and buying a BPO.
These things are frigates... very good frigates, but frigates none the less. Also, we are talking about only one of many types of elite frigates... we still have Bombers, "Gunships" and Covert Ops to go through... also... just because they are frigates the number of BPO's out there will be a good number... not great, but good enough that they will sell for close to the list price in a month or so.
I could be wrong, in which case I'm sure one of my corp mates will bring this post up to me  But I think not. 
Regards,
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.09 01:12:00 -
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And... hey .. but who buys off alts anyway?
Ok we all do at one time or another but... c'mon. Whats the big secret here?
Guarenteed publicity by comingout with your corp and ownership of the BP is frittered away..
or mroe likely deliberatley not stated because the manufacturer is...
What? Who?
Take your pick.
I'll wait for somebody who is honest enough to trade openly at least as a corp. They can do closed-bid Dutch Auctions, fine, but I want to know who is getting my money.
 
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:13:00 -
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New players would buy an elite frigate before a cruiser because its another step until they reach a cruiser
Thing is, the cruiser skill is faster to train, and if we see elite frigates selling for near cruiser prices, why would a new player buy one?
Really im a little skeptical on the new elite frigates, despite being in gallente ship research myself with over 10k rp.
I mean, doesnt everyone and his dog use a BS if they are in a serious combat situation? What role would these frigates play in a fight? Decorations?
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Fausto on 09/02/2004 14:24:55
No warp in function makes them almost useless combined with no cargo space. I would prefer a BB over any of these interceptors any time.
Now, when black ops frigates join the game, that will be another story. Cloak, approach, decloack and ... whoooooohoooo
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.02.09 14:45:00 -
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Well Fausto, nice thing about those frigs is that they can lock on and down a bb 10x as fast as the bb can lock on them :)
Let alone that they still have enough firepower to take a bb out, if fitted correctly.
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Galban Hunter
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Posted - 2004.02.09 15:07:00 -
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One thing is, you get a few of these, add in another cruiser with ECM and warp disruptors and you have yourself the perfect fast attack and fade group ever. The cruiser locks down the target, the frigates come in and basically rip the target to pieces, warp out if they get targeted etc. rinse repeat, easy kill.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.02.09 20:06:00 -
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I want a carrier.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.02.09 20:09:00 -
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When I was looking at these in game I so wanted one...but it seems I've overlooked something. I keep hearing they have no cargo space. Is that literally they have 0 cargo space, or is it just a small cargo?
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.02.09 22:47:00 -
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THEY. HAVE. CARGOSPACE. !. !. !.
NEXT. TIME. GET. THE. FACTS. SINCE. IT'S. BEING. DISCUSSED. IN. EVERY. INTERCEPTOR. THREAD. !. !. !.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.10 00:32:00 -
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Honest offer? Highest I'd go for one of the BPOs is 20m isk for a Claw.
They are frigates. Drones and Cruise missiles eat frigates. So what if it takes 5 minutes to lock onto one. At T+00:05:15, you're dead.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Posted - 2004.02.10 05:07:00 -
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New players would buy an elite frigate before a cruiser because its another step until they reach a cruiser
Thing is, the cruiser skill is faster to train, and if we see elite frigates selling for near cruiser prices, why would a new player buy one?
Really im a little skeptical on the new elite frigates, despite being in gallente ship research myself with over 10k rp.
I mean, doesnt everyone and his dog use a BS if they are in a serious combat situation? What role would these frigates play in a fight? Decorations?
say there is 3 battleships camping a gate and you have 3 or more Megathron w/ Blasters or Tempest w/ 800mm with to clear the gate.... have 3 intercepters warp in... run up about 8km to them and then have your fleet warp to the frigates. Your close range weapons just might be worth a ton of damage now and you have cap and shields to boot. Its called dead gate campers. Maybe it will be as easy as it sounds... maybe not... but the right pilots could do it im sure.
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crosshair
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Posted - 2004.02.10 09:18:00 -
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when they are cheap ill buy one :)
i think these lil ships are strange , htey are lvl2 based frigates dont seem like they will be realygreat pvp's but i do see a forseeable future in pre-battle recon. and maybe some bp runners since you cant really fit anything else
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.02.10 13:07:00 -
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Once bombers (heavy missile frigates) enter the game the interceptors will be a lot more useful. An interceptor will be able to kill a bomber before it can do too much damage to whatever large ship the interceptor is escorting. Think of interceptors as faster, more powerful drones that have pilots... 
They'll also be great for scouting deep space simply because they are FAST. But then, so is a nice cheap Vigil...
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