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Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.08.29 08:45:00 - [1] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2007 08:46:00 ... and I just realized I'm screwed. Quote: The example contains a Class B address of 172.16.0.0 and two LANs that require at least 250 hosts each. If the routers use a classful routing protocol, the WAN link must be a subnet of the same Class B network. Classful routing protocols such as RIP v1, IGRP, and EGP do not support VLSM. Without VLSM, the WAN link would need the same subnet mask as the LAN segments. A 24-bit mask of 255.255.255.0 can support 250 hosts. I have no idea what that means at all. Ever. I'm transferring to literature. ---- All roads lead to Catch
Xtreem Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.29 11:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Xtreem on 29/08/2007 12:01:57 just talking about subnets, there are 3 non routable (for internal networks) ip ranges 192.168.1 (a) 172.16 (b) 10. (c) these are non routable, to create more ips the subnet is divided repectivly, 255.255.255, 255.255, 255. (all left out are 0's) and indicates what part is the network and what part is the host. i think what you paragraph is describing is dividing a subnet into 2 logical nodes (segments) within one subnet (VLSM) and it is just saying you need a WAN link (wide area network) that supprts VLSM so it can route to said segments, and if it cant do this then you would have to be on the same subnet/segment which would only be 250 hosts, when they needed 500. not a full answer with networks its so easy to rabbit on for ages, and iv missed some bits out, but thats roughly what its saying. ps - id take ip structure over literature every day of the week :) /edit typos / this is why id not take literature
Lance Brute	Posted - 2007.08.29 12:50:00 - [3] I'm a qualified Mechatronic engineer and I can only make sense of a smiggen of that. Good brain sir!
Calderio Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.29 13:14:00 - [4] omg subneting, i havent done that in over a year. its really fun once you get in the groove, im still "studying"for my ccna and i honestly cant wait till i get to that part of the book. subneting is like a big puzzle, its freaking awsome listen to me on bob radio, heavy metal, random babbling, and live forum coverage.
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.29 13:54:00 - [5] It's easy. The class subnet of the MTU cross-phases to the two trains, one from Cincinnati, the other from Detroit, causing a quantum buildup in the warp drive. Make sense?
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.29 14:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2007 08:46:00 ... and I just realized I'm screwed. Quote: The example contains a Class B address of 172.16.0.0 and two LANs that require at least 250 hosts each. If the routers use a classful routing protocol, the WAN link must be a subnet of the same Class B network. Classful routing protocols such as RIP v1, IGRP, and EGP do not support VLSM. Without VLSM, the WAN link would need the same subnet mask as the LAN segments. A 24-bit mask of 255.255.255.0 can support 250 hosts. I have no idea what that means at all. Ever. I'm transferring to literature. No, your not, just go get the answers from test king or troytec to take your test. You cant find routers that only use routing protocols that old. Its a stupid example. Besides, if you put the wan on 172.17.0.0, the router will route it fine with a static route to the other network. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.29 14:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Raem Civrie I'm currently sitting in an end-level networking course... and I just realized I'm screwed. yeah, the end of level boss is really hard in networking.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.29 14:41:00 - [8] also, you're doing a cisco certification or something? here. i passed all my exams ;)
Frezik Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.29 15:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2007 08:46:00 ... and I just realized I'm screwed. Quote: The example contains a Class B address of 172.16.0.0 and two LANs that require at least 250 hosts each. If the routers use a classful routing protocol, the WAN link must be a subnet of the same Class B network. Classful routing protocols such as RIP v1, IGRP, and EGP do not support VLSM. Without VLSM, the WAN link would need the same subnet mask as the LAN segments. A 24-bit mask of 255.255.255.0 can support 250 hosts. I have no idea what that means at all. Ever. I'm transferring to literature. No, your not, just go get the answers from test king or troytec to take your test. You cant find routers that only use routing protocols that old. Its a stupid example. Besides, if you put the wan on 172.17.0.0, the router will route it fine with a static route to the other network. I presume the above came out of a Cisco networking course. Which is pretty much the only place that cares about RIP and classful routing anymore.
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.08.29 16:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2007 08:46:00 ... and I just realized I'm screwed. Quote: The example contains a Class B address of 172.16.0.0 and two LANs that require at least 250 hosts each. If the routers use a classful routing protocol, the WAN link must be a subnet of the same Class B network. Classful routing protocols such as RIP v1, IGRP, and EGP do not support VLSM. Without VLSM, the WAN link would need the same subnet mask as the LAN segments. A 24-bit mask of 255.255.255.0 can support 250 hosts. I have no idea what that means at all. Ever. I'm transferring to literature. No, your not, just go get the answers from test king or troytec to take your test. You cant find routers that only use routing protocols that old. Its a stupid example. Besides, if you put the wan on 172.17.0.0, the router will route it fine with a static route to the other network. I presume the above came out of a Cisco networking course. Which is pretty much the only place that cares about RIP and classful routing anymore. Bingo. I did figure it out after I tracked down a different source on VLSM and the whole subnetting thing. It's a CCNA degree, like someone guessed, and whoever wrote their course material needs to be shot This isn't the first time their horribly roundabout reading material has betrayed me repeatedly. ---- All roads lead to Catch
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.08.29 16:01:00 - [11] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2007 16:01:43 Originally by: ry ry also, you're doing a cisco certification or something? here. i passed all my exams ;) Once I get access to that site, I'll love you forever if that helps me pass, since this course is a prerequisite for graduating. ---- All roads lead to Catch
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.29 16:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Raem Civrie Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Sharupak Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2007 08:46:00 ... and I just realized I'm screwed. Quote: The example contains a Class B address of 172.16.0.0 and two LANs that require at least 250 hosts each. If the routers use a classful routing protocol, the WAN link must be a subnet of the same Class B network. Classful routing protocols such as RIP v1, IGRP, and EGP do not support VLSM. Without VLSM, the WAN link would need the same subnet mask as the LAN segments. A 24-bit mask of 255.255.255.0 can support 250 hosts. I have no idea what that means at all. Ever. I'm transferring to literature. No, your not, just go get the answers from test king or troytec to take your test. You cant find routers that only use routing protocols that old. Its a stupid example. Besides, if you put the wan on 172.17.0.0, the router will route it fine with a static route to the other network. I presume the above came out of a Cisco networking course. Which is pretty much the only place that cares about RIP and classful routing anymore. Bingo. I did figure it out after I tracked down a different source on VLSM and the whole subnetting thing. It's a CCNA degree, like someone guessed, and whoever wrote their course material needs to be shot This isn't the first time their horribly roundabout reading material has betrayed me repeatedly. Just go pay the 30 bucks or whatever it is these days and cheat. I can tell you for certain that their $125 a shot tests are waisting your time and the butt loads of money you have already invested. It is going to be sooo rare that you will ever have to build an access list from scratch or ensure your vty ports are secure or build a setup from the ground up. All that router config is saved and you are just going to slap that running config in that router and save it and make a couple of changes. They should do much more on analysing the statistics on your eth ports and vpn for troubleshooting. All the certification exams are like this. Microsoft's tests are just as ******** and ambiguous. They all invision networks that dont exist of completely their own gear. Sorry, I went through this pain and it is a pet peave of mine. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Antithysis Gallente STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.29 19:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 29/08/2007 16:01:43 Originally by: ry ry also, you're doing a cisco certification or something? here. i passed all my exams ;) Once I get access to that site, I'll love you forever if that helps me pass, since this course is a prerequisite for graduating. Shoot me an eve-mail, I'll toss you an invite code. -Anti- --------
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.29 19:13:00 - [14] I understood it when I studied it, so can you. :) Today I dont remember very much since I dont work with it though. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.29 19:14:00 - [15] This Lifesaver if you can't get your head round subnets. VLSM gives me headaches, I don't understand it at all but I can answer the exam questions on it right 9 ot of 10 times which is fine by me. Really should be studying ot my CCNA 3 exam, exam is in like... 2 weeks I think. -----
Xtreem Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.30 09:35:00 - [16] CCNA is crazy, i do this stuff for my job, at least 8 hours a day, yet some of the things they expect u to know is silly and will never be needed, thats the only problem with exams, cisco, citrix, ms all of them do it :(
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.30 16:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Xtreem CCNA is crazy, i do this stuff for my job, at least 8 hours a day, yet some of the things they expect u to know is silly and will never be needed, thats the only problem with exams, cisco, citrix, ms all of them do it :( Better to understand somthing that you might only need to use once or twice than look like a fool when it comes up and you don't know. Plus for example, you kinda need to understand Classful routing to know why Clasless routing became necisary... -----
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari Gallente Federal Bank	Posted - 2007.08.31 00:02:00 - [18] Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 31/08/2007 00:02:47 I did two semesters of the CCNA then realized I friggin hated it, now in 5 months I will be graduating with a B.S. in microbiology.
Xtreem Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 09:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Xtreem CCNA is crazy, i do this stuff for my job, at least 8 hours a day, yet some of the things they expect u to know is silly and will never be needed, thats the only problem with exams, cisco, citrix, ms all of them do it :( Better to understand somthing that you might only need to use once or twice than look like a fool when it comes up and you don't know. Plus for example, you kinda need to understand Classful routing to know why Clasless routing became necisary... very true and for the most part i understand the whole bit, does annoy me when i re read my ccna books and im like, damn i should have known that, seeing as ir ead the books several times and have a job directly connected to all of it, oh well more to learn i guess, bah!
Jago Kain Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:07:00 - [20] No worries. Just reconfigure the isolinear chips to act as parallel pairs and introduce a phase variance of 3-5% in the main deflector to compensate for any random tetrion spikes. Glad I could help. The next revolution won't be televised; it'll be pod-cast.

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