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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 04:57:00 -
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So I’ve been hanging out in the Eifer system (.4) in Heimatar for the last few hours, and there is an ungodly number of mission farmers running through the system, I show-info’d about 30 or so, and still about 90% of the faces I see coming through local have no portrait, there must be at least 150 of them easily.
Every single one has the same usual mission farming profile, but in addition to that I noticed that the agents they have top standing with are ALL either “archive” or “manufacturing”, a fair few of them are level 4 agents.
Does anyone actually do these missions except for farmers? That’s a serious question, because as much as I don’t want to tell someone there playstyle should be removed from game, perhaps they could at the very least should be looked at to make them somewhat less easy to farm, either by human or macro, if not removed completeley because they are obviousley so easyley exploitable.
Discuss 
(Or mabey the real reason I’m posting this a few hours before CCP staff get into work is so someone there sees this and ban-sticks the lot of em  that in itself says a lot about how effective petitioning them seems to be)
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Karanth
Gallente
Cirrius Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.30 05:08:00 -
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What i want to know is why missions have things like huge amounts of Omber and other ores in them. Oh, and "ambiance" is not a valid reason. Take that stuff out, and that would help matters.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 05:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Karanth
What i want to know is why missions have things like huge amounts of Omber and other ores in them. Oh, and "ambiance" is not a valid reason. Take that stuff out, and that would help matters.
Why would that help matters? How does this hurt anything? Omber is available in hi sec. Not like they get something they shouldn't.
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Original Copy
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Posted - 2007.08.30 05:27:00 -
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I agree that the missions are oh-so-farmable, but there are some distinct advantages to them for the 'live player' as well as the macros.
Firstly, you can get 8 or more 'storyline' missions a day because the missions are so brief, raising your faction standing quite swiftly.
Secondly, while griding the missions you are not (well, almost never) incurring the wrath of the opposing faction. For every +1% you get toward faction A during a storyline you get a -0.5% (or less) hit from their direct opposition, and a -0.25% hit from their indired opposition. You also get a +0.5% boost from faction A's allied faction.
Ex:
+1% to Amarr = +0.5% Caldari, -0.5% Minmatar, -0.25% Gallente.
I brought in a nuub and pointed him to manufactuiring missions while he's getting his skills up. He decided to juggle factions like a circus clown and has managed to get all of them up to 4.2 in three months (rather than just one to 9 in the same period).
Manufacturing and many other non-combat agents provide this way of going up without peeving off the other guy, even the pirate factions.
As for farming... *ALL* mission types are farmed and macro'd, because CCP won't lift a finger to do *anything* about them (since they're a good 40%+ of the subscriber base), not just manufacturing.
Go out to CVA lowsec space sometime, you'll see them all over the place. All AFK in slow haulers, all with insane standings with the local manufacturing agents, all in NPC schools. Once they get to 9+ they are inducted into one of the local alliances to beef up their overall faction and balance out the bad apples in the alliance/corp so that they can get high-sec POSes set up.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.30 06:29:00 -
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The problem is: what are they doing and how?
I they are essentially player farming moving AFK while doing things with other character they aren't violating any rules. The isk for tne missions are risible so they are only working for the standing.
If they are using a macro they are violating the Eula.
In both istances if they disturb you so much kill them.
A good number of people use those agents so nerfig them again will be only a bad move.
The farmers are a direct result of the nerfing and dumbing down of the hauling missions done 1 year ago, they have become simpler and more linear, so making easier to do them afk.
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Traches
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:27:00 -
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I went through there the other day!
Solution to the problem? It's lowsec, and haulers pop easy |
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CCP Oveur
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Traches
I went through there the other day!
Solution to the problem? It's lowsec, and haulers pop easy
To the gankmobile!
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:03:00 -
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Original Copy
As for farming... *ALL* mission types are farmed and macro'd, because CCP won't lift a finger to do *anything* about them (since they're a good 40%+ of the subscriber base), not just manufacturing.
How do you know they are farmers and that there are 40% farmers? If you do know, you have indisputable evidence of them being farmers, so please send that to CCP. If they still don't do anything about those proven farmers, then you can scream and yell and quit the game .
I believe the number of farmers is lower then 10% of the subscriber base. I also believe the number of buyers is lower than 10%.
If there were 40% farmers, the buyers would have to buy insane amounts of ISK to support 60.000 subscriptions (40% of 200k subscribers, a low number I know).
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Traches
I went through there the other day!
Solution to the problem? It's lowsec, and haulers pop easy
To the gankmobile!
been there done that.
loes and surroundings are still crammed with them, after being popped time and time again.
even the pirates simply don't care about them anymore, and those who are not pirates don't want to get their SS that lower.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Traches
I went through there the other day!
Solution to the problem? It's lowsec, and haulers pop easy
To the gankmobile!
Yes, they do. I've been in easily popped haulers, but never at lowsec gates.
Unfortunately the pod sits there for a few minutes (or hours) meaning that the person who was ostensibly 'afk doing other things' while the macro ran mission after mission is an actual player?
CCP needs to get off their ass and do something to screw macros up, something that is utterly random that macros would find hell coding for.
Or let everyone run macros... legit players prolly get banned within minutes of initiating one.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.30 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Original Copy
As for farming... *ALL* mission types are farmed and macro'd, because CCP won't lift a finger to do *anything* about them (since they're a good 40%+ of the subscriber base), not just manufacturing.
How do you know they are farmers and that there are 40% farmers? If you do know, you have indisputable evidence of them being farmers, so please send that to CCP. If they still don't do anything about those proven farmers, then you can scream and yell and quit the game .
I believe the number of farmers is lower then 10% of the subscriber base. I also believe the number of buyers is lower than 10%.
If there were 40% farmers, the buyers would have to buy insane amounts of ISK to support 60.000 subscriptions (40% of 200k subscribers, a low number I know).
It all revolve around the definition of farmer:
- if for farmer you mean a macro or a sweatshop member they are way less than 40% and the 10% figure probably is still too high as they need a good number of clients to live (I seriously dubt that people buy so much isk that 1,5 players buy the work of 1 macro every month)
- if for farmer you mean someone doing ripetitive activities to get isk, every player of EVE has done that. Mining is farming asteroids, ratting is farming rats, mission running is farming missions and so on. Probably 40% of EVE population is doing farming activities by this extended definition at any given time.
By this definition even gatecamping is farming.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.30 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Traches
I went through there the other day!
Solution to the problem? It's lowsec, and haulers pop easy
To the gankmobile!
/me/ whandes what's Oveur's gankmobile 
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Originally by: CCP Morpheus
nerf ccp plz
Originally by: CCP Oveur
To the gankmobile!
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Goodlookin Gus
Gallente
Viking Research and Production
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.08.30 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alski
So IÆve been hanging out in the Eifer system (.4) in Heimatar for the last few hours, and there is an ungodly number of mission farmers running through the system, I show-infoÆd about 30 or so, and still about 90% of the faces I see coming through local have no portrait, there must be at least 150 of them easily.
Every single one has the same usual mission farming profile, but in addition to that I noticed that the agents they have top standing with are ALL either ôarchiveö or ômanufacturingö, a fair few of them are level 4 agents.
Does anyone actually do these missions except for farmers? ThatÆs a serious question, because as much as I donÆt want to tell someone there playstyle should be removed from game, perhaps they could at the very least should be looked at to make them somewhat less easy to farm, either by human or macro, if not removed completeley because they are obviousley so easyley exploitable.
Discuss
(Or mabey the real reason IÆm posting this a few hours before CCP staff get into work is so someone there sees this and ban-sticks the lot of em that in itself says a lot about how effective petitioning them seems to be)
i do an loads of missions with courier types. because i have no combat skill. nor am i planing on getting em. i am pure industrialist/science types based. most of my corp mates is likely skilled. and same with lots of alliance members. we do bunch of missioning with courier.
i have 9.97 with egonics. all done with courier. no macroing. just sitting an keyboard and move from a-b
the good thing about courier is the lenght they take. with an newborn in the house its perfect as i can go afk in the middle of mission and dont die :)
+ we get storyline faster.
but 2-3 courier storyline is the same as 1 combat. so its an more intesive grind and more boring then combat.
so yes non macros are doing em. but we are all Farmers. i farm for standing and lp as most other mission dudes does. + isk to buy **** we dont need
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Johncrab
Minmatar
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.30 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Johncrab on 30/08/2007 10:54:49
Eifer doesn't even have stations. So it's not a mish system.
And 90% of those chars going through there are pirate alts moving stuff to and from highsec.
Originally by: ry ry
gatecamping is just PvP mining.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Original Copy
As for farming... *ALL* mission types are farmed and macro'd, because CCP won't lift a finger to do *anything* about them (since they're a good 40%+ of the subscriber base), not just manufacturing.
where do ppl like you get this idea from?
oveur once posted a number of accounts banned cause of macroing or similiar things, and it was mindnumbling high.
just because many of the petitioned ppl arent gone immediately doesnt mean theyre not doing anything.
note, ppl u call farmers could be easily normal players with alot of time making money an easy way.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:12:00 -
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I do almost exclusivly courier missions so yes there are people doing them, however I have a hard time being as dedicated as the people on your screenshot - geez a month to get 5+ faction standing that's quite impressive.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:15:00 -
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My main Industrial alt needed standing with some NPC corps for Research and also for Perfect refines.
It was somewhat painful, but I worked him up to 7.0 standing for several corps with Hauling missions.
While given the option I prefer the speed of kill missions for getting NPC standing, I LIKE the fact that I have options.
(My Industrial Alt has sense been trained to fly a nice HAC, but thats not so hard when he has 55mil+ skill points)
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