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ZmajJovana Jova's Corp 0	Posted - 2012.01.17 06:44:00 - [1] - Quote Hi all, I just experienced mission-loot stealing. Was working on a lvl4 mission in 0.9 system. Guy appeared, marked red, as if a pirate. I've checked his standing and he was positive. So I assumed it's a bug in displaying status. But guy then started collecting my loot. So I figured out, doesn't matter, anyway I wasn't going to collect it. So I've 'abandoned all nearby wrecks'. Even chatted with that lad a bit. When I got my final target, I simply assumed that he can't take my mission loot. Doesn't make any sense right? But, he did! And asked for 1mil isk to give it to me. Now, my question is not if I should pay or not. My question is: I'm in a 2nd or 3rd room of my mission. No sentry guns or Concord nearby. If I shoot him, will Concord appear from nowhere to fry me? Or will I loose security standing? Or both? I've searched through forum, but still got it very unclear if in fact, I can do this without consequences. Char that did this was Patris Tissant, if anyone needs to know. Happened in Kappas (0.9). If this question was already answered somewhere in forum, I apologize but I really couldn't find it in search. Thank you.
Biced Another Narwhal Dead 4	Posted - 2012.01.17 07:02:00 - [2] - Quote concord will not shoot you. but he will
Alec Enderas 14th Legion Sanctuary Pact 1	Posted - 2012.01.17 07:03:00 - [3] - Quote Hi, this happens quite often.....guy(s) show(s) around at your mission in a cheap ship....steals your loot / mission item..... here are some basic tips -Ignore IGNore IGNORE !!! He can't do anything until you shoot at him...but don't do that, he will just come back in a shiny battleship and shoot the crap out of you -do another mission in the meantine (another system preferred), get back later -he stole your mission specific item? SO ? check market / contracts...some are very cheap + your mission restarts after downtime....so.....no point paying for anything PS: if you shoot him, concord wont do anything if he is already red to you.....but you don't want to let him shoot you, do you ?
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1557	Posted - 2012.01.17 07:10:00 - [4] - Quote bait the scrub into shooting you and return in a neut legion to roll him
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 549	Posted - 2012.01.17 07:17:00 - [5] - Quote He wasnt after your loot. He wanted to destroy you. After you shoot at him he will either warp off or warp in an alt with a DPS ship. And WTFpwn you. Don't pay him. Wait until DT and do the mission again.
ZmajJovana Jova's Corp 0	Posted - 2012.01.17 07:26:00 - [6] - Quote Thanks to all for advise. I assumed it gotta be something fishy, as it would be too easy to kill him in that small ship. So I backed off and made this post. I really hope that CCP can at least make it impossible for anyone to take one particular item from the wreck, which is mission-dependent.
Levija Saplina Supremacy Inc. Not Found. 59	Posted - 2012.01.17 07:53:00 - [7] - Quote ZmajJovana wrote: Thanks to all for advise. I assumed it gotta be something fishy, as it would be too easy to kill him in that small ship. So I backed off and made this post. I really hope that CCP can at least make it impossible for anyone to take one particular item from the wreck, which is mission-dependent. This is not World of Warcraft of Guild Wars. Welcome to EVE though.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 550	Posted - 2012.01.17 08:20:00 - [8] - Quote I do have to agree about the prevent taking of critical item part. Everything else is a valid thieving target but mission critical loot should be reserved at this time. Otherwise it is just asking for more petitions to be filed.
ZmajJovana Jova's Corp 0	Posted - 2012.01.17 08:21:00 - [9] - Quote Levija Saplina wrote: This is not World of Warcraft of Guild Wars. Welcome to EVE though. Um.. whats the purpose of your comment? It's obvious that EVE and WoW are two different products/services. WoW is a family-friendly game, where parents can play with their kids and not be disturbed by rats. EVE is for passionate gamers and SF fans. I wasn't complaining. Just was curious why would someone steal someone's mission loot, during mission combat, and if agrro on that player will be sanctioned by Concord. That's all I asked. Piracy - great. Did it myself with other alt. But this is way too low. Where's honor in that?
Swiftsoul Tian Hardcore Smoochies 2	Posted - 2012.01.17 08:42:00 - [10] - Quote ZmajJovana wrote: ... I wasn't complaining. Just was curious why would someone steal someone's mission loot, during mission combat, and if agrro on that player will be sanctioned by Concord. That's all I asked. Piracy - great. Did it myself with other alt. But this is way too low. Where's honor in that? If he steals from you, you can shot him without being sanctioned by Concord but then he is allowed to shot back without any consequences too. You can try to report him for harassment but until he does it excessively, it's very unlikely that CCP will care about it. It's part of the game to disturb others mission. About honor - it's a game, nothing is honorable about playing a game - regardless how you play it.
Ifly Uwalk Concentrated Evil Mining For Profit Alliance 143	Posted - 2012.01.17 09:34:00 - [11] - Quote ZmajJovana wrote: ...EVE...honor Oxymoron detected.
Swiftsoul Tian Hardcore Smoochies 2	Posted - 2012.01.17 09:54:00 - [12] - Quote Ifly Uwalk wrote: ZmajJovana wrote: ...EVE...honor Oxymoron detected. Hey, I just learned a new word - thanks for that ^^
Aggressive Nutmeg 91	Posted - 2012.01.17 11:04:00 - [13] - Quote It is a bit silly that your agent sends you off on some super secret mission only to have some loser easily scan it down and join the party. 0/10 for reality. As usual, forget logic and common sense and make sure you understand how this EVE game mechanic works. Mission invaders are usually trying to pick fights with what they perceive to be easy targets. They're at the bottom of the EVE food chain. If you're a newbie just ignore them. But when you're more skilled, use yourself as bait and lay traps for these losers. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Killa Von Murderer University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.01.17 11:05:00 - [14] - Quote ZmajJovana wrote: Where's honor in that? You must be new to C&P.
meatsaw Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.01.17 11:33:00 - [15] - Quote I saw this quote somewhere for newbies pretty much sums up Eve.. Welcome to EvE, **** You!
Alec Enderas 14th Legion Sanctuary Pact 1	Posted - 2012.01.17 11:49:00 - [16] - Quote meatsaw wrote: I saw this quote somewhere for newbies pretty much sums up Eve.. Welcome to EvE, **** You! Wow, really awesome....just describes everything...but seriously, is this supposed to be just empty space ?
meatsaw Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.01.17 11:51:00 - [17] - Quote Alec Enderas wrote: meatsaw wrote: I saw this quote somewhere for newbies pretty much sums up Eve.. Dramatic pause punchline, yep gay as! Welcome to EvE, **** You! Wow, really awesome....just describes everything...but seriously, is this supposed to be just empty space ?
Alec Enderas 14th Legion Sanctuary Pact 2	Posted - 2012.01.17 11:53:00 - [18] - Quote OK then, i would suggest putting this in between: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 46	Posted - 2012.01.17 12:45:00 - [19] - Quote Aggressive Nutmeg wrote: It is a bit silly that your agent sends you off on some super secret mission only to have some loser easily scan it down and join the party. 0/10 for reality. As usual, forget logic and common sense and make sure you understand how this EVE game mechanic works. They are not scanning down your 'super secret mission', they are scanning for your ship in space. Fairly realistic as far as things can be in Eve. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Levija Saplina Supremacy Inc. Not Found. 59	Posted - 2012.01.17 12:48:00 - [20] - Quote Aggressive Nutmeg wrote: It is a bit silly that your agent sends you off on some super secret mission only to have some loser easily scan it down and join the party. 0/10 for reality. As usual, forget logic and common sense and make sure you understand how this EVE game mechanic works. Mission invaders are usually trying to pick fights with what they perceive to be easy targets. They're at the bottom of the EVE food chain. If you're a newbie just ignore them. But when you're more skilled, use yourself as bait and lay traps for these losers. So you mean that in the real world, when an FSB agent tracks down a CIA agent (or vice versa) to steal from him supa dupa secret documents it's unrealistic and these people should be banned from real life for abusing the system ? Please ...
Kagan Storm Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 42	Posted - 2012.01.17 13:04:00 - [21] - Quote Dont do anything Come back after DT Mission and everything in it including stuff you need will respone. when it hapenes to me i shoot the next wave and warp out so the rats kill the guy and then come back..... Dont shoot him cause he can have anything ready.... C0ckblock him My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
Cardval Simalia Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.01.17 13:19:00 - [22] - Quote CCP will not return a mission item if it is stolen and an offer has been made to return it for ISK. You might be lucky and find a DERP admin probabbly one who supports botting that might help you but it's just pure luck who's desk the petition lands on. Furthermore eve is a sandbox game unlike world of war craft that is a linear MMO. There are many linear MMO's and single player games that you may choose if you dislike playing with real players. PVE is a condiment to the PVP meat that EVE is famous for. If you don't like lvl 4 missions go try incursions they are great isk per hour and oh wait, :) Oh also rats won't shoot me unless I engage them my standing to your rats is too high.
Nathan Jameson Talocan Dominion Talocan United 266	Posted - 2012.01.17 13:53:00 - [23] - Quote once an agent asked me to go find a Kurlan naiskos to give to some bald captain but after I'd finally rescued the artifact from the two dozen Blood Raider orphan children that guarded it I forgot which pocket I put it in and sent it through the wash and my agent was all like and that made me all like and so we were both like but together
Captain Nathaniel Butler The White Company 356	Posted - 2012.01.17 15:21:00 - [24] - Quote ZmajJovana wrote: Piracy - great. Did it myself with other alt. But this is way too low. Where's honor in that? There is no honor , only isk Lady Spank for C&P moderator.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 116	Posted - 2012.01.17 15:32:00 - [25] - Quote So I'm guessing that the reason to not shoot is that most mission runners wont have a point to hold him, so he can warp off and come back in something shiny? So I guess if you did run misisons with a point you probably could safely pop him? That could almost be fun.
Tribalic One Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 3	Posted - 2012.01.17 15:51:00 - [26] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: So I'm guessing that the reason to not shoot is that most mission runners wont have a point to hold him, so he can warp off and come back in something shiny? So I guess if you did run misisons with a point you probably could safely pop him? That could almost be fun. Yes, please do this ^
BuzzyBeagle Tactical Knightmare 76	Posted - 2012.01.17 16:06:00 - [27] - Quote Andski wrote: bait the scrub into shooting you and return in a neut legion to roll him Butthurt?
Swiftsoul Tian Hardcore Smoochies 2	Posted - 2012.01.17 16:08:00 - [28] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: ... So I guess if you did run misisons with a point you probably could safely pop him? That could almost be fun. Better not - he'll most probably mimimi and quit EVE because he got booted by a mission runner. And we all know how this could end.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaZJBjjENc0
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 116	Posted - 2012.01.17 16:45:00 - [29] - Quote Tribalic One wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: So I'm guessing that the reason to not shoot is that most mission runners wont have a point to hold him, so he can warp off and come back in something shiny? So I guess if you did run misisons with a point you probably could safely pop him? That could almost be fun. Yes, please do this ^ Not sure if serious? I haven't run missions in forever. I know there is the likelyhood of his friends rolling in to help gank. But it seems generally if you can stop him from getting away he obviously cannot warp off and quickly re-ship. But I'm sure I am missing other aspects of this situation.
Mokanor Lenak Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.01.17 17:01:00 - [30] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Tribalic One wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: So I'm guessing that the reason to not shoot is that most mission runners wont have a point to hold him, so he can warp off and come back in something shiny? So I guess if you did run misisons with a point you probably could safely pop him? That could almost be fun. Yes, please do this ^ Not sure if serious? I haven't run missions in forever. I know there is the likelyhood of his friends rolling in to help gank. But it seems generally if you can stop him from getting away he obviously cannot warp off and quickly re-ship. But I'm sure I am missing other aspects of this situation. It doesn't really matter if you pop him or not. He will still come back with a mightier ship by getting away in his pod. If you get his pod as well, maybe, if its in another system, but most likely you are in a BS or BC, so he will have enough time to get away before you lock on him. And he will also get the 15m in which he can try and find you, and blow whatever you are flying, unless you stay docked for 15 minutes. If you cleared everything, you can either align to station and start shooting him, and warp-dock when he dies or runs away. Or, 99% of the time you can get the mission item from the market, so just ignore the little bugger. Don't even talk to him. He will be annoyed and wasted his own time.

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