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Rhovinian
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:39:00 -
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I mean when a new player looks at the que for material research and there is no place in the entire region with less than 3 weeks to go - that is incredibly daunting to improve a frigate BPO.
I mean I thought about dabbling in production to see what it is about - but I see the wait time just for access and forget that.
It makes me wonder how much breadth of the game is really available to a new player wanting to see what each area is about before moving in a targetted direction.
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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:51:00 -
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Short answer no.
Long answer, I think you are an alt created to make a whine post to complain about lack of research slots and doing so with a 'won't someone think of the children' type of post.
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nicho Void on 31/08/2007 17:52:16
 Originally by: Jenna Shame
Short answer no.
Long answer, I think you are an alt created to make a whine post to complain about lack of research slots and doing so with a 'won't someone think of the children' type of post.
Says the faceless alt...
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Vitrael
Warriors of the Einherjar
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:53:00 -
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This is definitely a troll alt post.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rhovinian
I mean when a new player looks at the que for material research and there is no place in the entire region with less than 3 weeks to go - that is incredibly daunting to improve a frigate BPO.
I mean I thought about dabbling in production to see what it is about - but I see the wait time just for access and forget that.
It makes me wonder how much breadth of the game is really available to a new player wanting to see what each area is about before moving in a targetted direction.
Yeah you can get into production if you want. But you'll find the early road hard if you don't have another income.
Better to build another income that can support heavy industrial investment, and go straight for the best BPO's, research at your own POS etc, until it begins to pay back.
Everyone will have the same shot at any new T2 or better gear, so aim to be the first in any new field for the best instant payouts. GL. 
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Lab Technician071548
Astro-Support Services
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:00:00 -
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Join a corp that wants someone to do some production for them. If they don't already have a POS, they're not the right corp for you to join.
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Spicy Monkey
HOOTERZ INC.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rhovinian
I mean when a new player looks at the que for material research and there is no place in the entire region with less than 3 weeks to go - that is incredibly daunting to improve a frigate BPO.
I mean I thought about dabbling in production to see what it is about - but I see the wait time just for access and forget that.
It makes me wonder how much breadth of the game is really available to a new player wanting to see what each area is about before moving in a targetted direction.
I'll put it this way. While you wait that 2 months for your research to complete you can train your production skills and mine. Giving you Industry V and Production Efficency V and also a nice big pile of Minerals to start out with.
If you want to start making money right away I would suggest running missions for the corp where you'll be processing your minerals just to eventually lessen the tax they charge for reprocessing... that's going to take forever, but alteast you'll have some isk in the bank.
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RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:09:00 -
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yes it is possible,
all you need is PE5,
re- Reseearch - if you can wait the 3 weeks for ME - it is not a big deal - in the long run - buy 2 bpos put one in research and build from the otherm, then swap ...
or pay some to do the research for you - there are competitive Empire POS research slots availeble
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Kurlieu
Gallente
The Ore House
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:48:00 -
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Sure there is. The 3 week lag is only at startup. Once you start rotating blueprints through PE and ME you really won't notice the lag.
You'll be getting completed prints at regular intervals and the real problem then becomes getting enough minerals to stay in production.
What you might consider doing at first is buying a 10 or 20 run BPC with decent PE & ME and build those frigates while you research your own. Once you get "your" research slots started, keep feeding those slots until you can cycle into a lower time delay slot. That way you can tie up a slot with your stuff, which is what someone is doing to you now. You can also set contracts with researchers to produce BPCs for you.
I'd also advise you to do a few ammunition prints since folks always need ammo. Keep in mind that an item that's hot today will go cold, or someone will undercut your prices to stake out a constellation or region. Be prepared to be flexible, both on pricing and location(s).
Regards,
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Rhovinian
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:53:00 -
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Thank you for each of the replies not accusing of an alt post.
This is my main and I have primarily been doing npc kill missions during the trial. I decided to stay - but I wanted to get a taste of the other aspects of Eve.
Don't know if production would interest me or not - but without a quick way to get a taste of the entire spectrum like time and material research I don't know if it would.
If I get bored with npc kill misssions - just looking to see what else may be of interest.
Getting an answer in Rookie Hell is hard enough, someone mentioned might get better luck getting an actual answer in forums but apparently based on the first three response there are people just waiting to accuse newbs of being other than genuine wheter it is in Rookie Hell in game or on the forums. Byte me each of you.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:18:00 -
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From what I've seen the production market is saturated anyway. 90% of items (at least in caldari space) sell for about the same price you'd get if you sold the minerals straight up. Most items are being purchased mainly for the purpose of getting reprocessed because the person selling them doesn't know what they're worth.
I highly, highly doubt that any new player can make any isk in production. People will of course say otherwise, but people will say anything.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:22:00 -
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As it happens, for the first time since I started playing, I've been looking in to production for some iskies.
Seriously? Well, NEW new players will struggle. Almost all products are being sold at such a narrow profit that you can't make any money at all without excellent production skills. Also, it often needs a fair bit of start up cash.
BUT, having said that, I'm already getting close to profitability after only a few weeks training. In a couple of months I should be manufacturing with the best of them. So if you're asking "can anyone new break in to manufacturing, or have The Cartels got it sealed up?" the answer is that yes, they can. Eventually.
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Derranna Elkadar
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:25:00 -
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Rhovinian: As someone already said, get a BPC from contracts to start. Don't bother with big stuff like ships, look into Ammo or common modules. Ammo is good because it is a perishable item (i.e. shooting it uses it up) so there is always a demand, especially in systems with lots of mission runners. You can make some decent ISK that way.
Heck, if you want some ammo BPCs to start send me an evemail and I'll contract a couple max run researched antimatter large ones I have to you for free. Cheers!
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Rhovinian
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:38:00 -
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I am lost I am sure, how do I get BPC from contracts? Is that something I see in the standard market window? Not looking to make killer ISK just looking to see what production is all about and how it works in the economy.
I have some small ammo BPO and have made some runs for my own use. So I decided to try to do a material research on the one I use the most to see how much impact it would have. Doesn't even matter to my production as I have more than enough material to run as much ammo as I would ever use.
Having done the ammo was looking into doing some silly frigate like a slasher or something but then the materials start to matter, LOL.
Thanks very much for the sincere responses! Net, net the forum has been easier than getting an answer in Rookie Help channel.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rhovinian
Edited by: Rhovinian on 31/08/2007 18:57:34
Thank you for each of the replies not accusing of an alt post. There were helpful. I hate joining a group, regretting it and tend to stay and be miserable and then leave when I have gotten frustrated. I guess I need to get over that and just join and hopefully if it doesn't suit me I just leave. In MMO I tend to solo until I find my area of interest then look for a group where I fit - but might not work so well here.
This is my main and I have primarily been doing npc kill missions during the trial. I decided to stay - but I wanted to get a taste of the other aspects of Eve.
Don't know if production would interest me or not - but without a quick way to get a taste of the entire spectrum like time and material research I don't know if it would.
If I get bored with npc kill misssions - just looking to see what else may be of interest.
Getting an answer in Rookie Hell is hard enough, someone mentioned might get better luck getting an actual answer in forums but apparently based on the first three response there are people just waiting to accuse newbs of being other than genuine wheter it is in Rookie Hell in game or on the forums. Byte me each of you.
Honestly, it is much much much much much easier to make your first few billion by joining a 0.0 corp in a 0.0 alliance and ratting and mining there. Refine all your ratting loot and sell minerals from both ratting and mining, or whichever one you prefer doing more. Once you have a nice financial base then try out production.
That is just my opinion, some people may disagree, especially if you can't stand mining or ratting. Mission running is another alternative to building up your cash base. And the entire time your building up you wallet, you can be training skills that will make it easy for you to get into production.
Rhaegor Stormborn
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Falbala
Gallente
Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2007.08.31 19:51:00 -
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You want to be producer? Alright.
choice 1) Make your own corp or join a newbies corp. Nobody experimented will let you produce anything in a veteran corp.
choice 2) Get Production Efficiency level 5. Once you have it the most experimented corps wont let you do much but you can join some reasonnably sized corp as producer.
About skills, you need to get your learning skills first, then focus on PE5. If you are on your own you will need to get money to buy skills and rent factories. You will need to decide if you want to be researcher too. I wouldn't recommend that you do it too soon. You should choose either the missions path or the miner path. I would recommend missions because it will be easier to buy minerals if you are at the right place than mining and refinng efficiently (that would mean more skills and investments).
What to start with? Small ammo is an excellent choice, make sure the BPCs you get are researched for productivity time, then try drones and frigates, some frigates don't require zydrine/megacyte, I let you find which as an exercise, this is the producer job to figure out such things :D.
Once more experimented try medium ammo, missiles, modules, then you can try cruisers and up.
If you are associated with a trader it will make your life much easier. Or become producer/trader/mission runner which is what I do most of the time.
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Etrusan
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Posted - 2007.08.31 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rhovinian
I mean when a new player looks at the que for material research and there is no place in the entire region with less than 3 weeks to go - that is incredibly daunting to improve a frigate BPO.
I mean I thought about dabbling in production to see what it is about - but I see the wait time just for access and forget that.
It makes me wonder how much breadth of the game is really available to a new player wanting to see what each area is about before moving in a targetted direction.
Science and research is a different career path from production. I buy all my own BPCs and I have a fairly decent business going.
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Jastra
Gallente
Core Domination
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.08.31 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rhovinian
I mean when a new player looks at the que for material research and there is no place in the entire region with less than 3 weeks to go - that is incredibly daunting to improve a frigate BPO.
I mean I thought about dabbling in production to see what it is about - but I see the wait time just for access and forget that.
It makes me wonder how much breadth of the game is really available to a new player wanting to see what each area is about before moving in a targetted direction.
Buy a BPC
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rhovinian
I am lost I am sure, how do I get BPC from contracts? Is that something I see in the standard market window? Not looking to make killer ISK just looking to see what production is all about and how it works in the economy.
Its a different window. The icon is on your neocom on the left of the screen, called "contracts". You can use it to search through auctions and item exchanges. Thats where you'll find all BPC's.
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.08.31 21:36:00 -
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Queue*
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wamingo
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.31 21:38:00 -
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Pirate loot is the reason prices are lower than production costs and destroys most chance of turning a profit on most things. I wrote that here just today. Please go comment.
Some things are still profitable. But it takes a lot of research to find something really good. That's what turns people off and what leaves a few spots.
The worst thing however is that if at any time someone decides to outbid you and you're not working out of the same area you'll have to invest skill points in alts or expect to be doing a good deal of traveling for tediously small profit.
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