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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.09.01 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: JadalofOblivion
Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
If you dont know the meaning of a word, it's best not to use it.
/boggle
I believe this is libel 
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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wictro
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.02 00:24:00 -
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"never pay ransoms" is total and utter bull :)
never say never is more like it.
people will not stop pirating, if people dont pay ransoms. they'll make their is with your wreck and loot. And most of them aren't after your ISK anyway.
It's an option for the victim, and it's totally up the situation and sum to decide to take, or not to take the suggestion.
i've ransomed and got ransomed myself too. I've met only people that do honor them.
there are people that just want to scam you, but "never pay" is not a good advice.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.02 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: wictro "never pay ransoms" is total and utter bull :)
never say never is more like it.
people will not stop pirating, if people dont pay ransoms. they'll make their is with your wreck and loot. And most of them aren't after your ISK anyway.
It's an option for the victim, and it's totally up the situation and sum to decide to take, or not to take the suggestion.
i've ransomed and got ransomed myself too. I've met only people that do honor them.
there are people that just want to scam you, but "never pay" is not a good advice.
I personally know a number of pirates who have gotten into other lines of work because they simply cannot make enough off of T2 loot anymore.
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.09.02 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 02/09/2007 02:58:22
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: JadalofOblivion
Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
If you dont know the meaning of a word, it's best not to use it.
/boggle
I believe this is libel 
Has this been sorted by courts yet? The internet has sort of fudged the lines between slander and libel. Maybe not the place for that discussion but an interesting one.
I would HOPE the pirate community would police itself to some extent. Offering ransoms seems a cool part of EVE if only as an option. Certainly for some they make good money doing it.
Even if MOST pirates honour a ransom it only takes a few asshats to bork the whole system. Perception can easily outweigh reality. Rather than a pat on the back for ruthlessness I would think most here would not be happy with pirates not being good to their word on a ransom. If for no other reason than it ultimately impacts other pirates' wallets.
That said the OP (or anyone making this claim) had better have good proof it happened. I forget if the OP is the same guy who posted in GD yesterday but I told him to post here with screenies. Seems he tried chat logs which of course is a no-no and can be faked.
To the OP pics or STFU. All you need to do is screenshot your wallet and screenshot your killmail. If you cannot do that then you are full of it.
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Moridin920
Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
Is that even an option? I think the GM is just going to laugh at you... Otherwise everyone who smacked would get petioned.
Anyway, you'll find most pirates will honor ransoms. It's just straight bad business not to, because then a forum post gets made and no one pays them their ransoms anymore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |

ImmortaL ZoorZ
Blood Corsair's The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:31:00 -
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Thats as lame as Anvil alliance who dont honor 1v1's |

Moridin920
Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.02 07:54:00 -
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I don't think anyone honors 1v1s set up in local in the spur of the moment. Out of all of those I've seen, not a single one has been honored. Ever.
Go to a tournament if you want that... Otherwise expect to get ganked if you give a location to meet at in 5 mins. If its a surpise 1v1, finish quickly and assume he has friends coming the second you warp scramble him. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |

M15510NMaN000101
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.02 09:11:00 -
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Wow evilempire can't put a full post into 1 post. That's LAWL. Honorable pirates respect their clients and allow them safe passage out. The other's aren't really the majority of the whole.
If you can't be trusted to honor ransoms then you shouldn't even be a pirate because you'll just be sifting thru wrecks and usually never getting rich. Isk is the name of the game at the end of the day so if you shut your opportunities off due to such behavior then it is your own fault and hopefully so you should be broke within a week.
If you accidently killed the client or he took too long to pay but DID. give the isk back. You will gain more respect from your clients that way. AND, they should learn to pay sooner.
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Evilempire1
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Posted - 2007.09.02 12:34:00 -
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He did not pay me, there is no reason to kill the subject more if he had payed me he would of posted screen shots when i told him too 24 hours ago, notive he hasnt said i word after i said I pentitioned him for slander who do you think is tell the truth , the kid with no evidence at all that he had payed me cause he has not and stop talking the sec i threaten him with a pentition, take your own opinion i dont care next person to get ransomed by me can verify , yes i did try to post chat logs and i have other witness in the system that kno i didnt take this kids money and his drake, and you kno what if i had done it like that i would laugh in his face and admit it, its a frigan game. Whenever the guy saying i did this wants to grow up and get a set he can go right ahead and post that screen shot of his transactions showing he payed me, i know for a fact he didnt pay me the only way to settle it is that. So BRING IT ON lets see the evidence, if he glove dont fit i didnt commit the crime ;0.
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M15510NMaN000101
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.02 13:07:00 -
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my statements weren't personally focused to you other, than you seemed to post a one liner 5 times when it could be all made in one.
The rest was to any player who follows these tactics because at some point you will regret it in the long run. GL, kill and ransom, ransom and kill...
Adios.
PROFFESIONALL ALT POSTER
I Know DEREK I R EXPERT I Play With MYSELF Verone > Stavros
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.09.02 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 02/09/2007 02:58:22
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: JadalofOblivion
Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
If you dont know the meaning of a word, it's best not to use it.
/boggle
I believe this is libel 
Has this been sorted by courts yet? The internet has sort of fudged the lines between slander and libel. Maybe not the place for that discussion but an interesting one.
I would HOPE the pirate community would police itself to some extent. Offering ransoms seems a cool part of EVE if only as an option. Certainly for some they make good money doing it.
Even if MOST pirates honour a ransom it only takes a few asshats to bork the whole system. Perception can easily outweigh reality. Rather than a pat on the back for ruthlessness I would think most here would not be happy with pirates not being good to their word on a ransom. If for no other reason than it ultimately impacts other pirates' wallets.
That said the OP (or anyone making this claim) had better have good proof it happened. I forget if the OP is the same guy who posted in GD yesterday but I told him to post here with screenies. Seems he tried chat logs which of course is a no-no and can be faked.
To the OP pics or STFU. All you need to do is screenshot your wallet and screenshot your killmail. If you cannot do that then you are full of it.
Only stupid people would misunderstand slander and libel... slander is spoken, libel is written... on the Eve O forums it is written, therefore it is libel. A video link of him saying the same stuff would be slander 
Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
Originally by: TheDagda *click* For the love of the jovians stops necroing
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Ikel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.09.02 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Evilempire1 He did not pay me, there is no reason to kill the subject more if he had payed me he would of posted screen shots when i told him too 24 hours ago, notive he hasnt said i word after i said I pentitioned him for slander who do you think is tell the truth , the kid with no evidence at all that he had payed me cause he has not and stop talking the sec i threaten him with a pentition, take your own opinion i dont care next person to get ransomed by me can verify , yes i did try to post chat logs and i have other witness in the system that kno i didnt take this kids money and his drake, and you kno what if i had done it like that i would laugh in his face and admit it, its a frigan game. Whenever the guy saying i did this wants to grow up and get a set he can go right ahead and post that screen shot of his transactions showing he payed me, i know for a fact he didnt pay me the only way to settle it is that. So BRING IT ON lets see the evidence, if he glove dont fit i didnt commit the crime ;0.
English please? -------
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.09.02 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Avaricia on 02/09/2007 14:53:56 Edited by: Avaricia on 02/09/2007 14:53:43 Lame. When it comes to bounties, thre are two basic rules: 1) don't try to haggle, pay or don't; 2) you're released without further harm. I don't make a habit of ransoming people personally, but I do every now and again. If people make a counteroffer or so much as utter the words "i only have" convo is closed and the ship is finished without a second chance given. If they pay quickly and easily, I warp out and leave them alone. If the ransomee has a good attitude about the whole thing, I leave them alone for the day and let them go about their business. Couple of times I've helped them finish missions, one guy was having trouble killing the frigs in his mission, so I warped back in with my wolf and popped them for him so he could complete.
Anyway, sorry you got ripped off, sadly posting here is about all you can do aside from getting revenge on your own. While there may be no laws in low-sec, there's a code of not-being-an-asshat.
edit: read the thread again, this time paying attention. lol.
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.09.02 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok I personally know a number of pirates who have gotten into other lines of work because they simply cannot make enough off of T2 loot anymore.
As much as it pains me to agree with a goon... yeah. As an example, I popped an ishkur, looted 2 125mm rail II, 1mn mwd II, 2 EANM II and a small rep II. Few months ago, this was near a 30mil haul. At present, it's barely 6 mil. Got a brutix and looted a few heavy ion II's and active T2 hardeners, these days the loot barely covered the cost of barrage M I had to send into him. Dishonoring ransoms is still a ****ty way to go about compensating for the lack of loot income, however.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.02 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Evilempire1 He did not pay me, there is no reason to kill the subject more if he had payed me he would of posted screen shots when i told him too 24 hours ago, notive he hasnt said i word after i said I pentitioned him for slander who do you think is tell the truth , the kid with no evidence at all that he had payed me cause he has not and stop talking the sec i threaten him with a pentition, take your own opinion i dont care next person to get ransomed by me can verify , yes i did try to post chat logs and i have other witness in the system that kno i didnt take this kids money and his drake, and you kno what if i had done it like that i would laugh in his face and admit it, its a frigan game. Whenever the guy saying i did this wants to grow up and get a set he can go right ahead and post that screen shot of his transactions showing he payed me, i know for a fact he didnt pay me the only way to settle it is that. So BRING IT ON lets see the evidence, if he glove dont fit i didnt commit the crime ;0.
the mroe you post, the worse you look Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.02 17:34:00 -
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The real money these days as far as piracy goes comes from extorting Empire corps with wardecs and POS ganking and so forth, as well as to a lesser extent, suicide ganking indys and freighters.
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
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ZOMGchampion
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Posted - 2007.09.02 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Evilempire1 He did not pay me, there is no reason to kill the subject more if he had payed me he would of posted screen shots when i told him too 24 hours ago, notive he hasnt said i word after i said I pentitioned him for slander who do you think is tell the truth , the kid with no evidence at all that he had payed me cause he has not and stop talking the sec i threaten him with a pentition, take your own opinion i dont care next person to get ransomed by me can verify , yes i did try to post chat logs and i have other witness in the system that kno i didnt take this kids money and his drake, and you kno what if i had done it like that i would laugh in his face and admit it, its a frigan game. Whenever the guy saying i did this wants to grow up and get a set he can go right ahead and post that screen shot of his transactions showing he payed me, i know for a fact he didnt pay me the only way to settle it is that. So BRING IT ON lets see the evidence, if he glove dont fit i didnt commit the crime ;0.
Can you not show your transactions at the time you killed the guy?
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Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.09.02 18:39:00 -
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Evilempire1 wins todays forum spam award.
I wonder if GMs give warnings for making absurd petitions. -------------- Fulfilling 0.0 Ammo needs since 2 days after being made. |

Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hyuuga Veralis Evilempire1 wins todays forum spam award.
I wonder if GMs give warnings for making absurd petitions.
Yes, making BS petitions is bannable. Example: during the XZH thing, a D2 guy logged off, then petitioned as stuck with an alt so that he wouldn't log back in, warp to an area full of angry goons, and get popped.
This was found out and he got petitioned, and banned for a few days as a result.
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
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Denton Frost
Amarr KSI
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Posted - 2007.09.02 19:34:00 -
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lol.
stop crying.
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Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.09.03 01:58:00 -
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yeah t2 loot is worth nothing now, gotta hope for faction when they 'splodey 
ransoms are for pods...
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.03 02:48:00 -
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Recently I've heard that miners haven't been honoring ransoms on roids and keep shooting until they explode.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |

MasterDecoy
Gallente The Grifters
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Posted - 2007.09.03 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Evilempire1 good, i'm petitioning you for slandering.
HAHA   
Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
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Evilempire1
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Posted - 2007.09.03 04:12:00 -
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http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/Evil0.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/evil1.jpg
Both chars used in the slaughter of the retarted drake pilot and both of there transactions. Now everyone can stop whinning. 
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.03 04:24:00 -
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showing us buy/sell transactions doesn't prove anything muppet Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Ess Erbe
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.03 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Evilempire1 http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/Evil0.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/evil1.jpg
Both chars used in the slaughter of the retarted drake pilot and both of there transactions. Now everyone can stop whinning. 
While he technically may have "bought" his life with a ransom, player donations don't show up in transactions log. Journal or nothing :D.
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Moridin920
Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.03 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Moridin920 on 03/09/2007 09:00:12 At this time I would like to humbly point out that saying "if the glove don't fit you must acquit" or words to that effect, and thereby referencing the OJ trial might not be a good thing to do if you are trying to claim innocence.
But that's just me.
Edit: (Realized this might confuse some, look at the last line of evilempire's last post). I also just realized that this edit might offend some people who aren't complete noobs at using forums, and for that I apologize. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.09.03 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Moridin920 Edited by: Moridin920 on 03/09/2007 09:00:12 At this time I would like to humbly point out that saying "if the glove don't fit you must acquit" or words to that effect, and thereby referencing the OJ trial might not be a good thing to do if you are trying to claim innocence.
But that's just me.
Edit: (Realized this might confuse some, look at the last line of evilempire's last post). I also just realized that this edit might offend some people who aren't complete noobs at using forums, and for that I apologize.
LAdies and gentlemen of the supposed jury.... this is Chewbacca... 
Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
Originally by: TheDagda *click* For the love of the jovians stops necroing
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Fallen Elite
Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.03 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Evilempire1 http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/Evil0.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/evil1.jpg
Both chars used in the slaughter of the retarted drake pilot and both of there transactions. Now everyone can stop whinning. 
I took the time to lol at your incompetency.  ------
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Evilempire1
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Posted - 2007.09.03 12:23:00 -
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You all need to take some ADHD medicine or something
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/evill.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0709/2007.09.03.12.12.24.jpg
I love how every cliams your guilty right off the bat.
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