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Hrett Quantum Cats Syndicate 23	Posted - 2012.01.17 20:23:00 - [1] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 291	Posted - 2012.01.17 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote I'm onboard with everything but the Talos buffing. Talos does not need to be better. That said, hooray for frigate and crusier buff and battlecruiser speed/agility nerf!
Deen Wispa Screaming War Eagles Incorporated 75	Posted - 2012.01.17 20:52:00 - [3] - Quote Petrus Blackshell wrote: I'm onboard with everything but the Talos buffing. Talos does not need to be better. That said, hooray for frigate and crusier buff and battlecruiser speed/agility nerf! Yeah, I don't get why the Talos needs buffing. All of the stuff that CCP makes sense but as always, it's just a matter of when or if they'll get around to it. Hope to see a buff to T1 Frigs/Cruisers so the newbie pilots will PVP more. It's really a bad mindset to instill into newbies that they should wait till they can pilot a BC in order to be useful. .
Zarnak Wulf Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2012.01.17 20:57:00 - [4] - Quote I will be upset if they nerf the Naga. It is what a Caldari rail boat should be. What's wrong? It give the Tornado a run for it's money?
Hoskoal Ricks Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.01.17 21:14:00 - [5] - Quote I have to assume the talos/naga comments were typos or the CSM and CCP are completely unaware of what both ships are capable of at present.
Shaalira D'arc Quantum Cats Syndicate 346	Posted - 2012.01.17 21:40:00 - [6] - Quote The CSM and CCP comments were made Dec. 7-9, not too long after Crucible's release. Since then we've had a month of real flying and combat to see how the tier 3 BCs perform on the live server. The Talos is one of those surprises where the ship's actual performance surpassed the low expectations created by stat crunching and theory crafting. I think the metagame is still adapting to Crucible. Pilots are still heavily affected by what's already in their hangar and by their instinctive preconception of what a ship can do.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 291	Posted - 2012.01.17 21:54:00 - [7] - Quote Shaalira D'arc wrote: The CSM and CCP comments were made Dec. 7-9, not too long after Crucible's release. Since then we've had a month of real flying and combat to see how the tier 3 BCs perform on the live server. The Talos is one of those surprises where the ship's actual performance surpassed the low expectations created by stat crunching and theory crafting. I think the metagame is still adapting to Crucible. Pilots are still heavily affected by what's already in their hangar and by their instinctive preconception of what a ship can do. That... is an excellent point. Everyone should keep in mind that this is not current data they were working from. I still hope they don't buff the ~~Naga~~ Talos based on the old data, though. Edit: Dammit, there I go swapping their names. I really make myself look stupid sometimes.
Zarnak Wulf Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2012.01.17 21:58:00 - [8] - Quote They were talking about nerfing the Naga.
Clementina The Scope 49	Posted - 2012.01.17 23:20:00 - [9] - Quote I don't see any problem with the Naga or the Talos. I find it somewhat strange that tiericide was not mentioned explicitly, even though it would help greatly with boosting Tech 1 frigates and cruisers.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 598	Posted - 2012.01.17 23:22:00 - [10] - Quote They also seemed to back off from the +1 slot to AFs... -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren

Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 293	Posted - 2012.01.17 23:27:00 - [11] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: They also seemed to back off from the +1 slot to AFs... -Liang Remember that this is minutes of stuff that happened a month ago, before AF changes hit SiSi. Apparently they changed their mind.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 600	Posted - 2012.01.17 23:59:00 - [12] - Quote Well I hope they back off again - not that I have any trouble making current AFs stand up and dance to my tune. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Cyzlaki Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD. 199	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:07:00 - [13] - Quote This just in for the CSM - a 1700 DPS ship needs buffing
Zarnak Wulf Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:12:00 - [14] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Well I hope they back off again - not that I have any trouble making current AFs stand up and dance to my tune. -Liang Yes. The half of them that are actually useable are great.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 601	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:20:00 - [15] - Quote Funny, almost everyone was telling me that the Harpy was one of those unusable AFs... -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Goose99 682	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:24:00 - [16] - Quote Good god! Drake with rop and missile velocity bonus? Throw more missiles, further... The old kin bonus (lol) is crap anyway, and Drake minus 5% resist is still a lot of buffer. Besides, where does this leave Cerebrus and... Sac. Are they trying to make this BC overshadow HAC counterparts even more? It's like Hail ammo changes. Buffing the FOTM further, because that's what CSM is using.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 293	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:27:00 - [17] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Funny, almost everyone was telling me that the Harpy was one of those unusable AFs... -Liang It's so unusable, what with all the shields and those hybrid bonuses and everything.
Zarnak Wulf Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:30:00 - [18] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Funny, almost everyone was telling me that the Harpy was one of those unusable AFs... -Liang Good: Harpy Wolf Jag Ishkur Vengeance. Crap: Retribution Enyo Hawk The Enyo would be okay if it were 5-3-3 with the double damage bonus. The Hawk has never impressed me. And the Retribution? Take a low for the mid and the tanking committee will become enraged. Take the utility high for the mid and you limit what the ship can do via nos and tackling. Take a turret? The ship already does below average damage compared to some of the others.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 294	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:35:00 - [19] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Funny, almost everyone was telling me that the Harpy was one of those unusable AFs... -Liang Good: Harpy Wolf Jag Ishkur Vengeance. Crap: Retribution Enyo Hawk The Enyo would be okay if it were 5-3-3 with the double damage bonus. The Hawk has never impressed me. And the Retribution? Take a low for the mid and the tanking committee will become enraged. Take the utility high for the mid and you limit what the ship can do via nos and tackling. Take a turret? The ship already does below average damage compared to some of the others. Retribution is great with a kiting fit as fast DPS support: 2.7 km/s with 120 DPS at 20 km range, and 6.5k EHP that is immune to Warrior II drones because of Amarr resistances. I will love flying it after the buff since I will be able to do the same thing, except solo because I will fit a point. The Enyo is great in the same way (125mm Railguns, etc), but it can fit a point. It just has a spot of cap problems, and that can be easily solved. Enyo is also great if you get someone to tackle for it, then use blasters with Void to provide heavy, heavy DPS. After the buff, it will be even more amazing. I haven't flown the Hawk because I don't like active tanks. No comment there. AFs are underrated because people try to fly them like bloody tackle Rifters. They're each good at something, you just gotta figure out what it is. The buff gives them far more things they will be good at.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 602	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:35:00 - [20] - Quote The ships can all be fixed with a 4th bonus and maybe a couple of ships with some slot moving. They don't all need a 4th bonus, a role bonus, an extra slot, extra HP, and extra fittings. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren

Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 98	Posted - 2012.01.18 00:59:00 - [21] - Quote Command ships getting the 5% bonus and Strategic cruisers the 3%? Booyah. Eos getting love? 'bout time. EW frigs getting a buff? Booyah. Cloak hunters? Lol. Sensor damp buff? Booyah! Especially if they look into the Lachesis' PG issues. Drake nerf? Hahaha. So you'll get slightly less tank but more spank...that's hardly going to reduce the popularity of the ship. Separately, the idea of a new class of capital is intriguing. Something with a half million EHP and superpoint to hold onto supercaps, and enough pew pew ability to monster a few BS's wouldn't be entirely OP. Also, if you could please make it a bit smaller than a million tonnes in mass it would open up a lot of fun in low-end WH's. I also think the idea of giving supercaps higher base warp strength isn't entirely bad..but will favor hotdropping them onto small gangs which cannot then tackle the supercap. This will lead to the same level of invulnerability they had before Crucible, when used as guerilla warfare tools. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Kaede Kimura Epsilon Inc STORM. 9	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:32:00 - [22] - Quote What blasphemy! None shalt profane the holy Drake with thine nerfs!
Khrage 61	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:39:00 - [23] - Quote holy holy! that drake change. though it would make the sacrilege worth no more than a piece of tin. i don't even want to know how much dps i'd be able to pull out of my maxed HAM drake with two damage bonuses...
Kaede Kimura Epsilon Inc STORM. 9	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:44:00 - [24] - Quote Khrage wrote: holy holy! that drake change. though it would make the sacrilege worth no more than a piece of tin. i don't even want to know how much dps i'd be able to pull out of my maxed HAM drake with two damage bonuses... Quote: it would lose the shield resistance bonusand the 5% Kinetic damage bonus and instead gain a rate of fire bonus and a missile velocity bonus.
Super Chair Project Cerberus 110	Posted - 2012.01.18 07:51:00 - [25] - Quote I always thought the theme was to have amarr missile boats have a RoF bonus whereas caldari had the kinetic damage bonus. Anyhow, naga doesn't need nerfed. With antimatter loaded at 70km away (its optimal) it has trouble hitting hitting cruisers crashing the gate, and still has issues hitting frigs going under 1k m/s at 230 Km.... Talos buffing? Not sure about that just yet. I mean...ive seen it scram and web frigs and kill them. Talk about contradicting a teir 3 bc's intended weakness. A naga would die if tackled by a frig, just saying. If they go through with those drake changes kiss the cerb's niche role goodbye. (oh and the drake will still be tankier than a cerb at this point, LOL). The sacs role would be effectively gone as well. Why fly a sac when you can fly a drake? If they redefine the drakes role to replace other "specialized" ships like tech 2 cruisers, give them a new role too. I'm all for teir 1 BC re-balancing in addition to frig/cruiser re-balancing.
Khrage 61	Posted - 2012.01.18 08:21:00 - [26] - Quote Kaede Kimura wrote: Khrage wrote: holy holy! that drake change. though it would make the sacrilege worth no more than a piece of tin. i don't even want to know how much dps i'd be able to pull out of my maxed HAM drake with two damage bonuses... Quote: it would lose the shield resistance bonusand the 5% Kinetic damage bonus and instead gain a rate of fire bonus and a missile velocity bonus. thank you for pointing that out. i need to get some sleep, haha. that actually seems like a good change for the drake. and will make the sacrilege more viable! i'm sorry sacrilege for ever thinking about casting you aside. i hope you forgive me. it's going to ** off a ton of drake pilots though... haha Super Chair wrote: If they go through with those drake changes kiss the cerb's niche role goodbye. (oh and the drake will still be tankier than a cerb at this point, LOL). The sacs role would be effectively gone as well. Why fly a sac when you can fly a drake?** If they redefine the drakes role to replace other "specialized" ships like tech 2 cruisers, give them a new role too. i disagree and feel the bonuses the drake has now are more harmful to the sac then the purposed change would be. but haven't looked to into it since i am tired. will revisit when fully alive.
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 807	Posted - 2012.01.18 08:27:00 - [27] - Quote The Drake change isn't really much of a nerf, just more of a role-change. The ROF bonus is welcome, as it will allow more viable selectable damage types. Velocity bonus could bring some nice HAM fits, and the nano Drake may use HAMs to great benefit.
Elindreal Planetary Interactors 77	Posted - 2012.01.19 02:24:00 - [28] - Quote maybe they meant missile explosion velocity for the hams ^.^
Khrage 62	Posted - 2012.01.19 05:54:00 - [29] - Quote i'll be looking forward to faster drake hunting in smaller ships now that their tank won't be so annoying. and i know people think this 'nerf' will actually make the sacrilege even more worthless - but head to head (or if you don't like to think 1v1 think small AHAC gang v small drake gang), anyone else believe the sacrilege (AB) would beat the purposed new HAM drake (missile velocity and RoF bonuses)?
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet 87	Posted - 2012.01.19 11:05:00 - [30] - Quote I want to see a T2 dread(or BS) with a mega point, finaly a full tree fro dictors!!(cepter->dictor->HIC->BOOOYAAA!!!) I want to see a T2 carrier with a mass reduction modual(yessss lets all go in this WH/get titan jumped) Drake had it coming and wierdy is getting a buff? ok!!! Comand ships, bout time Electronic attack ships!!! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! yes plz! But why not BLOP!! or Zoidberg for that matter.

river Zateki The Elysian Agoge Elysian Empire 11	Posted - 2012.01.21 00:38:00 - [31] - Quote I'm crying with joy over the drake changes, the vengeance and retribution changes, and the t1 BC balances. I dont give a crap about any capitals lol
Garr Earthbender Quantum Cats Syndicate 32	Posted - 2012.01.21 00:50:00 - [32] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The ships can all be fixed with a 4th bonus and maybe a couple of ships with some slot moving. They don't all need a 4th bonus, a role bonus, an extra slot, extra HP, and extra fittings. -Liang Agreed with you on this one. I'd say the Retribution is the only one that needs the +1 slot. Everything else would be FINE without them.


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