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Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:39:00 -
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Here's some things that I'd like to see for the next tournament:
1. No implants 2. Allow warping within the arena (but no warping in or out) 3. Make the arena bigger, or perhaps give it boundaries so that you "bounce off" the edges 4. Allow more ships than 10 5. Let the cameras have a tactical overlay of the entire field, with insets for close-ups 6. Bring back "Red" and "Blue" tags to tell opponents apart (and their drones) 7. Give the commentators cloaked ships so they can see for themselves what's going on. Perhaps put up a big screen of what the camera operators are seeing so they can see both at once. 8. Make a "recording" of the match that can be played back by us in our Eve clients after the match.
The key to some of this is to adjust how the camera operators can lock onto ships, and change how the tournament is displayed. This would require a lot of work for the Eve Devs, and all this alt-BS in the EveTV forum is probably not endearing them to the general public. I do think that these changes would be worthwhile and make matches more interesting than a tank-fest. That and I'd like to field a classic Agony frig-pack with 33 frigates!
(Forgive me, but I know I'll get a lot of flames for this one, just trying to drum up some discussion) --- PvP Training: www.agony-unleashed.com "I <3 XxAngelxX" ;) |
JoeSomebody
No Trademark The OSS
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:49:00 -
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1) i see absolutely no reason for that... nor restriction for using rigs either. Somehow you allowed to bring faction BS into fight, not faction implant? Whats the point of this?
2) i dont see reason for not warping out either, other than simplifying judgment on who won if bunch of people left arena by the end of the match. Which can be easily fixed by assuming that any ship not in arena by the end is destroyed by opposing team and count points accordingly. Also if you cannot hold your target in place - you don't deserve win... enough with gazillion dampening Caracals please!
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Dei
Amarr Guiders' Of Light
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:54:00 -
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tbh I would like to see a 'premier' league that would feature only the top few alliances in a load of matches facing off multiple times, maybe even in a big bloodbowl type tourney. This would be alternative to the tourney we have now, because let's face it - it might as well be the corp league with no rigs and t2 only equipment.
I want to see estamel's and t2 rigs to see proper tanking abilities and hard gank. And since the top few alliances will only be able to afford this kind of stuff, they will only be the ones that compete. The prize would be fitting of course....maybe unique motherships or something. ---
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Andor Traxel
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2007.09.04 17:13:00 -
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We have witnessed the effect that the forums can have. A rule change that I would suggest is that the teams be held accountable for their forum posts. As in any sporting event, it is not for the players or the captains/coaches to dispute official rulings in the public eye. Forum posts by team members that refer to the referees rulings(sadly to which I am guilty) should be dealt with strictly and harshly. It is not our place to argue these rulings in public. A line must be drawn, and we should all be held accountable for our conduct. EVE is better than this.
Sincerely,
Andor Traxel Sub(human) Commander Nebula Rasa Holdings
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jamesw
Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.09.04 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: jamesw on 04/09/2007 17:28:21
Originally by: Dez Erichs 7. Give the commentators cloaked ships so they can see for themselves what's going on. Perhaps put up a big screen of what the camera operators are seeing so they can see both at once.
We actually do have exactly that. On one side we can see the exact feed going out on the stream, on the other we have our own client that we use to read local, do show info's, check velocity, range etc.
This --> http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/jamesw-eve/commentator_and_camera_PC's.JPG is a shot of the commentator desk from last time (eve forums does not like ' in the url so no linky for u). 2 commentator screens on the left, 2 in game cameras on the right.
We have pretty much the same layout this time around, except we also have a tv camera poking in between them to show our ugly mugs at the end of each fight. --
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Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.04 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
We actually do have exactly that. On one side we can see the exact feed going out on the stream, on the other we have our own client that we use to read local, do show info's, check velocity, range etc.
Cool, thanks jamesw! Is that a bottle of Quafe on the table? --- PvP Training: www.agony-unleashed.com "I <3 XxAngelxX" ;) |
Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.04 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dei tbh I would like to see a 'premier' league that would feature only the top few alliances in a load of matches facing off multiple times, maybe even in a big bloodbowl type tourney. This would be alternative to the tourney we have now, because let's face it - it might as well be the corp league with no rigs and t2 only equipment.
I want to see estamel's and t2 rigs to see proper tanking abilities and hard gank. And since the top few alliances will only be able to afford this kind of stuff, they will only be the ones that compete. The prize would be fitting of course....maybe unique motherships or something.
You do have a point there. I watched the second alliance tournament and passed on the third. What I saw was all the major alliances fitting their ships to the gills with officer and faction and pirate implants, so basically it was a war of isk and not skill. It's evident that some people like to see that sort of thing.
My idea of a tournament would have it depend on player and team skills / tactics and not isk, and the current tournament favours this. --- PvP Training: www.agony-unleashed.com "I <3 XxAngelxX" ;) |
Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.04 18:50:00 -
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A link to Rells' suggestion for a GM Arena Bubble:
Deployable Arena Bubble the GMs need for the next tournament.
Sounds like a great idea, but there certainly isn't time to implement it for this tourney. --- PvP Training: www.agony-unleashed.com "I <3 XxAngelxX" ;) |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.04 20:09:00 -
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- allow rigs - make the arena have a 300km radius, with various objects that can be warped to. - mark the center of the arena with some unique item which can be added to the overview. As it stands now, you cannot add beacons to your overview because there are so many in system, and thus, there is no easy way to determine your current distance from the center of the arena. This is a big problem for fast frigs who can go out of bounds in about 3 seconds if they lose track of the center.
Shamis
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.09.04 20:15:00 -
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Allow capital ships of any kind.
Don't know about you guys but personally I would love to see MC or anyone that can bring in some MoM's, or something along those lines.
Allow warping within arena
Remove any restrictions on equipment used, if you can afford it then don't enter.
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Riho
Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.09.04 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Erichs Here's some things that I'd like to see for the next tournament:
1. No implants 2. Allow warping within the arena (but no warping in or out) 3. Make the arena bigger, or perhaps give it boundaries so that you "bounce off" the edges 4. Allow more ships than 10 5. Let the cameras have a tactical overlay of the entire field, with insets for close-ups 6. Bring back "Red" and "Blue" tags to tell opponents apart (and their drones) 7. Give the commentators cloaked ships so they can see for themselves what's going on. Perhaps put up a big screen of what the camera operators are seeing so they can see both at once. 8. Make a "recording" of the match that can be played back by us in our Eve clients after the match.
The key to some of this is to adjust how the camera operators can lock onto ships, and change how the tournament is displayed. This would require a lot of work for the Eve Devs, and all this alt-BS in the EveTV forum is probably not endearing them to the general public. I do think that these changes would be worthwhile and make matches more interesting than a tank-fest. That and I'd like to field a classic Agony frig-pack with 33 frigates!
(Forgive me, but I know I'll get a lot of flames for this one, just trying to drum up some discussion)
1. why not :) 2. cant be done because the cameras will loose lock when you warp. 3. bigger.. dunno... boundaries.. nope!! because you need to know your self how far you are and that you dont go out of range 4.would be pretty ahrd to do it... the cameras cant fit all ships on the screen and make it watchable. 5. dunno 6. YES... 100% for that :) 7. think the comentators are allready there whit cloaked ships :P 8. not a good idea to implemet a video player in the client... to much hassel for devs and would make it less stable probably.
some of those questions where answerd in evetv (i have just posted em here) and some of them is my opinion and knowledge how eve works (on code level allso abit...tho its mostly guessing because i cant code python.........yet :P) --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog ----------------- |
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CCP Sharkbait
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Posted - 2007.09.04 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 04/09/2007 20:20:16
- mark the center of the arena with some unique item which can be added to the overview. As it stands now, you Shamis
Mindstar just read this and poked me about it. i have added a very small LCO in the center. so you can add LCO's to your overview and remove the beacons - Picutre.
the sign is alot smaller than in the picture
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.04 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 04/09/2007 20:20:16
- mark the center of the arena with some unique item which can be added to the overview. As it stands now, you Shamis
Mindstar just read this and poked me about it. i have added a very small LCO in the center. so you can add LCO's to your overview and remove the beacons - Picutre.
the sign is alot smaller than in the picture
Awesome. Thanks.
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Ed Anger
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Posted - 2007.09.04 22:10:00 -
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great tournament. but please, if there is a problem, fix it at the time of the fight so the fight can proceed.
deduct points or disqualify teams after some thought. nothing worse then not getting to fight/not getting to watch a fight.
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Marc Vestabule
Minmatar Amnion Partners
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Posted - 2007.09.04 22:10:00 -
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Given this is an event with a limited number of slots available to Alliances, and given that you no longer need to name a team beforehand, the failure of an Alliance to compete in all their matches (if not due to a judge's disqualification) should result in ban from all future Alliance tournaments for that Alliance.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.04 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marc Vestabule Given this is an event with a limited number of slots available to Alliances, and given that you no longer need to name a team beforehand, the failure of an Alliance to compete in all their matches (if not due to a judge's disqualification) should result in ban from all future Alliance tournaments for that Alliance.
No.
People make mistakes etc it was bound to happen with all the new rules, but please don't jump to instant forfeit.
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Marc Vestabule
Minmatar Amnion Partners
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Posted - 2007.09.04 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: Marc Vestabule stuff
No.
People make mistakes etc it was bound to happen with all the new rules, but please don't jump to instant forfeit.
I just want to make sure that if an Alliance signs up they complete all their matches and do not decide half way through they have better plans....and no I dont want it to be retrospective applied as that would be childish (and there has been enough of that already).
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.09.04 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 04/09/2007 20:20:16
- mark the center of the arena with some unique item which can be added to the overview. As it stands now, you Shamis
Mindstar just read this and poked me about it. i have added a very small LCO in the center. so you can add LCO's to your overview and remove the beacons - Picutre.
the sign is alot smaller than in the picture
By ghad! That solution almost feels "S-A safe". Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2007.09.05 01:07:00 -
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How about an entrance exam that tests basic skills such as the ability to count using the decimal system.
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Dez Erichs
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.05 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
- allow rigs
This one I partially disagree with, because I think it will lead to massive tanks making for a boring tourney. However, T1 rigs are easy to get and relatively cheap to fit, and now form a major part of PvP.
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
- make the arena have a 300km radius, with various objects that can be warped to.
This brings up an interesting point; would teams be allowed to use bookmarks in the arena? Would they get to make them before the match? I was thinking that the arena(s) would have to be moved each day. I'm curious as to what you had in mind for anchored cans to warp to, such as positions and ranges, etc.
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
- mark the center of the arena with some unique item which can be added to the overview. As it stands now, you cannot add beacons to your overview because there are so many in system, and thus, there is no easy way to determine your current distance from the center of the arena. This is a big problem for fast frigs who can go out of bounds in about 3 seconds if they lose track of the center.
Rells' idea for a GM Arena Bubble (see above) is a good one, it just requires some programming. Thank-you CCP Sharkbait for putting the LCO near the beacon.
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
- assign point values to every ship in the game, and make no restrictions on pilots, just number of points used. (frig swarms would be good for lols)
Yes, who would take a Bellicose, when they can take a Caracal or Vexor? Some ships simply are worth more than others. The Tier Two Battlecruisers are particularily more potent than the Tier Ones.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.05 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Marc Vestabule
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Originally by: Marc Vestabule stuff
No.
People make mistakes etc it was bound to happen with all the new rules, but please don't jump to instant forfeit.
I just want to make sure that if an Alliance signs up they complete all their matches and do not decide half way through they have better plans....and no I dont want it to be retrospective applied as that would be childish (and there has been enough of that already).
They already lose their (big) deposit if they miss a match, I believe.
Banning teams is counter-productive. All we the fans want is to watch some good teams have some good fights. Telling experienced teams they have a lifetime ban would only stop some decent fights happening, and thus is bad.
Lifetime bans should only ever be handed out for the very worst of the worst possible behaviour. ------
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NTRabbit
Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.05 11:12:00 -
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Warping within the arena is garbage. Makes the arena too big, and the fights far too long.
10 people per team is already enough, this is supposed to be small group fighting, not a blob tournament. ------
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Natalia Fachiri
Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.09.05 12:48:00 -
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3: a warning to the pilot and a 10-20 sec grace period to get back into range would be nice. 4: leave the point values (tweak them a bit maybe) and 100 point maximum in place, but allow people to field as many ships as they want, as long as their point total doesnt go over 100. 6: very much agreed. you cant really see much in the vids, mostly you see who is winning thru ship destructions. 8: a general replay function, like it is common in RTS games, would be very very awesome to have in general.
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Segge Bolled
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.05 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: NTRabbit Warping within the arena is garbage. Makes the arena too big, and the fights far too long.
10 people per team is already enough, this is supposed to be small group fighting, not a blob tournament.
I think warping within the arena would add an interesting tactical element to things.
As for having more than 10 people, I think this would be reasonable provided they stuck to the 100 points limit under the current ships table. After all, with the smallest point value being 3 for a T1 vanilla frigate, the maximum force you could amass is 33 frigates, and even then they'll be going up against teams of seasoned pilots, who may even utilise the same force scale. Naturally, to be effective at all under things like massed F.o.F. cruise missile fire you'd want a chain of command, discipline, organization and - oh no, we've been rumbled!
Seriously, though? The current limit seems to provide the best viewer quality - you can clearly see the status and identity of each ship when you watch the stream, yet you can still clearly see the arena.
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Fivetide
Amarr Crimson Strike The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.05 14:34:00 -
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I would like to see cheerleaders added to the screen. Commentators and presenters made to look like their in game portraits. A drunk version of a match.. With full-on abuse being visible in local chat. A surprise goonswarm logon blob randomly introduced per days matches. Slow motion replays of ôBoom Hull shotsö! Funny adverts during the breaks Monkeys juggling chainsaws on horseback. A shark swimming by. One of the moons in view turned into a Death Star. Lipstick on Trev. Sprial wearing chaps and cowboy hat and nothing else. Angle in drag.
All post are made with the aid of alcohol and without the use of a spell checker
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.06 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV How about an entrance exam that tests basic skills such as the ability to count using the decimal system.
Can you count to 1;40 in sexagesimal? Why does the base in which you count matter? The number to which you count is what you should care about, and potentially its base, if it's represented in a manner that requires knowledge of its base. The base in which you count is completely immaterial.
GB2AlgebraII. :P
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2007.09.06 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Lord XSiV How about an entrance exam that tests basic skills such as the ability to count using the decimal system.
Can you count to 1;40 in sexagesimal? Why does the base in which you count matter? The number to which you count is what you should care about, and potentially its base, if it's represented in a manner that requires knowledge of its base. The base in which you count is completely immaterial.
GB2AlgebraII. :P
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The post was obufascated so that the goons couldn't initially figure it out that it was in reference to them.
Seemed to have worked don't you think?
Also, just to point out the numbering system you made reference; how would you count to a fraction? (I am reading the 1;40 as 1 plus 40/60 which would be dec 1.666... so correct me if I misinterpreted something)
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.06 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Lord XSiV How about an entrance exam that tests basic skills such as the ability to count using the decimal system.
Can you count to 1;40 in sexagesimal? Why does the base in which you count matter? The number to which you count is what you should care about, and potentially its base, if it's represented in a manner that requires knowledge of its base. The base in which you count is completely immaterial.
GB2AlgebraII. :P
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The post was obufascated so that the goons couldn't initially figure it out that it was in reference to them.
Seemed to have worked don't you think?
Also, just to point out the numbering system you made reference; how would you count to a fraction? (I am reading the 1;40 as 1 plus 40/60 which would be dec 1.666... so correct me if I misinterpreted something)
How do you normally "count to" a non-Integer number? /me counts to 5.5: 0.5 1.5 2.5 3.5 4.5 5.5
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Anyway, to answer your question, 1;40 means that the first digit is 1, and the second digit is 40. In cuneiform, it'd look like this:
Alternately, you could write it like this:
In hexadecimal, it'd be: 3C
But, of course, you could just as easily represent it in hexadecimal with any system that allowed a single-numeral representation of 12, like so: 3
Or, since all numerals are meaningless without context, it could just as easily be: 3
Remember, kids, number may be universal and immortal, but numerals are fickle and relied upon far too much as absolute arbiters of an intended declared value!
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.09.06 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Shar''Tuk TheHated on 06/09/2007 03:51:28 I think they mentioned warping inside the arena, larger arena and cloaking and all that have to do with camaras losing lock. So that would be bad for EvE tv and if max lock range wasnt a problem with a larger arena that would only promote nano setups... enough said. Rigs would be cool though.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2007.09.06 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pilk Edited by: Pilk on 06/09/2007 14:03:17 Edited by: Pilk on 06/09/2007 14:00:35
Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Lord XSiV How about an entrance exam that tests basic skills such as the ability to count using the decimal system.
Can you count to 1;40 in sexagesimal? Why does the base in which you count matter? The number to which you count is what you should care about, and potentially its base, if it's represented in a manner that requires knowledge of its base. The base in which you count is completely immaterial.
GB2AlgebraII. :P
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The post was obufascated so that the goons couldn't initially figure it out that it was in reference to them.
Seemed to have worked don't you think?
Also, just to point out the numbering system you made reference; how would you count to a fraction? (I am reading the 1;40 as 1 plus 40/60 which would be dec 1.666... so correct me if I misinterpreted something)
How do you normally "count to" a non-Integer number? /me counts to 5.5: 0.5 1.5 2.5 3.5 4.5 5.5
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Anyway, to answer your question, 1;40 means that the first digit is 1, and the second digit is 40. In cuneiform, it'd look like this:
Alternately, you could write it like this:
Take the number sixty, for instance. In hexadecimal, it'd be: 3C
But, of course, you could just as easily represent it in hexadecimal with any system that allowed a single-numeral representation of 12, like so: 3
Or, since all numerals are meaningless without context, it could just as easily be: 3
Remember, kids, numbers may be universal and immortal, but numerals are fickle and relied upon far too much as absolute arbiters of an intended declared value!
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Ok. I thought that the shorthand writing represented a fraction (using the ; in 1;40) so I was off. Not like I use it everyday.
It is basically counting to 100 in dec which makes sense for the discussion.
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