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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.09.04 23:17:00 -
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I have been the CEO of a Empire war corp called TRAPs, The Really Awesome Players for over a year now.
I've had small number of pilots over the past year, but all of us still hang out in our own channel and chat and remain friends long after they've gone on to other things in the Eve universe.
During the course of our war dec'ing all these corps, I've run into a lot of strange people. People that I wonder why on Earth they decided to be a CEO or Alliance head.
A lot of these people just don't seem to care about their players, only themselves.
I am the CEO of a piratey-type of corp. We do war decs non-stop. Losing ships comes with the territory but I get bummed when my guys die. I don't mind dying myself but I hate when my guys lose. I feel I am to blame for it. I know I'm not, but I still feel responsible.
I try to give my guys good advice and a fun and friendly play environment. I cast no aspersions about our corp and what we do or how we play. So they are fully aware of what they're getting into, but I still feel bad, almost guilty sometimes that I wasn't there to help.
As a CEO, I feel responsible for them. I feel responsible for helping to make their game experience as fun as possible. I include them in all my thoughts behind the actions we take as a corp. They know the whos, whats, whys and how comes.
What puzzles me are the people that I have run into who don't seem to really give any thought to anyone but themselves. I've had CEO's say stuff like, "Go ahead, kill my corpmates, I don't care, I will just stay in station or log into my alt." or "I don't care what happens to them (corpmates/alliance members), as long as I am fine, I am happy."
What amazes me that these same people have 100+ man corps or 500+ man alliances behind them. All of them blindly following them, assuming they are being looked out for, when in reality, it seems they're just being used as pawns for the corp's/alliance's own good.
Some of these people actively recruit members during wars, not advising them of the peril they're in and not offering any protection to them whatsoever, but who are more than willing to tax them 15% to build the corps coffers.
I guess part of it would be the member's responsibility to question authority, but perhaps their trust in the CEO is enough for them to go on. I mean I've war dec'd corps for weeks at a time, only to have one of their members ask me "Why did you war dec us to begin with?" even though I've sent an email to their CEO advising them of the situation and what it will take to resolve it. I am constantly amazed that the players never even realized we would accept a surrender fee. Lots of poor communication it seems. A lot of it seems intentional though.
So I wanted to ask this question to the CEO's of corporations as well as heads of an alliance. Do you care about your members or do you only care about what they can offer you?
I like to think I do care about my guys. It's one of the reasons our chat channel stays busy with friends that have long left the corp but still stay in touch and help each other whenever possible.
Is it silly to care?
/me gets a tissue to wipe my watering eyes
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Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.04 23:22:00 -
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I've always run my corp on the motto: 'A finger in the bush is worth two on the hand'. Hope that helps.
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Spazmoid
Spectrum Solutions INC
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.04 23:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Nexa Necis
I am the CEO of a piratey-type of corp. We do war decs non-stop. Losing ships comes with the territory but I get bummed when my guys die.
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fugazii
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.09.04 23:35:00 -
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i didnt read your post, but to answer the threads title:
no, screw those peons.
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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.09.05 00:07:00 -
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As CEO of the ReeRee Brigade, I have to say I treasure each and every member of my corporation. When they suffer, I suffer. When they have fun, I have fun. It's a mystical bond that unites us -- like they're each an extension of myself.
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.09.05 00:11:00 -
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This isn't the forum to ask valid questions, the trolls will tear everything to tiny pieces and then put it together again according to their twisted little world.
But to answer your question, successful alliance leaders do care about their members, just like a successful real life CEO takes strategic human resource management seriously.
Which means one make strategic decisions that will keep the membership happy or at least content (strategic decisions like, who is blue who is not, who to lock horns with and who to avoid, what sort of taxation you will implement, which region you settle in, who to recruit and who to expel).
In my opinion, handing out tissue (i.e. feeling the pain of a lost ship) is the mid level management's job, directors and fleet commanders and not the CEO's. Of course it all depends on the size of the organization, in small corps and alliances where there is no established mid level management the role of the CEO is different.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.09.05 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jotan Veer
This isn't the forum to ask valid questions, the trolls will tear everything to tiny pieces and then put it together again according to their twisted little world.
But to answer your question, successful alliance leaders do care about their members, just like a successful real life CEO takes strategic human resource management seriously.
Which means one make strategic decisions that will keep the membership happy or at least content (strategic decisions like, who is blue who is not, who to lock horns with and who to avoid, what sort of taxation you will implement, which region you settle in, who to recruit and who to expel).
In my opinion, handing out tissue (i.e. feeling the pain of a lost ship) is the mid level management's job, directors and fleet commanders and not the CEO's. Of course it all depends on the size of the organization, in small corps and alliances where there is no established mid level management the role of the CEO is different.
Hehe, yeah the trolls will love this one I am sure. 
But I see your point on the mid level management, however our corp is pretty small, 20 members with only about half that as active players really. So we're really to small to deal with "roles" within the corp so to speak.
The reason I mentioned ship losses were because some of the dealings with other CEO's they just plain didn't care what/how/why their guys died, as long as it wasn't their own ship.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.09.05 00:22:00 -
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I care about all my alliance members when I was a director of the rock, because CCP hasn't given me my solopwnmobile yet. Until then I know that this is a group effort.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.09.05 00:26:00 -
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As CEO of 303, I care deeply about my corp-mates. I just don't know who half of them are.
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Rhaven
Praetorian BlackGuard
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Posted - 2007.09.05 00:39:00 -
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Me personally Yea I care about my members I will in any instance pretty much sacrafice my ship to get them out. If I lose a pod oh well if they all make it out with no problems it is well worth it. The members of the corp are the life blood of the corp with out them you dont have a corp. Making decisions that benifit the corp as a whole will make it that much better in the long run. The attitude of the members also reflect on a CEO of smaller corps more then in the larger corps. Such as If you have members that dont want ot help the corp and are only for tehm selves it demoralizes the corp and to that extent the CEO because they have to make the decision of kick or not kick and the consiquences of that.. any way just my short 2 cents worth.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.05 01:13:00 -
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I think that it comes down to what people are trying to achieve. Some CEOs probably think that the amount of isk they have is the only important thing, but in reality it's the number of active corp members contributing to the corp/alliance objectives.
You do need numbers and the ceo should look after members. However, I do question corps and alliances recruiting large numbers of players that only seem to fill their own pockets and never contribute anything to corp/alliance objectives other than moaning that they got their ship blown up.
I feel it's more that the corp members don't care rather than the CEOs.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.05 01:32:00 -
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The quick answer is: "It takes all kinds." You are of COURSE going to run into asshat CEO's from time to time. There is a reason there are so many inactive or ghost town corporations.
The corporations/alliances who do CARE are the ones the members will gladly fight/die for.
As an alliance corporation CEO, I HATE it when my guys lose. Its a fact of eve life that we will not always win, but the "agony of defeat" affects a good CEO more than the bad ones.
A good CEO (imho) is one who considers himself a necessary "part" of a whole, doing a lot of stuff that would be drudgery, and sometimes forced to take a back seat to the members in the 'fun' category, but the payoffs here are more than worth it.
The CEO who starts a corp just to line his/her own pockets won't last. People might be stupid some of the time, but most folks get a clue rather quickly. Those who don't, deserve whatever they get.
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Marcus Quo
Gallente
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.05 02:19:00 -
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I was director or CEO of small pirate corp for over a year, and I'll admit that I didn't always care about every single member of my corporation. What I did care about was the corp as a whole. This included how effective we were in combat, our reputation, and the ISK to maintain the meager logistics support we provided members. Of course I did care about most of our members (and keep in touch with most of them, even though the corp is no longer really active). Also, meeting the above three goals requires keeping people happy, so of course that was always our top priority. But I also happily kicked those who needed it, and made examples of people who screwed up our reputation, either by poor piloting or bad smack.
So in short, you should care about your corp mates if you're a human being and not some unfeeling robot, but a CEO's first priority is to take care of the corp itself, and like running any business, it's not all fluffy bunnies and hugs.
As far as CEOs of Empire corps who seem happy to sell out their members, that's clearly shameful. There's probably a reason many of these corps don't survive your war decs.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
Karnage Club
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Posted - 2007.09.05 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 05/09/2007 02:29:40
As a current director of KarnageClub, former leader of an Americas Army clan and current moderator/volunteer game master for Acclaim Games Inc, I think all leaders should care about their members.
As a clan leader/corp CEO or director caring about members is one of the ways to attract and keep players.
This said,in large clans/corporations, it is sometimes hard to keep in touch with everyone.However there are always ways to get to know the members,help them and basically care for them
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Alt Troll
Minmatar
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.05 02:54:00 -
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as ceo of sniggwaffe, i can honestly say that i do not care about my members and i encourage them to die as much as possible.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 03:03:00 -
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You should do, you're playing a game with friends.
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii
i didnt read your post, but to answer the threads title:
no, screw those peons.
i second that ...ermm wait...
/me looks for the worlds smallest violin
(its coad stoopid what ya expect)
The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
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Porticia Chambers
Gallente
Fallen Angels Inc
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Posted - 2007.09.05 03:40:00 -
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I think you have to find a healthy balance between the 2.
I personally don't care what they lose, as I think everything in this game is replaceable. On the other hand I try to keep an eye on the how and why.
The task of a CEO lays in creating the general atmosphere where his members can grow and enjoy themselfs. His work is making sure that his members enjoy themselfs.
It's a game of give and take. Give them satisfaction and you can ask a lot of your members. Bull**** them and you'll end up on your own. On the other hand you have to keep an eye out and not give them instant satisfaction all the time. Because that is not allways readily available. Keep the balance between short long term goals. And like Jonathan said. The day to day happiness is for middle management. In small corporation i guess both are done by the CEO.
Just like with anything there is no golden rule. The path is never entirely clear. Sometimes you are the nice guy sometimes you are the jerk. As long as you can justify the behaviour your members will accept that. Flip the balance to much to one side and you become their doormat, flip it to the other side and you become a tiran.
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skilz
Amarr
Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.05 04:42:00 -
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Don't like you drive them into traps then ***** their loot!
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2007.09.05 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jotan Veer
This isn't the forum to ask valid questions, the trolls will tear everything to tiny pieces and then put it together again according to their twisted little world.
But to answer your question, successful alliance leaders do care about their members, just like a successful real life CEO takes strategic human resource management seriously.
Which means one make strategic decisions that will keep the membership happy or at least content (strategic decisions like, who is blue who is not, who to lock horns with and who to avoid, what sort of taxation you will implement, which region you settle in, who to recruit and who to expel).
In my opinion, handing out tissue (i.e. feeling the pain of a lost ship) is the mid level management's job, directors and fleet commanders and not the CEO's. Of course it all depends on the size of the organization, in small corps and alliances where there is no established mid level management the role of the CEO is different.
Nice and pretty much dead on. You still have to explain what 'human resource management' really means though. It is actually a great illusion where the executive has the corporate populace believe that they are important and actually do make a difference. The reality of course is, the populace is nothing more than a cost factor in the big scheme of things and is to be used as a leverage tool to ensure shareholder acceptance. The CEO works for the shareholders, not the employees. Employees are seen as an excessive cost to an organization by shareholders. That is why when a company lays of people the share price goes up.
Quite frankly 90% of working people aren't needed in a corporate organization anyhow and in most cases are used for political leverage typically against a governing body to ensure that legislation is 'friendly' towards the business that organization is in. Afterall, Governments love revenue from income tax generated from the employees and despise having to provide social programs (unemployment, welfare) if an organization dumps massive amounts of people onto the street. It is a very well established game that has been going on for years and will continue to go on as long as Governments, private organizations and capitalism exist.
Besides, why should a CEO really care about the employees anyhow when the employees only care about themselves?
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Liinn
Harbour Rats
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.05 08:02:00 -
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As a CEO for more then 2 years i have found out the the most valuble asset my corp have is its memebers. Isk can be replaced, Modules can, Ship also... But a good member can never be replaced.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.09.05 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii
i didnt read your post, but to answer the threads title:
no, screw those peons.
QFT! Corporate is to provide maximum profits to it's leaders. So far I have gained capital skills AND carrier along with Obelisk. I'm happy CEO! ^________^
I was sworn absolute love by Pepperami
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Scius
Amarr
Tyrant.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 09:17:00 -
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Nexa Necis, I salute you.
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Patso Tappaja
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.09.05 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: fugazii
i didnt read your post, but to answer the threads title:
no, screw those peons.
QFT! Corporate is to provide maximum profits to it's leaders. So far I have gained capital skills AND carrier along with Obelisk. I'm happy CEO! ^________^
Pff, you are sucky CEO. I made all that possible to you.
SLACKER1!!1  
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.09.05 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Patso Tappaja
Pff, you sucky CEO. Me made possible all that you.
SLACKZOR1!!111++
   I AHTE J00.
I was sworn absolute love by Pepperami
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Boonaki
Caldari
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 09:45:00 -
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Get more minions and less corp mates.
Fear the Ibis of doom!
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thedragoon
Caldari
Drones Of Annihilation.
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
Get more minions and less corp mates.
want to join my corp boonaki ?
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G0rF
Gallente
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.05 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: G0rF on 05/09/2007 10:24:53
Originally by: Nexa Necis
We do war decs non-stop. Losing ships comes with the territory but I get bummed when my guys die. I don't mind dying myself but I hate when my guys lose. I feel I am to blame for it. I know I'm not, but I still feel responsible.
I try to give my guys good advice and a fun and friendly play environment. I cast no aspersions about our corp and what we do or how we play. So they are fully aware of what they're getting into, but I still feel bad, almost guilty sometimes that I wasn't there to help.
As a CEO, I feel responsible for them. I feel responsible for helping to make their game experience as fun as possible. I include them in all my thoughts behind the actions we take as a corp. They know the whos, whats, whys and how comes.
Are you my long lost twin?
Seriously though, I think this is what it's like to run a small (<30 member) corp. You know all your members individually, and so treat them as individuals, friends even, as opposed to a larger corp, where your members become simply "the membership" - bulking up the numbers, mere pawns, and your friends are your directors.
EDIT: Said "alt". Meant "Long lost twin".
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G0rF
Gallente
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.05 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: G0rF on 05/09/2007 10:24:11
Damnit! Double-post!
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.09.05 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nexa Necis
As a CEO, I feel responsible for them. I feel responsible for helping to make their game experience as fun as possible. I include them in all my thoughts behind the actions we take as a corp. They know the whos, whats, whys and how comes.
This is the most important part for me. Which corp you are in has a massive difference on how much you enjoy the game, from the people you fly with to the activities that your corp undertakes. That makes me feel that it is my responsibility to make sure that they guys I recruit get value for their money.
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