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Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Ki Tarra on 05/09/2007 02:39:22 I problably wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it for myself. What the !@#$%^& is going on over there? Edit - I obviosly blotted out the URL so that I am not giving them any more advertisement, but I did check to see if they were infact offering ISK for sale and that is what their website claims. Pick your MMO and buy your game's curancy. ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:41:00 - [2] do we really have to keep explaining this? the adds are generated by a 3rd party and applied to the site to support and cover the costs of running it, without significant effort you cannot block them all Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Ki Tarra on 05/09/2007 02:42:19 I thought that the content on EveTV was paid for by subscribers not by 3rd party advertisers. ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
icmp Caldari Screaming Fist	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:44:00 - [4] Didn't CCP recently remove links to fan pages that had google ads for isk sellers, saying that they were "easy" to remove? Seems pretty odd that they would have those on the eve-tv site. Originally by: Maimonides Einotar screaming fist more like screaming devs
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:48:00 - [5] Originally by: icmp Didn't CCP recently remove links to fan pages that had google ads for isk sellers, saying that they were "easy" to remove? Seems pretty odd that they would have those on the eve-tv site. Yes they did! ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:16:00 - [6] Weak sauce by EVE TV. I thought one of the reasons we were paying for eve tv was so we don't have to be subjected to this #$%^&*(? Not to mention the link above saying this is a big no-no. _______________________________ Pleese exucse any seplling erorr's in tihs psot
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:19:00 - [7] Um, no, the tournament is free, and that's on the tournament page. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:20:00 - [8] The screenshot you see is from the free "reruns" of the alliance tournament. Obviously, the revenue had to come from somewhere else except viewers (since it's, well, free and all), so they used ads. Now, NOT screening their own ads against ISK-selling sites, that is indeed a big no-no, especially after CCP's statement regarding sites that unwillingly promote ISK sales. Although... EVE-TV is not quite 100% CCP, so you can't blame their "host" for not screening ads. Still a no-no, but a smaller one as you make it seem like. _ EVE GOLDEN RULES \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Frug Um, no, the tournament is free, and that's on the tournament page. So they bring in the ISK seller sponsorships ads just for the tourney? ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Lysander Drakos State of Shock	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:35:00 - [10] While a huge oversight on their part I think The EVE TV Team need to inspect this ALOT more closely. ISK resellers ruin this game, they shouldn't be endorsed!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:47:00 - [11] So, since CCP's policy is to not link to EVE-related sites with ISK-selling ads, can they remove the link to EVETV? 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Gracious NightAngel	Posted - 2007.09.05 04:27:00 - [12] Just wanted to know WHY PEOPLE CRY SO MUCH. If you're so dead set against buying isk "THEN DON'T" If you're not contributing to the cause then YOU don't have much to worry about. If someone chooses to BUY ISK, Like in any other MMO I played in the past , Let them. Funny thing is it's not against the rules for you to buy someones $$$ with GTC - "That in it self is ISK SELLING" Cheers
Plentimon	Posted - 2007.09.05 04:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Gracious NightAngel Just wanted to know WHY PEOPLE CRY SO MUCH. If you're so dead set against buying isk "THEN DON'T" If you're not contributing to the cause then YOU don't have much to worry about. If someone chooses to BUY ISK, Like in any other MMO I played in the past , Let them. Or you could, you know, learn to play the game and get your own money. It's not like ISK is hard to come by. And having a billion ISK in the wallet doesn't do you much good if you can only fly T1 Frigates. :p
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.05 04:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Gracious NightAngel Just wanted to know WHY PEOPLE CRY SO MUCH. If you're so dead set against buying isk "THEN DON'T" If you're not contributing to the cause then YOU don't have much to worry about. If someone chooses to BUY ISK, Like in any other MMO I played in the past , Let them. Funny thing is it's not against the rules for you to buy someones $$$ with GTC - "That in it self is ISK SELLING" Cheers People do complain it but the addicts come out and fear they wont get their fix and say but I neeeeeed it Local Thread 107-b,War without a victor penalties,Navigation Shortcuts
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.05 05:42:00 - [15] Im sorry. But how cant you blame the guys from evetv? We have had this case over and over again, with fansites using google/whatever ads, which links to isk sellers. And we always knew what the answer was to that: Dont use those ads. End of story. Now evetv chooses to use them. And they are clever people. Now dont tell me their cant either from previous experience, just figuring out themself(Maybe they should try and search for eve on google, and see what pops up? Chances are the same will end up in their ads), or at least seek advice? This is a poor show of performance. They should know better. Alot of new people watch evetv. And if they see that theres ads for buying isk, they would think: "Well, this is evetv. You can trust them. So surely buying isk is ok!". Now take yourself a bit together evetv. You were ignorant when you choose use jalipo for the evetv episodes. But using these kind of ads? This is terrible terrible.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 05:51:00 - [16] That's very disturbing. I cannot believe that CCP would endorse something like these Alliance Championships, and allow something they specifically forced fan sites to remove. I hope it is an oversight, and not a decision made by the CCP team. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.05 05:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Ricdic That's very disturbing. I cannot believe that CCP would endorse something like these Alliance Championships, and allow something they specifically forced fan sites to remove. I hope it is an oversight, and not a decision made by the CCP team. EVETV isnt run by CCP, its run by MMM Publishing(Whose who make EON)
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Ricdic That's very disturbing. I cannot believe that CCP would endorse something like these Alliance Championships, and allow something they specifically forced fan sites to remove. I hope it is an oversight, and not a decision made by the CCP team. EVETV isnt run by CCP, its run by MMM Publishing(Whose who make EON) Uh, So what? It doesn't matter who publishes for CCP- It's CCP that are still responsible for what MMM publishes, seeing as they are, y'know, being employed by CCP to do their publishing.
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Ricdic That's very disturbing. I cannot believe that CCP would endorse something like these Alliance Championships, and allow something they specifically forced fan sites to remove. I hope it is an oversight, and not a decision made by the CCP team. EVETV isnt run by CCP, its run by MMM Publishing(Whose who make EON) Uh, So what? It doesn't matter who publishes for CCP- It's CCP that are still responsible for what MMM publishes, seeing as they are, y'know, being employed by CCP to do their publishing. As far as i know, MMM publishing is totally seperated from CCP, and dont get money from CCP. So how is MMM publishing employed by CCP? I suppose CCP only gave MMM publishing a license to write about eve. So exactly how can CCP be held responsible? Its not breaking any rules. Its just bad moral what happend.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:45:00 - [20] CCP removed all links to fan sites that had isk selling links, Will they do the same for EvETV ? ---- \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Ricdic That's very disturbing. I cannot believe that CCP would endorse something like these Alliance Championships, and allow something they specifically forced fan sites to remove. I hope it is an oversight, and not a decision made by the CCP team. EVETV isnt run by CCP, its run by MMM Publishing(Whose who make EON) Uh, So what? It doesn't matter who publishes for CCP- It's CCP that are still responsible for what MMM publishes, seeing as they are, y'know, being employed by CCP to do their publishing. As far as i know, MMM publishing is totally seperated from CCP, and dont get money from CCP. So how is MMM publishing employed by CCP? I suppose CCP only gave MMM publishing a license to write about eve. So exactly how can CCP be held responsible? Its not breaking any rules. Its just bad moral what happend. MMM will be on a contract with CCP, You don't think that MMM just goes ahead and puts whatever they feel like into their magazines and websites do you? BAHAHAHHAHAHA YOU SERIOUSLY DID! DIDN'T YOU?! lololololol No.. Everything published by MMM will need final approval by the CCP marketing leads therefore making CCP responsible for anything MMM publishes. I never mentioned anything about breaking rules, I'm just saying that it's dumb to try and distance CCP from this because they are just as associated with advertising isk selling as MMM is.
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Templer Relleg Originally by: Ricdic That's very disturbing. I cannot believe that CCP would endorse something like these Alliance Championships, and allow something they specifically forced fan sites to remove. I hope it is an oversight, and not a decision made by the CCP team. EVETV isnt run by CCP, its run by MMM Publishing(Whose who make EON) Uh, So what? It doesn't matter who publishes for CCP- It's CCP that are still responsible for what MMM publishes, seeing as they are, y'know, being employed by CCP to do their publishing. As far as i know, MMM publishing is totally seperated from CCP, and dont get money from CCP. So how is MMM publishing employed by CCP? I suppose CCP only gave MMM publishing a license to write about eve. So exactly how can CCP be held responsible? Its not breaking any rules. Its just bad moral what happend. MMM will be on a contract with CCP, You don't think that MMM just goes ahead and puts whatever they feel like into their magazines and websites do you? BAHAHAHHAHAHA YOU SERIOUSLY DID! DIDN'T YOU?! lololololol No.. Everything published by MMM will need final approval by the CCP marketing leads therefore making CCP responsible for anything MMM publishes. I never mentioned anything about breaking rules, I'm just saying that it's dumb to try and distance CCP from this because they are just as associated with advertising isk selling as MMM is. Zapa said that they were encourged to write whatever they feel like, by CCP. And dont tell me its one big conspiracy, and that he lied.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 06:58:00 - [23] CCP get a cut and would have a direct say on the goings-ons of the EveTV handling. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. If CCP didn't make a cut of the profits, they wouldn't bother providing or outsourcing it. CCP should at the very least be contacting them and advising them remove these adverts or filter the ones allowed through. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Shinhan Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Gracious NightAngel Just wanted to know WHY PEOPLE CRY SO MUCH. If you're so dead set against buying isk "THEN DON'T" If you're not contributing to the cause then YOU don't have much to worry about. If someone chooses to BUY ISK, Like in any other MMO I played in the past , Let them. Its people like you that contribute most to ISK selling. ISK buyers are most to blame for this problem. Since there is a perfectly legal way to buy ISK (buy GTC, sell GTC for ISK), doing it illegally is a much bigger problem. I'd advocate for stronger punishments as well, but since both parties eventually get exact same treatment (permaban) thats superfluous. -- Selling apples, 1 signature each. ѼѼѼѼѼѼѼ
Templer Relleg Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Ricdic CCP get a cut and would have a direct say on the goings-ons of the EveTV handling. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. If CCP didn't make a cut of the profits, they wouldn't bother providing or outsourcing it. CCP should at the very least be contacting them and advising them remove these adverts or filter the ones allowed through. Sure, CCP likely does get a cut. But thats not relevant to the case, is it? CCP have a clear hand in what goes on with the live alliance tournament streaming. But not really for the weekly Evetv. Listen to the WDA podcast with Zap as guest. Everything is explained there.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.09.05 07:52:00 - [26] The problem is more the people that can turn isk into $$$, who are the sort that advertise on such sites. Because ISK then is worth real life currency it leads to them using all sorts of game breaking exploits to make it. If people would just use GTCs <> ISK only, then the people who want to buy isk still get it, and the isk likely comes from people playing how they typically play anyway, rather than some game breaking macromining/missioning source. Buying isk from isk sellers is endorsing the ISK > $$$ conversion which is the real problem.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Gracious NightAngel Just wanted to know WHY PEOPLE CRY SO MUCH. If you're so dead set against buying isk "THEN DON'T" If you're not contributing to the cause then YOU don't have much to worry about. If someone chooses to BUY ISK, Like in any other MMO I played in the past , Let them. Funny thing is it's not against the rules for you to buy someones $$$ with GTC - "That in it self is ISK SELLING" Cheers gtfo and die, buying isk = lame and bannable. whether in this form or gtc->isk, i greatly object to it
Mr M	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:49:00 - [28] Why does it have to be all these discussions every time something like this happens, especially now when CCP has clear rules how about links like that. But I still think it's quite irresponsible by EveTv to use google ads when they now that a large part of the adverisers there are selling ISK. EVEgeek \| EVE Tribune
Krulla Minmatar True Centii	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Gracious NightAngel If someone chooses to BUY ISK, Like in any other MMO I played in the past , Let them. The GMs happen to disagree.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.05 08:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Mr M Why does it have to be all these discussions every time something like this happens, especially now when CCP has clear rules how about links like that. But I still think it's quite irresponsible by EveTv to use google ads when they now that a large part of the adverisers there are selling ISK. Sadly i think the word is ignorant. Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust like the whole jalipo deal Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Kayna Eelai	Posted - 2007.09.05 09:01:00 - [31] plain an simple. ccp removes fansite links that have isk selling google adds ergo ccp should remove all evetv links and announcements end of story

GM Guard	Posted - 2007.09.05 11:14:00 - [32] Google ads have been known to display ads from ISK sellers. Using Google ads without applying any filters in this case, was an understandable oversight by a business partner who was not aware of the problem we have had with ISK selling ads. This will of course be fixed and we thank you for pointing this out to us. Allow me to use this opportunity to once again stress the importance of not doing business with ISK sellers. Those who buy ISK from them are paying for the presence of ISK spammers and macro gangs amongst other things. Oh, and the ISK will be confiscated by a GM. Enjoy the game.

Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 11:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Dark Shikari So, since CCP's policy is to not link to EVE-related sites with ISK-selling ads, can they remove the link to EVETV? /signed evetv sux big minmatar balls anyway. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.05 14:52:00 - [34] Originally by: GM Guard Google ads have been known to display ads from ISK sellers. Using Google ads without applying any filters in this case, was an understandable oversight by a business partner who was not aware of the problem we have had with ISK selling ads. This will of course be fixed and we thank you for pointing this out to us. If they provide us with a means of reporting these bugs on the Eve TV site, I would be happy to report any future ads that slip through the filters. ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Sheriff Jones Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.05 15:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Ki Tarra Edited by: Ki Tarra on 05/09/2007 02:42:19 I thought that the content on EveTV was paid for by subscribers not by 3rd party advertisers. There's a word for this kind of magnificent answer...now if i only could remember it So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.05 16:54:00 - [36] Originally by: GM Guard Google ads have been known to display ads from ISK sellers. Using Google ads without applying any filters in this case, was an understandable oversight by a business partner who was not aware of the problem we have had with ISK selling ads. This will of course be fixed and we thank you for pointing this out to us. Were fansites given a chance to fix google ads before they were removed from the links?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.05 17:14:00 - [37] palm to face one add slips through their attempts (not even remotely an "unlikely" event) and the kids start screaming bloody murder It's times like these I wish I had invested in tinfoil Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
Chi Canery	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:04:00 - [38] Edited by: Chi Canery on 05/09/2007 19:04:45 Originally by: Kappas. Originally by: GM Guard Google ads have been known to display ads from ISK sellers. Using Google ads without applying any filters in this case, was an understandable oversight by a business partner who was not aware of the problem we have had with ISK selling ads. This will of course be fixed and we thank you for pointing this out to us. Were fansites given a chance to fix google ads before they were removed from the links? I believe they were, however EVE VAULT linked directly through the community tab, continues to have a nice large set of isk adverts , they don't change so it's not random and/or chance, even if it does say google.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Kappas. Originally by: GM Guard Google ads have been known to display ads from ISK sellers. Using Google ads without applying any filters in this case, was an understandable oversight by a business partner who was not aware of the problem we have had with ISK selling ads. This will of course be fixed and we thank you for pointing this out to us. Were fansites given a chance to fix google ads before they were removed from the links? They were not. Wrangler explained why. ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.05 19:16:00 - [40] Originally by: GM Guard Google ads have been known to display ads from ISK sellers. Using Google ads without applying any filters in this case, was an understandable oversight by a business partner who was not aware of the problem we have had with ISK selling ads. This will of course be fixed and we thank you for pointing this out to us. Allow me to use this opportunity to once again stress the importance of not doing business with ISK sellers. Those who buy ISK from them are paying for the presence of ISK spammers and macro gangs amongst other things. Oh, and the ISK will be confiscated by a GM. Enjoy the game. How do you apply these filters? I know some fan sites who have begged and pleaded with Google to cut the isk seller ads, and been told in no uncertain terms that it aint' gonna happen. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!

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