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Occara	Posted - 2007.09.06 15:55:00 - [61] Originally by: 7shining7one7 and no.. saying it even a billion times won't make it more true, read it, comprehend it. quit while you only look mostly like an idiot.
Mad Amos	Posted - 2007.09.06 15:57:00 - [62] Originally by: 7shining7one7 I love this game, it's great, and the people in it, for better or for worse, i'm sticking around and having fun with all of ya :) Now.. i love to get to know people, and people also loves getting to know me. It seems however, that there might be a person that is a little bit too eager to get to know me and who i am, and it might be someone from in here, which is why i post this. yesturday, i was playing around with various stuff, having fun as i usually do. when i'm in front of the computer, at that point i didn't have my firewall on. Stopped reading there. "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you." -Carl Gustav Jung
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:00:00 - [63] Got no anti virus or firewall, not even spyware protection, doing fine here (I'm not saying anything about the OpenBSD router I have)
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:05:00 - [64] Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 06/09/2007 16:05:55 Originally by: 7shining7one7 i reacted quickly and pulled out the cable and got the message that there were other computers connected to this This is your problem. This means that you had Windows File and Printer sharing enabled on your WAN (the internet, your modem connection). This is how you got "hacked". It was most likely nothing to do with EVE. If you have some f**** sense and don't leave your computer open to the world, you don't need a firewall or antivirus running. I have never run either of these. - Listen or we'll take your region.
Mr Digs Tyranny INC	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:08:00 - [65] Never had a problem here and I dont run a firewall either.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:08:00 - [66] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/09/2007 16:13:53 i know, was one of the first things i turned off, i explained this earlier too (shared folder etc.) and i did have native firewall on, but it doesn't block file sharing (it's not the only comp i got). mr. BoB i know how to protect my comp, i was messing around with some stuff, and had only that comp hooked up while i did so, and it was only meant to be a short duration. at any rate it's besides the point, cause weither or not anyone had access for a short duration or not it's not something you do without consequence.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:08:00 - [67] Edited by: ry ry on 06/09/2007 16:09:25 yesterday my carrier bag split outside the shop. i know one of you lot tampered with it in anticipation of me purchasing something, and i've sent the offending carrier to the NSA for analysis. Game over hackers, game over. but seriously, we all get sniffed daily. you happened to have an unpatched windows box without a firewall. there is no conspiracy matey.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:09:00 - [68] Originally by: 7shining7one7 i know, was one of the first things i turned off, i explained this earlier too (shared folder etc.) Do yourself a favour and buy a NAT'ing router, this is a blanket security shield that will protect you against most of your own stupidity :) - Listen or we'll take your region.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:09:00 - [69] Use NAT, problem solved --- Do YOU have what it takes?
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:16:00 - [70] Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 06/09/2007 16:09:25 yesterday my carrier bag split outside the shop. i know one of you lot tampered with it in anticipation of me purchasing something, and i've sent the offending carrier to the NSA for analysis. Game over hackers, game over. but seriously, we all get sniffed daily. you happened to have an unpatched windows box without a firewall. there is no conspiracy matey. where do you get your facts, out of thin air? did IQ's just drop sharply while i was away? how dare you mock anyone without getting your facts straight. i never said i had an unpatched windows box, and when i said i didn't have firewall on, i meant secondary firewall, not native.

7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: 7shining7one7 i know, was one of the first things i turned off, i explained this earlier too (shared folder etc.) Do yourself a favour and buy a NAT'ing router, this is a blanket security shield that will protect you against most of your own stupidity :) i do have a NAT'ing router, it was setup to forward from that port to this ip (the port i got attacked on), but it didn't help for this particular exploit. it is good advice though.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:22:00 - [72] Originally by: 7shining7one7 i do have a NAT'ing router, it was setup to forward from that port to this ip (the port i got attacked on), but it didn't help for this particular exploit. it is good advice though. Why the hell did you have your router forwarding SMB (port 138/139, the most commonly exploited ports available) to your machine? - Listen or we'll take your region.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:23:00 - [73] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: 7shining7one7 i do have a NAT'ing router, it was setup to forward from that port to this ip (the port i got attacked on), but it didn't help for this particular exploit. it is good advice though. Why the hell did you have your router forwarding SMB (port 138/139, the most commonly exploited ports available) to your machine? sry when did i say i had that port forwarded? i missed that part.
Brumin Rush Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:29:00 - [74] Some ramblings: if you go to a command prompt after you finish installing windows and do: netstat -b it will show you running application and their connections. Every once in a while, let's say after installing anything you ca re-issue the command to see what has changed. Now there are alot of great tools you can use to trace bad stuff. you can look-up Sysinternals (who got baught by Microsoft) and Robin Keir who's primary tools got baught by Foundstone/Mcafee.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:30:00 - [75] cool "ramblings" brumin
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:38:00 - [76] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/09/2007 16:28:14 Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: 7shining7one7 i do have a NAT'ing router, it was setup to forward from that port to this ip (the port i got attacked on), but it didn't help for this particular exploit. it is good advice though. Why the hell did you have your router forwarding SMB (port 138/139, the most commonly exploited ports available) to your machine? sry when did i say i had that port forwarded? i missed that part. Originally by: 7shining7one7 i do have a NAT'ing router, it was setup to forward from that port to this ip (the port i got attacked on), but it didn't help for this particular exploit. it is good advice though. --- Do YOU have what it takes?
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:42:00 - [77] Originally by: 7shining7one7 sry when did i say i had that port forwarded? i missed that part. at any rate, why are you consisting trying to explaining to me how i was hacked, i know how i was hacked, that's not what this is about, it was just general topic about meta gaming based on my experience cause first of all i wanted to see if posting here had any effect on the attacks (it did) secondly i wanted to bring up meta gaming and make people realize to protect themselves from meta gamers.. (since it's not new to this game.. need i mention hacked teamspeak servers and hacking of players with chatlogs surfacing that were on their puter?) and just a general heads up and healthy discussion of how to protect themselves etc. so let's stick to that shall we. You are deluded if you think that this "attack" has anything to do with EVE. It probably wasn't even a person doing it, more likely a bot. This will be my last post on the subject, since I don't feel any desire to mollycuddle you into the evil world which is the "internet".. - Listen or we'll take your region.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:44:00 - [78] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/09/2007 16:45:24 the port i got attacked on was a very different port.. and i never said i had NAT'ed those ports that was spoken off... so hmmm care to explain? your contribution wasn't exceptional either, i'm sure it won't be missed...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:47:00 - [79] mmm The chance of this being related to eve players is mostly remote to be true. My computer network suffers invasion attempts like 5 times per day every day, from incredibly diverse and self expanding set of origins. Ther e are a lot of wannabe hackers around that do that If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:56:00 - [80] true true, i just used the opportunity to bring up meta gaming and also to get people to discuss safety tips, time will tell who it is, and it doesn't have to be an eve player, i've allready said and had to restate it atleast 10 times to people who came in the thread late, but that's ok. however again.. the utter timing of it is indeed quite a "coincidence", which is why i won't rule out that possibility.. time will tell.

JoDirt Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.06 16:58:00 - [81] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/09/2007 16:50:07 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/09/2007 16:45:24 the port i got attacked on was a very different port.. and i never said i had NAT'ed those ports that was spoken off... so hmmm care to explain? your contribution wasn't exceptional either, i'm sure it won't be missed... on a sidenote i find it quite humerous that a member of BoB is defending a potential meta gaming attempt.. i thought your tinfoil rants would have been stomped down allready.. but no.. if you want to talk about delusion.. mb.. delusion is evolution, atleast for some.. if you catch my drift NAT is not the ultimate protection. If an attacker is able to enumerate your internal ip address then it is possible to carefully craft a packet that will successfully make it through a NAT even with no port forward. That is way it is important to have a firewall. The folks suggesting that a bot is scanning your computer are most likely correct. To find the real attacker, one would have to compromise the bot, setup a "man in the middle attack" then wait for the "bot controller" to download the findings. Only then will you find the true perpetrator. Best advice is rebuild your machine, I recommend that mainly because you may lack enough skill to properly remove any payload that made it through. Use a real hardware firewall. Keep your windows firewall always enabled, and use a modern anti virus client. In the future, if you feel the need to "experiment" with your network, Use a virtual machine clone.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:02:00 - [82] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/09/2007 17:06:30 exactly joe.. that's one of the reasons he got through, cause i did have NAT enabled. i have the tools and the know how to remove this stuff joe don't worry, and there's no nasty stuff, i have used several of each of the tools for the various areas, like rootkit scanners ads scanners etc. and the likes. and have 1 firewall that replaces the native upon execution and 3 other scanning tools running in background per usual operation. hardware firewall is a good idea but has it's limitations, but u don't exactly need it tho and you and i know that, but i get the point. thanks for your reply tho m8, your good to have in this thread, nice and constructive i like that.
Susan Acid	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:12:00 - [83] Originally by: 7shining7one7 true true, i just used the opportunity to bring up meta gaming and also to get people to discuss safety tips, time will tell who it is, and it doesn't have to be an eve player, i've allready said and had to restate it atleast 10 times to people who came in the thread late, but that's ok. Safety tips?Turn on your Firewall. It doesn't have to be an Eve player?So now you concede that it might not be Eve related? and I don't believe you when you say it's increased since you posted here. You are a Drama Queen.Enjoy your Pantomime.
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:20:00 - [84] Computers are only as secure as they are programmed to be. And unfortunately, Windows is such a bloated program, that it is nigh impossible to make it secure without resorting to using additional hardware/software.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:25:00 - [85] Originally by: Susan Acid Originally by: 7shining7one7 true true, i just used the opportunity to bring up meta gaming and also to get people to discuss safety tips, time will tell who it is, and it doesn't have to be an eve player, i've allready said and had to restate it atleast 10 times to people who came in the thread late, but that's ok. Safety tips?Turn on your Firewall. It doesn't have to be an Eve player?So now you concede that it might not be Eve related? and I don't believe you when you say it's increased since you posted here. You are a Drama Queen.Enjoy your Pantomime. if you would get your little fat hairy alt ass over to the first post and read it, allready there would you see that i said it might not be eve related.. so i guess that's where you fall down.. buhbye troll..
JoDirt Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.06 17:25:00 - [86] Originally by: Taedrin Computers are only as secure as they are programmed to be. And unfortunately, Windows is such a bloated program, that it is nigh impossible to make it secure without resorting to using additional hardware/software. any unpatched OS is quite easy to compromise. Windows Vista fully patched with all security turned on is better then you would expect (given the MS track record). I'm quite impressed with it actually. my point is always patch, always patch, always patch no matter your OS. always use all the security features no matter the OS.
Occara	Posted - 2007.09.06 18:00:00 - [87] backpedal more. soon you'll claim you didn't even post this thread and we all made it up to flame you.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.09.06 18:22:00 - [88] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 06/09/2007 18:23:33 Originally by: Occara backpedal more. soon you'll claim you didn't even post this thread and we all made it up to flame you. from the OP: "It seems however, that there might be a person that is a little bit too eager to get to know me and who i am, and it might be someone from in here, which is why i post this." a thing i restated several times in the thread.. occara, your just mad cause you tried to be superior and ended up pwning yourself in the eye.. and that's where you fall down. again..
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.06 18:33:00 - [89] Did it ever occur to you that Chat Logs by nature include more than one person? Therefore anyone who you were chatting with also has the same logs.
Occara	Posted - 2007.09.06 18:57:00 - [90] Originally by: 7shining7one7 from the OP: "It seems however, that there might be a person that is a little bit too eager to get to know me and who i am, and it might be someone from in here, which is why i post this." a thing i restated several times in the thread.. occara, your just mad cause you tried to be superior/troll and ended up pwning yourself in the eye.. and that's where you fall down. again.. go back to your cave... troll.. what about my just mad? take your repeating something does not make it true advice.



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