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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:23:00 -
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Given that both Sansha and Goons suck empire citizens and/or capsuleers into their organisations and as a result turn them into mindless slave zombies following the dictates of their masters, I have a number of questions:
Should we forgive the actions of the average Goon as he is mindlessly following propoganda?
They have been trained by their Masters to follow their will and ideals so is there any point to try to argue with them as they have no free thought or opinions other than what they are told to think?
Considering that the leaders within the CSM have totally selfish motivations for influencing the content of the game, why do people help support their interests further?
Should standard information be given to new players religeously about the association of the words, "Scam" and "Goon", perhaps worked into the tutorials somehow?
Maybe a new campaign should be started: "IgnoreAgoon" oh wait, people are doing this at the moment, being too scared or too naive to the propoganda they keep spewing out. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:28:00 -
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Oh look, it's this thread again. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
384
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:31:00 -
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no - never forgive, never forget
no
because they have been brainwashed
of course (CCP should just disband GSF tbh), wouldn't prevent people from getting scammed by the likes of LODRA though
happy?
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Prince Kobol
161
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:33:00 -
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I always find it amusing that members of TEST are so quick to defend the goons..
Is it because nobody ever talks about TEST other then that your unable to do anything without the goons, so you have to use every opportunity to show people that your still here?
I mean its not like the Goons can't defend themselves, plus they are a lot better at posting  |
Lord Lewtz
AQUILA INC
0ccupational Hazzard
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:38:00 -
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Without the likes of Goons, Test, PL, RED, AAA.. etc etc.. Back to the days of Bob.
EVE would be a lot more boring. Plus they (the above folks) make all the coolest EVE videos. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
543
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:38:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I always find it amusing that members of TEST are so quick to defend the goons.. Is it because nobody ever talks about TEST other then that your unable to do anything without the goons, so you have to use every opportunity to show people that your still here? I mean its not like the Goons can't defend themselves, plus they are a lot better at posting
Its actually because every time TEST defends Goons they get a pat on the head
Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Prince Kobol
161
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:40:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I always find it amusing that members of TEST are so quick to defend the goons.. Is it because nobody ever talks about TEST other then that your unable to do anything without the goons, so you have to use every opportunity to show people that your still here? I mean its not like the Goons can't defend themselves, plus they are a lot better at posting Its actually because every time TEST defends Goons they get a pat on the head
So very much like pavlov's dogs then |
March rabbit
Ganse
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
110
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:40:00 -
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Sansha == ISK from Incursions + faction/deadspace modules
Goons == dead hulks?
hm... i really not sure what is worse...  |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
356
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:05:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I always find it amusing that members of TEST are so quick to defend the goons.. Is it because nobody ever talks about TEST other then that your unable to do anything without the goons, so you have to use every opportunity to show people that your still here? I mean its not like the Goons can't defend themselves, plus they are a lot better at posting
alliances from a coalition of alliances that are based around internet forums posts in internet forum thread about coalition member
stop the ******* presses |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks
Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:18:00 -
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Thank you for your attention and tears. Its greatly appreciated. If you have any more tears or pains in the rear that you want to talk about, don't hesitate to tell us.
For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:21:00 -
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Crybaby threads from npc corp alts are worse than both.
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
153
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:53:00 -
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Sorry I wasn't brave enough to log on to my forum alt.
I just love seeing these threads from people who've never encountered Goonswarm anywhere other than the forums, and the conspiracy theories about the CSM and manipulation are just adorable. Goons and the CFC rely a lot on new characters and use shield fleet doctrines, the CSM asks CCP to nerf the Drake. Goonswarm and PL are on the CSM, they both hold lots of Tech moons, the CSM asks CCP to address the Technetium bottleneck in T2 production. Clearly it's a conspiracy driven by self interest.  |
Prince Kobol
161
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:58:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Crybaby threads from npc corp alts are worse than both.
I don't know.. you guys do make some damn funny post.. and crybaby threads from NPC's corp alts are so yesterday |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
513
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:26:00 -
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Goon |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:45:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:Sorry I wasn't brave enough to log on to my forum alt. I just love seeing these threads from people who've never encountered Goonswarm anywhere other than the forums, and the conspiracy theories about the CSM and manipulation are just adorable. Goons and the CFC rely a lot on new characters and use shield fleet doctrines, the CSM asks CCP to nerf the Drake. Goonswarm and PL are on the CSM, they both hold lots of Tech moons, the CSM asks CCP to address the Technetium bottleneck in T2 production. Clearly it's a conspiracy driven by self interest.
I love it how you have cherry picked only a couple of examples to try and prove things, leaving out a multitude of other issues Goons have had their fingers in.
And really, nerfing the drake a little is a problem? As far as I was aware it was to alleviate its above average soloing capabilties. What about all the other ship changes? Or is this one ship with a little tweak going to ruin the goons, oh no !!!! Run for the hills.
And as far as I'm aware a big issue for Sansha Gurista space in the north space that Goons hold is that they claim to suffer from such a T2 bottleneck, hypocrit. |
knobber Jobbler
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
23
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:53:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:Sorry I wasn't brave enough to log on to my forum alt. I just love seeing these threads from people who've never encountered Goonswarm anywhere other than the forums, and the conspiracy theories about the CSM and manipulation are just adorable. Goons and the CFC rely a lot on new characters and use shield fleet doctrines, the CSM asks CCP to nerf the Drake. Goonswarm and PL are on the CSM, they both hold lots of Tech moons, the CSM asks CCP to address the Technetium bottleneck in T2 production. Clearly it's a conspiracy driven by self interest.
+1 if you look at the csm requests they actually serve to hurt the large power blocs if or when tech moon's are changed. So far they've done a good job, regardless of who they are.
However, the metagame has made it into the csm. While i agree on how the current csm has focused the approach to problems, voting next time round needs to be reviewed as the process is flawed. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
676
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:59:00 -
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Well, on one side you have an organisation that ruthlessly strips people of their free-will and turns them into automatons, and on the other side you have the Sansha.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises
Beyond All Bounds
1
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:19:00 -
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Hmmm...
Enslavement from Sansha and "enslavement" from those Goons^^
Since there is a choice in the matter (several actually) with Goons you can't really say it's enslavement. Although I do believe that they, or at least some of them actively abuse the lack of experience from some of their newer members. But it also seems that as they wise up and dye to their color they tend to agree with their previous course of action. Simply put, they are free to do whatever they want as long as it is within the bounds of the current EULA.
You can agree or disagree with their philosophy and motivations on their past and current actions both from individuals and them as group. But they operate within the realm of what is allowed in game. And if some individuals or groups are bothered by it then do something about it. Them being directly represented within CSM doesn't make a difference. Everybody has the same potential. It's just a matter of what you choose to do with that potential.
Considering their numbers tho it got to be one hell of an effort to "do something about it".
But they do tend to push people around a lot. And what I understand from previous history is that people tend to start pushing back in those cases. Although it be relatively isolated and uncoordinated now. Once a coordinated effort starts to get off the ground and gains momentum from the Goons's own past and present actions it could be that their days are done. They might even become the architects of their own demise as tends to happen a lot since power corrupts.
Anyway, speculations.
I like Sansha and Goons both equally I guess. Some are slavishly addicted to their incursions and almost depend on em. There might actually be slaves there^^ And the Goons but also other large seemingly organized bodies of players provide a good vessel to measure yourself and others against for better or for worse. They all play their part and have their purpose. It was interesting to see how it all developed and how it will continue and eventually end.
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1901
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:26:00 -
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Well...
We (Players) make money off of destroying Sansha
Goons make money off destroying We (Players)
...Maybe We (Players) are the Goons of the Sansha
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:26:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:
However, the metagame has made it into the csm. While i agree on how the current csm has focused the approach to problems, voting next time round needs to be reviewed as the process is flawed.
What metagame? You mean alliances that recruit from outside of the game?
It's true that the CSM is dominated by nullsec alliances, that's because nullsec alliances have to be more organized than highsec entities, purely by virtue of living in nullsec. So they're the ones that produce candidates and vote in blocs. Personally I'm not aware of any highsec candidates for the CSM, even from Ivy League which as far as I know I think is the largest highsec based entity in the game, along with maybe RvB's alliances.
There was a time when the CSM consisted of highsec members, during that time they got it into their silly little heads to try to remove jumpbridges from sovholding allinaces because of some nonsense over force projection. There was a backlash and a compromise so we still have them but only one per starsystem. So ever since nullsec alliances realised that the CSM has the power to screw them over they have chosen to start paying attention to it, and under the onslaught of their vague interest in the CSM highsec hasn't been able to get in anymore.
We can't help it if 80% of the players in the game simply aren't interested enough in the CSM to produce candidates or vote. |
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:04:00 -
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Delete doublepost? Nope. No buttan for that |
Liam Mirren
185
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:13:00 -
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Sansha do more damage and have superior AI.
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:26:00 -
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What if Sanshas and Goons are the SAME PEOPLE.
Mind Blown. |
Psychotic Sid
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:06:00 -
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My god. My first trip to the general forums, and it very well may be the last. People crying about nerfs, crying about Goon, TEST, what have you. Stop them yourselves or stop crying. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
158
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:30:00 -
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Psychotic Sid wrote:My god. My first trip to the general forums, and it very well may be the last. People crying about nerfs, crying about Goon, TEST, what have you. Stop them yourselves or stop crying.
See what the SOPA blackout has reduced you to? |
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