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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Eralus on 08/09/2007 19:37:06
OK, I have once again lost 40,000,000+ to a typo. I'm entering in an order price for 4 items that are supposed to be 11.3 million and accidentally hit the enter key at 113,000. So even though there are orders on the market for 8 million, of course, not like ANY OTHER MARKET IN THE UNIVERSE, the order executes at 113000 instead of even the 8 million of the existing order on the market.
For the LOVE OF GOD CCP, FIX YOUR DAMNED MARKET!
- When an order price is typed in, MATCH IT TO THE BEST ORDER ALREADY ON THE MARKET!
- If the order price is 200% above or 50% below the average price, bring up a confirmation window.
All executing orders at the typoed price does is **** off your users.
As an added bonus, if the market worked like a market was SUPPOSED to work, then when there are 10 different orders for 10 different prices, you could just do one buy order to buy it all instead of 10.
But I should know better than to expect anything better by now.
And no, you can't have my stuff.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:38:00 -
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So it is CCP's fault that you don't know how to count your zeros or type?
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MacroDoomer
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:39:00 -
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When putting potentially high-value orders on the market, it's probably a good idea to make sure you don't have any typos first. I fail to see how this is the fault of CCP.
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:41:00 -
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There is a confirmation window, you've just ticked the box not to show it.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:41:00 -
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I had it happen that someone bought a missile for 19 million ISK from me although my order was at something like 30 ISK. The buyer never complained and I only noticed weeks later - otherwise I'd even paid the money back as I am such a nice and honest tradesman :P
Amarr Mineral Index
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:42:00 -
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Soooooo, you balls up and expect ccp to fix your mess? Less haste more speed dude
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:44:00 -
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 Originally by: ToxicFire
There is a confirmation window, you've just ticked the box not to show it.
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.09.08 19:45:00 -
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Everyone in this thread has a point imo, yes we are responsible for our errors... but it would be nice to have software that automates the process in a slightly safer way...
In the end its a game so don't expect enterprise class software.
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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:00:00 -
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I do check. But the enter key is right next to the 3 key - thus the TYPO part of it.
Regardless of my typo error, the way the market is set up is stupid. There is a reason that in EVERY OTHER MARKET IN THE UNIVERSE that orders execute at the best price of all orders on the market. That way everyone can put in orders for the 'best' price they'd be willing to pay and the orders execute at the best price they can get.
The typo execution is just the most annoying symptom of a market that is not properly coded in the first place.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:13:00 -
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well... the target group of the color blind is so well taken care of - why not do the little favor for foreign keyboards and allow dot and comma for the... decimal.. thingy
and while we're at it and it's much simpler: disable the enter key with anything order-related
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:13:00 -
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Every other market in the universe you say? Do you use your TARDIS to traverse this universe?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Eralus
Edited by: Eralus on 08/09/2007 19:37:06
OK, I have once again lost 40,000,000+ to a typo. I'm entering in an order price for 4 items that are supposed to be 11.3 million and accidentally hit the enter key at 113,000. So even though there are orders on the market for 8 million, of course, not like ANY OTHER MARKET IN THE UNIVERSE, the order executes at 113000 instead of even the 8 million of the existing order on the market.
For the LOVE OF GOD CCP, FIX YOUR DAMNED MARKET!
- When an order price is typed in, MATCH IT TO THE BEST ORDER ALREADY ON THE MARKET!
- If the order price is 200% above or 50% below the average price, bring up a confirmation window.
All executing orders at the typoed price does is **** off your users.
As an added bonus, if the market worked like a market was SUPPOSED to work, then when there are 10 different orders for 10 different prices, you could just do one buy order to buy it all instead of 10.
But I should know better than to expect anything better by now.
And no, you can't have my stuff.
In EVE its -YOU- who have to carry your successes or the burdens of your own failures. I fail to see why CCP should hold your hands here...
Originally by: Splagada
you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
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Haizum
The New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eralus
- When an order price is typed in, MATCH IT TO THE BEST ORDER ALREADY ON THE MARKET!
- If the order price is 200% above or 50% below the average price, bring up a confirmation window.
First point - Why? Let people sell at whatever price they choose.
Second point - Sounds like a good idea, someone seems to have mentioned there is a box that appears so I'd check the options that something hasn't been unchecked. Other than that, seems like a fairly logical thing to have. *Flashbacks to Jack Dee turning his phone into Greek - "Are you sure Jack? Might want to sleep on this, get back to me in the morning...?"*
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Haizum
Originally by: Eralus
- When an order price is typed in, MATCH IT TO THE BEST ORDER ALREADY ON THE MARKET!
- If the order price is 200% above or 50% below the average price, bring up a confirmation window.
First point - Why? Let people sell at whatever price they choose.
Second point - Sounds like a good idea, someone seems to have mentioned there is a box that appears so I'd check the options that something hasn't been unchecked. Other than that, seems like a fairly logical thing to have. *Flashbacks to Jack Dee turning his phone into Greek - "Are you sure Jack? Might want to sleep on this, get back to me in the morning...?"*
There IS a confirmation window, he just turned it off.
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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:43:00 -
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I don't want a confirmation window for every order.
I want a confirmation window for orders that are so far off they are almost certainly typos.
I'm all in favor of the harsh reality of EVE - things shouldn't be easy.
But, things should not be STUPID either. There is NOT ONE reply here that says why the market is better designed the way it is now than if it were like every other market in the universe.
It's a bad design. Period.
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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Eralus on 08/09/2007 20:47:17
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
In EVE its -YOU- who have to carry your successes or the burdens of your own failures. I fail to see why CCP should hold your hands here...
I don't think they should either. But EVE shouldn't expect me to be happy when their code is poor. I'm not asking EVE to protect me from the consequences of game decisions. I'm asking EVE to not have a crappy interface.
If EVE put the 'self destruct' button next to the 'warp to' button, you'd agree that's just plain bad game design, right? Same here. There is no good reason for the market to work like this.
It's bad code that could be fixed in a man-day.
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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Every other market in the universe you say? Do you use your TARDIS to traverse this universe?
I made the assumption that aliens were not at bad at designing markets as CCP is.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:47:00 -
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there isn't one reply here that agrees with you either, so maybe it IS just you
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:48:00 -
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Isn't there a handy prompt that warns you whenever you place an order massively above / below the average?
That sounds like just the fix you're looking for...
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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hasak Rain
So it is CCP's fault that you don't know how to count your zeros or type?
It is CCP's fault that they have a market where orders execute at the price of the most recent order instead of the price of the oldest order. That is just fundamentally broken.
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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Isn't there a handy prompt that warns you whenever you place an order massively above / below the average?
I don't think it works all the time.
I get it sometimes, but I obviously didn't get it on this one.
Is there any way to check if I've somehow disabled this option and perhaps undo it?
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Rollio Polleaous
20th Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:53:00 -
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One would assume that your order was the best one available and it matched your price to the whomever was buying at your location.
What you're looking for is price matching that works in your favour instead of the guy who's just got 3 units of something at a 10th of the cost.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:54:00 -
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it is realistic
you place a buy order in real life for a price over the sell orders in the area and I promise they will be filled at YOUR price, so don't screw up.
and if you register that order with a typo, that adds a few zeros in, alot of times you are STUCK with it in real life, unless the seller happens to have some morals
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Flegomeno Peos
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:00:00 -
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This is obviously a troll-trap to get some Burn Eden guy to post here and be subsequently laughed at.
Come on, should have realized already.
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Skidd Chung
Caldari
White Star Corporation
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:02:00 -
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Hmmm in real markets, don't the middle man do exactly what you describe what Eve market has done. And the Eve market AI is the middleman as I understand it.
So even if someone wanted to buy at 8 million isks, and you accidently sell at 800k, the middleman would gladly take your offer and sell it to the person who willingly pays for 8 mil isks, pocketing the difference.
Its good for inflation as well in EVE terms. 
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:08:00 -
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CCP put in a confirmation window.
You said you don't want it.
Your fault for not wanting the game to check if you're sure on things. Maybe if you could open up a prompt for confirmation and type in
if border > best_market_border
then oload confirm_box
else confirm border
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Eralus
Originally by: Patch86
Isn't there a handy prompt that warns you whenever you place an order massively above / below the average?
I don't think it works all the time.
I get it sometimes, but I obviously didn't get it on this one.
Is there any way to check if I've somehow disabled this option and perhaps undo it?
Its somewhere in the ESC menu I do believe, although I can't remember exactly where.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Isn't there a handy prompt that warns you whenever you place an order massively above / below the average?
That sounds like just the fix you're looking for...
It only works when you set an order, not modify it, IIRC...
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:15:00 -
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DS posted! the topic is officially epic!
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Eralus
I do check. But the enter key is right next to the 3 key - thus the TYPO part of it.
Using the other set of number keys helps avoid this particular typo.
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