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711247
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:01:00 -
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Hi, first post :)
I've been playing for a little while now and have managed to get myself a Drake, with pretty cheap fittings (maybe 2 Million Isk or so). I decided to spend almost every Isk I had on some Arbalest Heavy Launchers, because I was getting them for a good price.
So now I am flying about in a 30M Isk ship with 100M Isk work of missile launchers. I currently spend all my time in Hi-Sec space, but obviously this won't stop a determined suicide ganker. Am I in danger of being attacked somewhere like Jita? |
Ki Tarra
Caldari
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:05:00 -
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First, I wouldn't recommend going to Jita on the weekends. Your more likely to get suicide lagged than suicide ganked.
You should have a decent tank in a drake. It would probably take several battleships to kill you before concord shows up. So with 100M you will problably be okay. Just don't go afk or carry too much more than that.
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711247
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Posted - 2007.09.08 20:24:00 -
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Thanks, very helpful! I've just remembered that a couple of times when I was flying in/out of Jita in my badger carrying maybe 10M worth of assorted loot from ratting, one of the ships in the overview started flashing orange - was I being scanned for valuable loot prior to a ganking attempt? In fact, the second time a ship actually appeared in my target list - does this mean that being scanned is equivalent to being "aggressed"?
Sorry if these things sound a bit obvious, I'm a bit of a n00b when it comes to PvP ...
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Thorke
Gallente
Old Timers Guild
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:00:00 -
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plus there is nothing wrong with leaving the good equipment behind at your base station when you go shopping.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.08 21:56:00 -
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Scanning is not concidered argo. They will need to lock on to you to scan you. Unless they have passive targetters you will see that they have locked on to you. There is no direct in dication that they have scanned you.
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2007.09.08 22:01:00 -
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 Originally by: 711247
a couple of times... one of the ships in the overview started flashing orange - was I being scanned for valuable loot prior to a ganking attempt?
I'm not sure exactly what situation you're referring to here. If a player has a low security status they may have a yellow or orange background on the overview. If they obtain a target lock on you, their icon in the overview (the broken square thing) will have flashing yellow brackets within it. From what you describe it sounds more like the player had a low security status.
Note that I haven't said anything about scanning here. Generally you're unable to tell conclusively that you're being scanned. However, the scanning ship must first target lock you which you'll probably know about* - and then they activate the scanner. You'll probably get no notification of the second part, although if you're close to their ship you may hear the noise the module makes (yes - even through a vacuum  ).
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In fact, the second time a ship actually appeared in my target list - does this mean that being scanned is equivalent to being "aggressed"?
By target list, you mean the icons that show your locked targets? If so, this probably means that you have auto-target-back on and they they did in fact target you (see above). If they were 'aggressed' to you, that means they activated offensive modules against you - in which case their name would flash red on the overview (and CONCORD would have vaporized them within seconds). Targeting someone will notify the pilot*, but is not an offensive action in itself (though the pilot may be unhappy with you).
*this is usually the case - though one can fit 'passive targeter' modules in the mid slots, that will allow targeting of other ships without that ship's piloting being able to tell they are being targeted.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.09.08 22:04:00 -
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with about 10mil in a badger odds are low of getting suicide ganked. if you have 100mil, well chances are higher.
wouldn't really fly the drake to jita, although the amount of firepower needed to blow up a well tanked drake before concord shows up will cut into any profit gained from the chance of 7 arby heavy launchers. could happen, but unlikely.
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Major Death
Caldari
Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.09.08 23:17:00 -
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The targets of suicide gankers are people in Tech 1 industrials fitted with multiple cargo extenders and carrying around 200million or more in cargo. You would be so low down the list, you have a far greater change of losing the ship to lag on a mission.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.09.08 23:46:00 -
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you only really have to worry about getting suicide ganked if you do pretty much all of the below.
1) Have 200+ mil isk in good in your cargo
2) Flying an industrial "anything with a tank like a drake is pretty much secure"
3) and are flying on autopilot "they scan & hit you during the 15km flight to the gate".
--or--
4) There's also a chance that a frieghter might get ganked if it's carrying over 2 billion isk in goods.
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Tanis Khan
Minmatar
14th Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.09 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
you only really have to worry about getting suicide ganked if you do pretty much all of the below.
1) Have 200+ mil isk in good in your cargo
2) Flying an industrial "anything with a tank like a drake is pretty much secure"
3) and are flying on autopilot "they scan & hit you during the 15km flight to the gate".
--or--
4) There's also a chance that a frieghter might get ganked if it's carrying over 2 billion isk in goods.
Wish i had read this before afk travelling in empire. only plus was that all the valuble stuff went up with the ship, so the ganker lost money, downside is i lost a 140m fitted mammoth.
Tanis Khan
CEO - 14th Legion
Licentia , Veneratio , Superbia
Freedom, Honour, Pride
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.09.09 11:16:00 -
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The other thing that can help is don't make yourself obvious if you're moving valuable cargo.
I'll ask you a question: if two ships are traveling afk (boo), and a suicide ganker only has a certain amount of time to scan one of them, which one would they choose?
- A T1 hauler
- A T1 cruiser
Obviously the hauler - weaker resists, more likely its carrying goodies to loot. But, that T1 cruiser might be carrying a few hundred million in T2 goods, for example, that the ganker never looked at because they were too concerned with killing haulers. A T2 Cruiser would be even better, tank it up very well and make it a real combat ship, and shuttle back and forth with valuable cargo without real fear of being ganked.
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Jen Marie
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.09 15:46:00 -
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When I was flying a drake (now in a Raven) - the key was (and still is) to be a shield tank. In fact, the sieldingon my BS is pretty much what it was in my BC, which is kinda sad, but the damage output is huge.
Considering you COULD fit large shields on a drake to get to 17k+ shields and a recharge rate that could easily reach 80 to 150/s and more at around 50% to 60% or so, even with tech 1 stuff, I would make it a priority to fit 3 or 4 large shields and then pick either passive or active shields. More than half my Level 3 missions in the drake I did without my shields going below 90% - and some when I hit 50% shields, the damage stopped, even though I was being bombed with tons of missles all at once.
The drake is setup better than other BCs I have seen in being a great passive shield tanker. And people know this, so unless you are hauling really expensive stuff, your shielding can handle quite a bit. Don't even worry about it. Just make sure you train shields, recharge shields rates and then BC skill up and the shields compensator skills and you will be cutting damage by huge rates - against a 17k shield is pretty tough to *****.
Jen
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.10 04:25:00 -
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Short answer: you're unlikely to get ganked unless you anger a large corp or alliance.
Longer answer: considering most battleships are free to slightly profitable to suicide it's still possible to get blob ganked. Tank or no tank, 10+ battleships will take you out in the blink of an eye.
That said, organizing a large gank squad plus recovering from the security hit means such operations are reserved for people carrying 1+ billion in loot. Which is why I fly a CNR fitted with crappy yet cheap t2 gear.
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.09.10 07:53:00 -
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As mentioned above, suicide gankers prefer soft juicy haulers with lots of cargo for a variety of reasons (costs less to gank, less likely to resist, more likely to carry profitable loot, carries its cash cows in its cargo hold instead of in its equipment slots, making it more likely it survives the destruction of the ship). Although mission ships with high value modules are likely to be targeted by high sec pirates, this is usually not done with suicide ganking due to the massive tank such ships have and the likelyhood that too much of the good stuff will be blown up to justify the cost and sec hit.
Mission runners are more likely to be targeted by such ploys as the infamous Lofty scam to completely strip them of all high sec protection, making even the smallest gain a gain. But because such scams rely on your cooperation to some extent, you can protect against them. Just make sure never to take anything for granted, and keep in mind that when doing missions in a group, your numbers more than make up for the loss in tank and power you get by scaling down to a T1 ship with T1 fittings. Possibly even enough to scale down one size class. |
ZerKar
Caldari
Deadspace Armada
Lost Children of Eve
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Posted - 2007.09.10 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shanur
As mentioned above, suicide gankers prefer soft juicy haulers with lots of cargo for a variety of reasons (costs less to gank, less likely to resist, more likely to carry profitable loot, carries its cash cows in its cargo hold instead of in its equipment slots, making it more likely it survives the destruction of the ship). Although mission ships with high value modules are likely to be targeted by high sec pirates, this is usually not done with suicide ganking due to the massive tank such ships have and the likelyhood that too much of the good stuff will be blown up to justify the cost and sec hit.
Mission runners are more likely to be targeted by such ploys as the infamous Lofty scam to completely strip them of all high sec protection, making even the smallest gain a gain. But because such scams rely on your cooperation to some extent, you can protect against them. Just make sure never to take anything for granted, and keep in mind that when doing missions in a group, your numbers more than make up for the loss in tank and power you get by scaling down to a T1 ship with T1 fittings. Possibly even enough to scale down one size class.
What was the Lofty scam? I have never understood how you can really rat someone during a mission without Concord's involvement.
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Corwain
Gallente
Kamite
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Posted - 2007.09.10 09:41:00 -
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1. Wardec alt #1 with main
2. Have alt #2 get some poor SOB to join his gang
3. Then alt #2 invites alt #1 to gang, this was the SOB is never told he's in a warring gang
4. gank SOB with main
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.09.10 12:21:00 -
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As mentioned above. Hence my tip to never help a stranger out with a mission using your most expensive ship setup. |
Panch0Villa
Caldari
AFK
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Posted - 2007.09.10 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Panch0Villa on 10/09/2007 14:00:24
Edited by: Panch0Villa on 10/09/2007 13:57:22
Originally by: 711247
Hi, first post :)
I've been playing for a little while now and have managed to get myself a Drake, with pretty cheap fittings (maybe 2 Million Isk or so). I decided to spend almost every Isk I had on some Arbalest Heavy Launchers, because I was getting them for a good price.
So now I am flying about in a 30M Isk ship with 100M Isk work of missile launchers. I currently spend all my time in Hi-Sec space, but obviously this won't stop a determined suicide ganker. Am I in danger of being attacked somewhere like Jita?
1: Suicide gankers as a rule will only attack something that is easy to kill. In the time it takes CONCORD to show up and open it's can of wup***, they will have lost their ships. Popping a well-equipped drake however is not easy. If you have set it up with a passive shield setup, it's unlikely that they will ever destroy you before CONCORD intervenes. Most likely, they would lose the ships it would take to pop your drake, which makes it a very high risk. The reward would have to be much greater than the cost of losing the ships it would take to take you out.
2: Haulers are used to moved a bunch of stuff. That's it. They have weak defenses, and are a tempting target because you could probably kill one off using just a couple of cheap frigates or cruisers. I'm sure many people only use Drakes when they're transporting extremely valuable items.
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