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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.09 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Delphi Disra on 09/09/2007 05:21:41 Capital Ship Construction Investment Opportunity
My companions and I have come out with a failsafe plan to start production on capital ships of all kinds. Currently we have invested over 20b ISK into the plan and in half-scale it is starting well. A little history, we have done investment options before and usually persons who invested received 20-40% pure profit within a month. This vestment will last for about 3 months once target goal has been reached. Any profits we are making so far will be re-invested until target goal is met. This would be a long process so thatÆs why we are opening it up to the public. Currently we are producing ThanatosÆ, ChimeraÆs and ArchonÆs. We will be expanding into Dreadnaught and Mothership production with the investments.Why does this work to our advantage? We get the best prices for producing them and our alliance mates are lining up to buy capital ships. We also provide our own megacyte and zydrine which makes us very competative :)
The Numbers. Target Goal: 40b ISK (35,000,000,000) Currently Vested: 20b ISK (35,000,000,000) Total Still Needed: 20b ISK (20,000,000,000)
Short Stats. Vestment will last for 3 at least months from when target goal has been reached. There is a minimum investment of 10m ISK. You will be guaranteed at least 15% per month from the start of target goal with a minimum of your money being held for 3 months. The interest will be compounded. Profits should be between 20-40% per month for investors, the 15% is a very minimum figure. We are part of a major alliance that does not tolerate thieves and scammers, we would be booted and killed if we were to do anything wrong. And our operations would be completely dismantled by them. Our reputation is important to us and we will do everything within our power to keep you the investor happy. Seeing, as Motherships donÆt sell well if you donÆt have a good reputation. 5 months after your investment and all your profit has been returned you will be getting a free present from us with at least 10% of your initial investment amount. The total Vested # and Still Needed # will be updated daily in the thread.
Instructions: Please convo me for any details you may need. If you wish to make an investment please send the ISK to Delphi Disra, the same character that is posting this and send him an in game eve-mail with the amount you are investing.
You cannot kill the messiah! ~Kane |
Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.09.09 07:33:00 -
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Hi Delphi,
I've got a couple of questions for you that other potential investors may be curious about as well. I hope you take no offense to them, but I'm sure you expected a few questions on the details when you decided to ask for 20b in public investment.
1. Who are your companions, and what access will they have to this 20b public investment? While we may trust you implicitly, we need to know that we can trust anyone who has access to the investment assets. Stealing 20b may ruin a character's reputation, but it is more than sufficient to purchase a new high SP character, with a few billion to spare.
2. Are you distributing shares? Your corp has nearly 100 members, so I'm assuming no "Resurrection" shares will be distributed, but are you creating a holding corp to facilitate management of the IPO? If you aren't distributing shares, how do you intend to track and pay investors?
3. Your "very minimum" figure of 15% return monthly for investors is ambitious for a cap ship operation, and your expected return of 20-40% really seems way out of the ballpark for me. I have a fair amount of ISK invested in two other capital shipyards, run by folks I believe to be highly effective moneymakers, and they can't offer anywhere near 40% because the market just won't support that kind of return. Can you elaborate at all on how you're going to pull off these returns?
4. Where does your "3 month" vestment period come from? I realize it's just a minimum, but again it seems quite unrealistic and not entirely thought out to me. Even at your minimum ROI of 15% monthly, you'd be paying 3 bil monthly in interest, which over 3 months would be 9 bil. Add the 20bil original investment in the picture, and you'd need to make 29bil in profit in 3 months to actually close out the investment within that timeframe. With starting capital of 40bil, and this being a capital shipyard, I just don't see that as possible without a big injection of ISK from an unrelated source. Am I misunderstanding something?
5. I assume your corp operates in 0.0. How vulnerable to hostile action (ie pew pew) are investment assets going to be?
6. Whats your exit strategy? Say you lose interest in cap ship production, or EVE altogether. Are we screwed? Say something terrible happens, and you end up operating at a loss. Investments, particularly in EVE, are never safe, but detailed responses to questions like these go a long way toward giving potential investors enough peace of mind that they'll actually send you some isk.
Again, hope you don't take offense to the questions. As long as you have answers to them, it can only help you win more investors. Look forward to hearing from you.
Blacktag - Buy ships / Fittings / Drones / Ammo in BULK with Delivery! |
Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.09 09:19:00 -
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I understand how this may raise many questions and I am open to all of them.
1.Who are your companions, and what access will they have to this 20b public investment? While we may trust you implicitly, we need to know that we can trust anyone who has access to the investment assets. Stealing 20b may ruin a character's reputation, but it is more than sufficient to purchase a new high SP character, with a few billion to spare.
The only others that will ever have access would be the corp CEO and one Director. The main people handling the assets will be a man by the name of Aflack and myself. I would be willing to trust either my director or CEO with my account details, and trust them both 100% explicitly.
2. Are you distributing shares? Your corp has nearly 100 members, so I'm assuming no "Resurrection" shares will be distributed, but are you creating a holding corp to facilitate management of the IPO? If you aren't distributing shares, how do you intend to track and pay investors?
Short answer. No. What I will do to keep track is make an excel sheet and also post all investments in this thread as a backup. Anyone who wishes will be sent a copy of my excel spreadsheet. Some investors may request to remain anonymous and their requests will be respected.
3.Your "very minimum" figure of 15% return monthly for investors is ambitious for a cap ship operation, and your expected return of 20-40% really seems way out of the ballpark for me. I have a fair amount of ISK invested in two other capital shipyards, run by folks I believe to be highly effective moneymakers, and they can't offer anywhere near 40% because the market just won't support that kind of return. Can you elaborate at all on how you're going to pull off these returns?
For most people it would be very hard to manage 15% but for someone in my situation 20-40% is not out of the realm of question. I have a unique circumstance that gives me a distinct advantage. I am capable of flying 8 hulks at the same time and mining ark and bistot. Which gives me far more megacyte and zydrine than I could ever dream of using. This will keep construction costs way down. Leaving me very much of it that I can liquidate into pure isk. Soon my production will be made even better with the recent acquisition of a rorqual.
4. Where does your "3 month" vestment period come from? I realize it's just a minimum, but again it seems quite unrealistic and not entirely thought out to me. Even at your minimum ROI of 15% monthly, you'd be paying 3 bil monthly in interest, which over 3 months would be 9 bil. Add the 20bil original investment in the picture, and you'd need to make 29bil in profit in 3 months to actually close out the investment within that timeframe. With starting capital of 40bil, and this being a capital shipyard, I just don't see that as possible without a big injection of ISK from an unrelated source. Am I misunderstanding something?
This answer very much ties into my last answer. Basically the reason I gave 3 months is in the unlikely case that every single one of my investors wants to pull out at the end of 3 months and not make more money by staying in longer, 3 months would give me more than enough time to mine back the entire amount owed. Basically I want to start capital production now without having to fund it all myself and wait for a few months. IÆm willing to pay good money for this convenience.
To be continued...
You cannot kill the messiah! ~Kane |
Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.09 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Delphi Disra on 09/09/2007 09:23:11 Continued....
5. I assume your corp operates in 0.0. How vulnerable to hostile action (ie pew pew) are investment assets going to be?
Yes we are operating in 0.0, but production will be done in empire. BPOÆs will be kept in 0.5 systems parts built in 0.4 systems offering maximum protection to assets. My mining operation is currently in no danger and if such danger would arise I have many back up plans that could be initiated where our miners would be safe no matter what.
6. Whats your exit strategy? Say you lose interest in cap ship production, or EVE altogether. Are we screwed? Say something terrible happens, and you end up operating at a loss. Investments, particularly in EVE, are never safe, but detailed responses to questions like these go a long way toward giving potential investors enough peace of mind that they'll actually send you some isk.
I dearly hope that things would not come down to that and I would do everything in my power to keep somthing like that from happening. The fact of the matter is I have made very many good and close friends in both my corporation and alliance. If something were to go horridly wrong and I could not back up my side of the bargain I would liquidate all the assets and return at very least every investors investment. I would even go to lengths of liquidating all of my personal assets, which are extensive. My friends are very important to me and I would never soil their names by just screwing all my investors. I am more than willing to swear upon the fact that everyone would at very least get 100% of their initial investment back.
We have nothing to hide and are more than willing to answer ANY questions. Please feel free to convo, eve-mail or even post here with any questions. You cannot kill the messiah! ~Kane |
Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.09 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Delphi Disra on 09/09/2007 09:41:16 Edited by: Delphi Disra on 09/09/2007 09:39:26 Current List of Investors:
Aflack 8b Delphi Disra 8b anonymous investor 2b Xandiar 1b anonymous investor 1b
Total Vested: 20b Total Needed: 20b
List of persons you may contact that will gladly vouche for my behalf. I have dealt with high level investments with these people. They have trust in me. I'm sure they wont mind you asking them for a referance.
Dhan Minarin Aflack Terbor Locke Lufi125 Growler Khalast
REMEMBER THE ONLY PEOPLE AUTHORISED TO GIVE INFO ON THIS ISSUE OR HANDLE ANY ISK ARE
AFLACK and DELPHI DISRA You cannot kill the messiah! ~Kane |
Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.09.09 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Disra For most people it would be very hard to manage 15% but for someone in my situation 20-40% is not out of the realm of question. I have a unique circumstance that gives me a distinct advantage. I am capable of flying 8 hulks at the same time and mining ark and bistot. Which gives me far more megacyte and zydrine than I could ever dream of using. This will keep construction costs way down. Leaving me very much of it that I can liquidate into pure isk. Soon my production will be made even better with the recent acquisition of a rorqual
Just a thought though, wouldn't calc with zyd/mega at cheaper cost than market price be like shoot yourself in the foot? You would end up get better return from sell it on the market than use it in your production?
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.09 23:28:00 -
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Technically yes, but basically the way I see it I dont want to mine forever, and I want to get capital ship constructions started and running and pay you guys the inteterst you deserve on the loan/investment your giving me. It will enable me to get started on cap ship production sooner to where i'm not forced to mine every day anymore in order to make isk.
Basically what i am doing is creating a retirement plan, and i need investors to make it happen faster. You cannot kill the messiah! ~Kane |
Barry Baptist
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Posted - 2007.09.10 00:38:00 -
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Anyone thinking of investing in this should see this forum post:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=484004
Also, one of the "trusted" contacts if Lufi125, who I can confirm is an alt of Delphi Disra.
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AFLACK
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Posted - 2007.09.10 00:56:00 -
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No, Lufi is not an alt of Delphi, they both have different accents on TS. Also please dont accuse someone of being an alt then message me in game with yours Vapinator... I would not risk such a quantity of isk with someone I did not trust..
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Ola sands
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Posted - 2007.09.10 01:04:00 -
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Dude you nub it is his alt and we all know what he does and how he does it. No one should trust this kid.
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AFLACK
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Posted - 2007.09.10 01:32:00 -
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do yourself a favor and delete what you posted... I have been playing since the open betas... and umm is that another alt?? some people...
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Squidgar
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Posted - 2007.09.10 01:43:00 -
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I can confirm that Lufi is not a Delphi alt.
He is however, a member of the lollipop guild based on his voice in TS. And they are both dyed-in-the-wool corp scammers. |
Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.10 01:59:00 -
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Look the fact of the matter is that I am not a scammer, I have received 1b isk in investments from outside sources and will gladly refund that money, but that will probably not happen seeing as people trust us.
Why donÆt you people actually use real characters with some substance and actually back up your accusations. RISE has trusted me with far more isk than this and I have not screwed them. The fact that Aflack, one of RISE's most respected corp Directors is willing to back me should be enough to show that you CAN trust me.
If you have proof that I am a "thief" or "scammer" please do show it. Otherwise stop trying to tarnish our reputation and trying to do it with alts that I've never even seen. For all I know you may just is competition trying to drive us out.
If you are trying to do this just to hurt RISE how bout you just come and do it with ships instead, your paper thin accusations have no weight.
I AM BAERING RISE'S NAME IN THIS OPERATION AND WILL DO NOTHING OF ANY SORT TO TARNISH THAT NAME!
You cannot kill the messiah! ~Kane |
creepervision
Veni Vidi Vici. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.10 02:41:00 -
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Delphi and I have been in the same corp. Be very careful of this person. Thats just my 2 isk.
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Ola sands
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Posted - 2007.09.10 03:03:00 -
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See the truth comes out. Delphi u can stop denying what you do right about now. You have scammed and ripped off way to many people to get away with it.
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.10 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Delphi Disra on 10/09/2007 21:54:58 Lol I will not even bother resonding to these useless flames. One from a hostile and the rest from nooby alts.
Anyways here is the daily bump.
Also to the mods please get rid of anyone thats not contributing well to this thread. Thanks You cannot kill the messiah! ~Kane |
Potsnack
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:08:00 -
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I would like to make it absolutely clear that I am in no way connected to Delphi Disra, his alts, Rise, or any of the other named investors. I have been trading in Eve since April 2006 and have dealt with many veteran players during that time. On occasion I am asked to act as a third party for clients/contacts who wish to remain annonymous, as has happened in this case.
In response to concerns raised by some individuals in this thread, my client asked me to approach Delphi and request that his investment capital be returned. I eve-mailed Delphi with this request and the investment isk was returned in full within 12 hours.
Both my client and I would like to thank Delphi for his swift and honest response.
Of course there is no way of telling if this is a genuine investment opportunity or not, investing is always a risk, but it will be a great shame for all concerned if this is a genuine venture, ruined by mistaken identity and/or forum pvp.
My client will continue to monitor the progress of this venture and he may yet re-invest at a later date once the dust has settled.
Regards Potsnack
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.13 08:35:00 -
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Thank you for those kind words.
Investments are still coming in and we are still open for buisness in light of the negative comments.
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.14 05:31:00 -
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Daily move to the top! Investment Numbers have been updated in main post.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.09.14 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 14/09/2007 07:07:02 This jacka$$ is spamming the blueprint channel like a total ISK seller with this link.
IMO anyone who does that is a scammer and isn't worth the time of day.
Invest if you like but I out of principle you should tell this moron to take a hike for off-topic and unwelcome spam.
Taikun -----------------------------------
For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good. |
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.15 01:50:00 -
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Freindly Bump to the top :)
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.16 04:30:00 -
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bumpety bump
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.17 02:46:00 -
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Investments are still coming in :)
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.30 07:18:00 -
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Still taking those investments!
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Delphi Disra
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.02 01:24:00 -
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Well today is a big day!!! We have breached the 7billion isk investment marker.
People jump on this oppertunity! You will not be dissatisfied.
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Dinwiddy Snurdle
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.10.02 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Delphi Disra Investments are still coming in :)
I can't see anyone posting their interest in investing with you in this thread, do you have a seperate thread somewhere were we can see others investing in this venture?
Normally these ipo's/investment plans have pages of people publicly stating their interest and pledging x amount of isk etc. Yours strangley doesn't
One last question. The capital ship market is saturated these days, is this the best way to spend 40b isk?
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