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Thomas Epsilon
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Posted - 2004.02.12 08:03:00 -
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The subject says it all.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.02.12 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 12/02/2004 08:30:13
Carebears is a term from way before Eve. Its someone who plays in a pvp enabled game but doesnt want to pvp nonconsential targets; usual reason is empathy for the target.
It can have alot of variations as most slang does.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.12 09:33:00 -
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The usual reason, is because people fear to lose their virtual assets. All Carebears think about is how much isk they have in the bank, and keeping their shiny ship nice and new.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.02.12 09:42:00 -
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Think so?
Thats not what keeps me from PvP. Theres prolly alot of reason.
Lots of PvPrs are risk averse so I dont actually believe its the risk averse factor that seperates people. You dont see lone frigates camping level 2 agent spawns do you? Theoretically a single loaded out frigate could do it cause only pve frigates come to the spawns. But only with risk. Surprise attacks are another way the PvE demonstrates that he is risk averse. He realizes that if he attacks with total surprise and jets at the first sign of serious resistance that he stands little chance of getting podded.
So Im not buying. Risk management isnt what seperates carebears from nonconsential PvPrs.
Nonconsential PvPrs *usually* dont expose themselves to risk UNLESS they make a mistake. A miscalculation.
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Boomer Weiss
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Boomer Weiss on 12/02/2004 14:26:56
A "Carebear" in the purest sense of the term has historically been a roleplayer first, PvPer second, using PvP as a tool in their gameplay, rather than the sole purpose fore playing.
The other end of the spectrum is the "Ganker" a person who's sole enjoyment is derived from developing a high level character than preying upon lower level characters that have no chance of winning merely for the "Grief" value and body count.
Truth is, The large majority PvP players in any RPG style game fall well in between either end of the spectrum.
A good example in this game are certain PC pirate corps that have issued a manifesto concerning how to pay their tribute and avoid getting podded.
One side sees them as "Gankers" for preying upon "innocent" passerbys, with threat of destruction to back their extortion demands.
Yet, some of their more bloodthirsty compatriots in 0.0 space see them as "Carebear" for even offering a peaceful solution to begin with.
The point is today both terms are cast about like vile insults whenever there is a disagreement concerning PvP actions within game by PCs, making them utterly meaningless as descriptive terms beyond that percieved insult value.
So in a nutshell, if someone calls you a carebear, assume they have just insulted your parental origins in the foulest manner possible and plant a missle in their exhaust first opportunity you get to show them how much you care. :)
edited because the sig closed up with the message text
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Kharai
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Posted - 2004.02.12 14:58:00 -
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At one point it meant a non-PVPer. But increasingly PVP-only games and hardcore pvpers get called "carebear" just because they're not nasty or cruel enough or can tell the difference between pvp and griefing.
At this point, it tends to be a one-upmanship thing in terms of how much grief you cause other people. A "carebear" is someone who has less interest in anti-social behavior than the one screaming "carebear" does.
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Tsual
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Posted - 2004.02.12 16:24:00 -
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At the moment the terms carbear and griefers are rather pale shadows of the original meaning, sometimes it means that a carbear is too gutless to risk anything, while griefer means someone that only wants to harm someone.
However this terms have been overused by "I want this in game" or the "you're guilty" propaganda threads.
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Karai
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Posted - 2004.02.12 17:59:00 -
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I gave up on the term after hearing Shadowclan called a carebear guild and Shadowbane a carebear game. <rolls eyes>
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.02.12 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kaaii on 12/02/2004 19:26:40
A "Carebear" is a player that has mastered ALL facets of the EVE Universe..
the rest are called pirates.... 
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Boomer Weiss
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Posted - 2004.02.12 21:04:00 -
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I gave up on the term after hearing Shadowclan called a carebear guild and Shadowbane a carebear game. <rolls eyes>
Played Shadowclan with DAOC, Shadowbane and SWG, wish they would come here....Orcs in Space...yeah it could work now that stations are up for grab.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2004.02.13 13:55:00 -
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-Havo
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.02.13 17:41:00 -
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Carebears is a term from way before Eve. Its someone who plays in a pvp enabled game but doesnt want to pvp nonconsential targets; usual reason is empathy for the target.
I have to agree that in it's mainly the fact that some people just don't want to do any agression to other players. They understand there is a player behind the keyboard and perhaps that player doesn't want to fight either, so they want the game to have consential PvP for the people who DO want to fight.
Problem with any game with consential PvP, if someone makes you mad, you can /duel them, but they will just laugh at you not accept the duel and continue on thier day. In a nonconsential PvP game, people have to keep thier personal relations skills in check a bit more, as if they upset someone, they can be shot at w/o notice.
The other side of the spectrem as many have said, 'greifers' tend to solely try to do harm or upset the person behind the keyboard. They often time employ exploits in the game or the fact that not everybody first entering the game knows the game mechanics.
Somewhere between is your average PvPer. He will present a fair fight (a 'fair fight' is another term that can be drawn either way, in this case it means both sides not using an exploit or bug in game mechanics) to another person. A pirate sitting at choke-points, a pirate that trolls roid belts, anti-pirates, mercinaries or regional alliances all fall into this bracket.
Only thing I have to say is, if your the type of person who doesn't want anything to do with PvP, either hire bodyguards to keep people from attacking you or stay in .6-1.0 systems as you are close to the definition of 'carebear'.
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2004.02.13 19:35:00 -
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I gave up on the term after hearing Shadowclan called a carebear guild and Shadowbane a carebear game. <rolls eyes>
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