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Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.09.13 02:07:00 - [61] I read the 1st post and failed to read the others.... why oh why must the mods sully C&P with this CAOD crap.. CAOD is bad enough without that drama spilling into C&P. We can barely contain our own drama here... /me bangs head against wall "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.13 06:25:00 - [62] Originally by: Dagam As far as scams go this is nothing compared to the Nyx BPO lofty stole from INFOD and ran to BoB with. Goons might not have pioneered scamming but they don't hide it and they certainly don't try to smear other alliances while doing it themselves. That would be hypocritical. Originally by: lofty29 Just before I left INFOD - lofty29 > BoB perfectly strikes INFOD Internal Structure, Wrecking for 100% Damage DaMiGe > lol lofty Vigor > are there any directors left? Swanger > /emote strikes lofty29 a wrecking blow, removing all roles and booting his ass from the corp. Talnuk Va'Siir > i told you he was a bobo spy sent here to corrupt infod from the inside :/ Notify : Channel Changed To Aliastra Corp Chat What BoB may, or may not have done, is irrelevant. The point is, you guys made yourself look like whale ****es. I don't have a lot of respect for lofty and what he does to empire mission runners, but him stealing from infod? Corp thievery has never bothered me the same way that the crap in this video has. But, again, that is ancillary to the whole issue. What one BoB member may, or may not have done isn't relevant to the kind of crap you guys do, as a collective, on a regular basis--and I'm not even counting the damage you've done to the eve community (even though I do hate bob) with your stupid fracking meta-gaming. Bottom line, I* feel the behavior exhibited by Goons and company, on a regular basis, seriously harms your image, and puts you at risk, with me at least, of being counted as lower than BoB. But, hey, that's just me. And as you guys have shown, time and again, you don't really give a flying frack about who you hurt, or who thinks what about you. So go on, do what you do, and don't give a thought for the rest of us, but that kind of behavior has consequences, you should learn to deal with it instead of whining and excuse grinding. -Karlemgne
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.09.13 07:11:00 - [63] Its all in the name, they earn the name GOONSWARM! He got what he desearved for trying to join them tbh. If the goons end up winning the war im sure it wont be long when everyone on the goon side realise the mistake they made when goons start griefing them. But im willing to bet he will be looking to join the other side of the fight and kill goons dead. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.13 07:24:00 - [64] I believe a Goon stated the aim of Goons was to bring down Eve. Certainly they have done a great deal to bring these forums down into the gutter. When they dont like the fact someone points this out (yeah yeah I know they say they dont care but they do) its all that little kid stuff "someone else started it", "i didn't do it", "i dont care anyway". All that stuff grows old once you are past either about 8 years old or a certain level of mental development. You might not like BOB but your going to hate Goons. - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.09.13 07:32:00 - [65] Originally by: Omega Man You might not like BOB but your going to hate Goons. yea but it will be interesting to see what happens in 0.0 should BoB fall....the "coalition" won't/can't stay friendly for long...though I imagine 6 months from now this war will still be dragging on.... "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.13 07:56:00 - [66] Originally by: Omega Man I believe a Goon stated the aim of Goons was to bring down Eve. If a Goon said it, it must be true. Quote: Certainly they have done a great deal to bring these forums down into the gutter. MYLP _
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.09.13 07:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Omega Man You might not like BOB but your going to hate Goons. yea but it will be interesting to see what happens in 0.0 should BoB fall....the "coalition" won't/can't stay friendly for long...though I imagine 6 months from now this war will still be dragging on.... Sounds good to me, more forum drama is always nice.
LoganFire Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:40:00 - [68] Goons say they stand for honour and freedom hence they do scams like the above coz its the only way to get a carrier kill mail. They can not count hence their own ceo robbed them and it took over a month to notice. On the forums they can only do one liners where they mention Bob in every other word, I have a feeling they really want to be like Bob but lets face it they are still RA pets hence RA before the goons name RAGOONS. So if you stupied and a little simple join Goons and be a meat shield for RA. Bring it
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:57:00 - [69] Originally by: bitters GoonSwarm has done nothing but make my life a living hell. I, too, tried joining GoonSwarm in the past. Lured into a gang I was divested of not only my money but also my pride as the gang leader warped me to a friendly (but to me hostile) POS and dropped the gang. Suffice to say I never saw that Blackbird again, nor the 500 million isk I paid them. Stay away from the Goonies, I say. They are nothing but troublemakers, deceitful and false. LOL... owned why the f.... would u pay someone to get into a corp.... darwin anyone ? --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Tellenta Gallente White-Noise Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:29:00 - [70] Originally by: Devilish Ledoux I really love all of this "OMG DUN JOIN GOONZ" posts. Basically you're trying to make sure that people know that they shouldn't try to join Goonswarm if they're not already a SA Goon. Interestingly enough, this is the exact same thing the Goonswarm recruiters say. Which makes me wonder ... who are you really working for? Which kinda makes me chuckle a little bit. It's not like the goons hide the fact this stuff happens. It's another case of someone not reading the recruitment policy because they thought they were special. They got special treatment alright
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:53:00 - [71] Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/09/2007 16:54:05 Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Devilish Ledoux I really love all of this "OMG DUN JOIN GOONZ" posts. Basically you're trying to make sure that people know that they shouldn't try to join Goonswarm if they're not already a SA Goon. Interestingly enough, this is the exact same thing the Goonswarm recruiters say. Which makes me wonder ... who are you really working for? Which kinda makes me chuckle a little bit. It's not like the goons hide the fact this stuff happens. It's another case of someone not reading the recruitment policy because they thought they were special. They got special treatment alright Lets face facts, not everyone who is attempting to join a corp or alliance in EVE-O knows what "meta" gaming is, or has heard of the something awful forums. So all of this, "widely published recruitment policy," is bull***. Normally, in games like this (MMOs,) where you want to join a guild, corporation, alliance, whatever, you ask the people in said organizations whether or not you can join, and then they TELL you their recruitment policy. I.e. if you wanted to join the Malevolent, you wouldn't, and shouldn't, have to go out of game to search for our recruitment policy. I would tell you to your face: our criteria is X, Y, and Z. So to place the responsibility in the hands of individual pilots in eve-o to have looked for, and researched goonie recruitment policy is prima facia* ridiculous. The goons could remind people about their recruitment policy, they could tell people to look on the internet, etc. They don't, and why? Because somewhere along the line they realized that, "hey people come to this mmo thinking we're just another in-game corp/alliance, not a bunch of 'meta'-gaming asshats! Lets kill them and rob them!" Its a profitable policy for Goonswarm. Now, again, I'm a pirate, and I don't shy away from player killing, or even scamming from time to time. However, something about using "recruitment" to gank people rubs me the wrong way. And, most certainly, I don't think its fair in this circumstance to lay all of the responsibility at the victims feet. So again, do what you life, but except the consequences. If you are going to behave this way, TAKE responsibility for your actions. Don't go, "oh... oh... but Lofty who is a BoB member did X." What's that got to do with you? NOTHING. Stop trying to manufacture excuses. -Karlemgne
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:38:00 - [72] I really don't see a point to this thread. The Goons are digging their own grave by doing things like this. They are even losing the forum war by being over the top jerks to everyone. Why give them yet ANOTHER thread to dangle their e-peen and provide ass-hat remarks? Just let them be and they'll die eventually. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:52:00 - [73] Asking for some moral compass from goons is like giving whiskey and a Ferrari to teenage boys.... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:09:00 - [74] Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/09/2007 16:56:54 Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Devilish Ledoux I really love all of this "OMG DUN JOIN GOONZ" posts. Basically you're trying to make sure that people know that they shouldn't try to join Goonswarm if they're not already a SA Goon. Interestingly enough, this is the exact same thing the Goonswarm recruiters say. Which makes me wonder ... who are you really working for? Which kinda makes me chuckle a little bit. It's not like the goons hide the fact this stuff happens. It's another case of someone not reading the recruitment policy because they thought they were special. They got special treatment alright Lets face facts, not everyone who is attempting to join a corp or alliance in EVE-O knows what "meta" gaming is, or has heard of the something awful forums. So all of this, "widely published recruitment policy," is bull***. Normally, in games like this (MMOs,) where you want to join a guild, corporation, alliance, whatever, you ask the people in said organizations whether or not you can join, and then they TELL you their recruitment policy. I.e. if you wanted to join the Malevolent, you wouldn't, and shouldn't, have to go out of game to search for our recruitment policy. I would tell you to your face: our criteria is X, Y, and Z. So to place the responsibility in the hands of individual pilots in eve-o to have looked for, and researched goonie recruitment policy is prima facia* ridiculous. The goons could remind people about their recruitment policy, they could tell people to look on the internet, etc. They don't, and why? Because somewhere along the line they realized that, "hey people come to this mmo thinking we're just another in-game corp/alliance, not a bunch of 'meta'-gaming asshats! Lets kill them and rob them!" Its a profitable policy for Goonswarm. Now, again, I'm a pirate, and I don't shy away from player killing, or even scamming from time to time. However, something about using "recruitment" to gank people rubs me the wrong way. And, most certainly, I don't think its fair in this circumstance to lay all of the responsibility at the victims feet. So again, do what you like, but accept the consequences. If you are going to behave this way, TAKE responsibility for your actions. Don't go, "oh... oh... but Lofty who is a BoB member did X." What's that got to do with you? NOTHING. Stop trying to manufacture excuses. -Karlemgne Karlemnge, One thing you are a missing. Goonswarm is an alliance and a collection corporations. We each have significantly different methods and requirements for recruitment. Each corporation operates like any other separate entity. It would be like saying Evoke and RKK are the same, because they are BoB. No they are working for the same cause but they manage themselves differently. I along with others do not participate nor encourage scams of this sort. Its just not our style. And its a waste of time. You must however see beyond the tip of your nose and realize that out of what 4000 members, you will have maybe 5% creating havoc like this. Thats makes 200 members by the way. So out of a 100 member corp, 5 will do this. I think thats a safe average to work with. So it is what it is. My style....I would rather stick you with a knife facing you, much more satisfying. The over generalization is quite pathetic. Its like raising the same debate that all pirates don't honor ransoms. And all carebears are whiners. Blah Blah Blah. Now to the OP: The question I was asking, was what is your "vested interest" It was specific question and I guess you chose to ignore it. If you have trouble answering the question or fail to understand the meaning of "Vested interest", just let me know and I will help you out. THE PREVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
Exlegion KnightRaven Research KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:37:00 - [75] Edited by: Exlegion on 13/09/2007 20:45:04 So then the question is which of the Goon corporations should I worry about stabbing me in the back? From this video, personally I prefer to just not trust any Goon. Much easier, safer, and cleaner. And, so far, aside from you, it seems that your alliance fully endorses the actions that this "5%" commits. Seems to me that Goon Alliance gives a big OK to backstabbing. Far from the "every corporation acts as a separate entity" theory. Don't take this personal. These are just my observations from your alliance. Technically, what your alliance does is permissable and part of the game. But when you act and walk like a duck don't get upset when people start calling you a duck. Man up and take responsibility for your actions. When you backstab people, they are going to wonder if you can be trusted. Don't get upset if people are calling you on what it is you are doing. That's all. No need for a war to bring you down. You guys are doing a great job doing this all by yourselves. The funny thing is I thought my alliance was helping the Goons to free Eve from BoB opression. But by the looks of it, I'm not really sure which is the lesser of the evils. So after the war is over will Eve really be better off with you guys around? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:59:00 - [76] Baaldor, you are in Goons, this is a video of what Goons do. Wring your hands all you like, telling us you dont like it. You dont like it, leave Goons. As for my vested interest. I did not realise: a. I needed one. b. I needed to tell you. Generally speaking most people will have read the thread and decided for themselves what my vested interest is. From this you can assume I am not going to answer you, let me know if I have broken any Goon rules that until this point has been buried somewhere deep on your own boards. Seems there are quite a few things go on in Goons that normal players would consider totally ludicrous. This is about telling people what Goons are all about and how they conduct themselves. You might dislike BOB but your going to hate Goons. - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Cpt Fina Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:20:00 - [77] Goonswarm has always been full of backstabbers and jerks. TheyÆre the only crowd in Eve that IÆd be happy to see get banned tbh.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:32:00 - [78] Originally by: Omega Man Baaldor, you are in Goons, this is a video of what Goons do. Wring your hands all you like, telling us you dont like it. You dont like it, leave Goons. As for my vested interest. I did not realise: a. I needed one. b. I needed to tell you. Generally speaking most people will have read the thread and decided for themselves what my vested interest is. From this you can assume I am not going to answer you, let me know if I have broken any Goon rules that until this point has been buried somewhere deep on your own boards. Seems there are quite a few things go on in Goons that normal players would consider totally ludicrous. This is about telling people what Goons are all about and how they conduct themselves. You might dislike BOB but your going to hate Goons. Ok. Thats what I thought. Vested interest- A special interest in protecting or promoting that which is to one's own personal advantage.Those groups that seek to maintain or control an existing system or activity from which they derive private benefit. I never said I did not like it what they did. I just said its not mine or others style. Nor do I encourage the behavior. READING COMPREHENSION, would be nice right now. No hand wringing here dude. At least Goons have a sense of humor. THE PREVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
Sagrim Ur The Band of Five	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:15:00 - [79] Quote: You might dislike BOB but your going to hate Goons. so maybe everyone that thinks this should form up an allaince(not necessarily an official one either) who's purpose is pure and simply to insure that neither BoB nor Goonswarm succeeds in the war and is bled to the point where the war De-gens into a stalemate, thus leaving both as a sort of "balance" to the other. personally i dont really care either way. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant. If I die you are forgiven, but if I live I will kill you. Such is the rule of honor.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:18:00 - [80] Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 07:30:51 as for the Troll cleaner linked in my sig, its default settings by the author was to remove Goon posts from CAOD, because of all the rubbish they post. You are a hypocrit as you're lowering the tone of the C&P forum when you're trolling rubbish should be in CAOD where it belongs. Your trolling posts need to be removed from the eve-o forums. If you don't like the Goons shoot at them it's the C&P solution. Action instead of moaning and whining like a four year old girl. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:31:00 - [81] Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 07:30:51 as for the Troll cleaner linked in my sig, its default settings by the author was to remove Goon posts from CAOD, because of all the rubbish they post. You are a hypocrit as you're lowering the tone of the C&P forum when you're trolling rubbish should be in CAOD where it belongs. Your trolling posts need to be removed from the eve-o forums. If you don't like the Goons shoot at them it's the C&P solution. Action instead of moaning and whining like a four year old girl. Solution for you: thankyou for your useful tips on moderation and what should happen to my posts. take it up with this guy: Moving to Crime and Punishment from EVE General Discussion. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected]) As for me being a hypocrite and trolling, I think its quite important what one of the major alliances in game is doing. Clearly you would rather have this stuff hidden away so people dont find out. I have posted this because what happened happened, anyone want to dispute that? As for the rest of your post, I am sure it sounded clever in your head. - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Jim Linger Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:42:00 - [82] There was a critial error in your recruitment process Mr. man you trusted a goon
Vrizuh Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:00:00 - [83] It seems unlikely that Goons will pay the karmic price for this, but then, I believe that political necessities are real. Nobody can burn allies in a callous manner and expect the status quo to continue. If it could be done, everyone would do it for their own short term goals. I hated bob until I saw that video. Its remarkable. Nothing had ever made me change my opinion of bob. The hate, its just not there. That video condemns 4000 members.
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:04:00 - [84] Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 22:40:40 I think its quite important what one of the major alliances in game is doing. Clearly you would rather have this stuff hidden away so people dont find out. You think wrong. What major alliances do has no effect on piracy. You should also read the multiple threads in CAOD where this has happend before. There's nothing to hide as the Goons don't hide it. Your anti-goon propaga is more suited to CAOD as you are only discussing alliance politics which has nothing to do with Crimes or Punishment. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:10:00 - [85] Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 23:12:14 Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 22:40:40 I think its quite important what one of the major alliances in game is doing. Clearly you would rather have this stuff hidden away so people dont find out. You think wrong. What major alliances do has no effect on piracy. You should also read the multiple threads in CAOD where this has happend before. There's nothing to hide as the Goons don't hide it. Your anti-goon propaga is more suited to CAOD as you are only discussing alliance politics which has nothing to do with Crimes or Punishment. err you missed a bit from my quote so here it is: Solution for you: thankyou for your useful tips on moderation and what should happen to my posts. take it up with this guy: Moving to Crime and Punishment from EVE General Discussion. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected]) However I am glad we have a common ground in wanting to make sure this sort of trick done by Goons on multiple occasions is worth bringing to the notice of the community. We just seem to have different methods of going about this. You do it by trying to insult me, I do it by posting on the forum. - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:25:00 - [86] Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 23:18:25 Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 23:12:14 Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: Omega Man Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 22:40:40 I think its quite important what one of the major alliances in game is doing. Clearly you would rather have this stuff hidden away so people dont find out. You think wrong. What major alliances do has no effect on piracy. You should also read the multiple threads in CAOD where this has happend before. There's nothing to hide as the Goons don't hide it. Your anti-goon propaga is more suited to CAOD as you are only discussing alliance politics which has nothing to do with Crimes or Punishment. err you missed a bit from my quote so here it is: Solution for you: thankyou for your useful tips on moderation and what should happen to my posts. take it up with this guy: Moving to Crime and Punishment from EVE General Discussion. -Rauth Kivaro([email protected]) However I am glad we have a common ground in wanting to make sure this sort of trick done by Goons on multiple occasions is worth bringing to the notice of the community. We just seem to have different methods of going about this. You do it by trying to insult me, I do it by posting the facts of the matter. I edited to reduce clutter and I don't discuss moderation. I don't see much point trying to "raise awareness" as the clip is posted on youtube for all to see, and I consider this old news as the 300m for sponsorship has been posted about repeatedly. If anything your probably helping to recruit pvpers to the Goons which may not be achieving your intended goal. I still recommend shooting them if you don't like them. I believe at various points I have shot at BoB, Goons and RA. I don't discriminate on the basis of politics I just don't like alliances very much. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:28:00 - [87] Edited by: Omega Man on 13/09/2007 23:34:22 oh well, we have different viewpoints, it would have been much clearer to everyone if you justed posted with your Goon character. Discussing moderation was not offered, you seemed to have a lot of ideas for the mods as to what could be done with my posts. I just suggested you contact the moderator that moved this post here in the first place. It seemed the obvious place to start dont you think? The point is Goons are pretty low in their tactics and methods in game. You dont have to like it, but its best you find out what you are dealing with first. The carrier pilot being ganked by the Goons he imagined were going to recruit him in the video clearly did not know the score. Nobody puts themselves forward for being scammed, ransomed and ganked by people he only wanted to join to assist in the war. Some Goons have tried to excuse this on the basis if the carrier pilot had done more research he would have realised what asshats they all were. Well here is a thread which is going to make that research easier for people in the future. - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
redialer Minmatar The African Contingency Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:36:00 - [88] dev alt ^^
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:54:00 - [89] Originally by: Omega Man I believe a Goon stated the aim of Goons was to bring down Eve. This is all you need to know about Goons. They play Goons in space, not eve. -----
Devian 666 Sectoid Technologies	Posted - 2007.09.13 23:56:00 - [90] Originally by: redialer dev alt ^^ Agreed as the thread does not include any of the other nastier tactics of other major alliances. Thus it is a biased point of view. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain.

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