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Aykido
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.09.26 15:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Pizi
Edited by: Pizi on 24/09/2007 12:51:51
yes absolutly correct , it would be just a workaround
best option would be to let the T1 ME influence the outcome as they planned in the beginning by an factor 1:10
so if i but a ME 100 T1 into invention and the old outcome would be a ME -8 you now get an ME+2
and to all the T2 holders that say T1 research is fast ...
it takes half a year or so to research a cruiser T1 BPO to 100
As much as I would like to see the ability to research BPC's included in the november patch I think a little tweaking in the area of ME levels is a more realistic option where by you invent BPC's with me0 - me-4 depending on your decrypter.
Allowing us the option of researching BPC's would only overburden the labs available to the player base.
This would be cool.
Or we could get ME/PE levels to negate part or all of the base negative of Invented BPCs. I'd be happy with that.
For example:
level 0-2 = no adjustment
level 3-8 = negative value lowered by 1
level 9-26 = negative value lowered by 2
level 27-80 = negative value lowered by 3
level 81+ = negative value lowered by 4
For example with an ME30/PE10 BPC, the result of the invention would be adjusted to base ME -1/PE -2 (and this figure would then be modified by decryptor).
And then introduce Efficient Arrays for ships, modules, drones, ammo that take longer to make things (say 1.25 time modifier), but that cut waste by half.
This would really help with making Invention more stable and competitive.
Selling PERFECT PRINTS of every seeded T1 BPO: modules, rigs, drones, ammo and ships (4 ships missing), and most capital modules too! Selling any INVENTED T2 BPC by order! Can build also! |
Bom Bolenath
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Posted - 2007.09.26 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Bom Bolenath on 26/09/2007 23:18:03
Just one point to add to this excellent thread:
Even without implementation of t2 bpc research to improve ME, the new t2 ships are going to create an unprecedented rush for empire research slots.
Either CCP is going to double (minimally) the number of publicly available slots, or the profits from new t2 invention are going to go almost exclusively to POS owners. Smaller operators simply won't be able to turn over enough jobs to compete once they start waiting for invention slots like we have been for copy slots for so long. To add insult to injury, POSes go twice as fast, which I've never understood. Why aren't major station facilities faster than cheap mobile ones?
ME values on new ships won't matter a bit, as they won't be connected to the "perfect" stats of a BPO, so that's not a big concern, but I'll definitely jump on the bandwagon and urge CCP to consider buffing the ME penalties on existing t2 invention projects.
I love how we've been thanked for participating in a beta program designed more to correct a bloated t2 market than provide us a real career. I do make isk from invention, like all but the ship inventors with the worst luck, but it's hardly worth the time given the work of t2 production and then getting everything to market.
bom!
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Triumdicta
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Posted - 2007.09.27 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: William Alex
This mostly comes from people who assume that 50% of 10 is 5 and will always be 5.
ok, granted i'm a complete noobie to invention, why else i'd be lurking these forums, but math is math, and 50% of 10 is and always will be 5
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Benvie
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Posted - 2007.09.27 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Triumdicta
Originally by: William Alex
This mostly comes from people who assume that 50% of 10 is 5 and will always be 5.
ok, granted i'm a complete noobie to invention, why else i'd be lurking these forums, but math is math, and 50% of 10 is and always will be 5
He means a 50% chance. "Chance" is the key word and a lot of people don't understand that it means results can vary.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.09.27 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Bolenath
Edited by: Bom Bolenath on 26/09/2007 23:18:03 Lots of stuff
Well I agree with the part about improving the ME/PE of a invented t2 BPC. It cant carry on like this if invention is suposed to be the only suplier of the future t2 equipment/ships.
I disagree with seeding more research slots in empire since this wont change a thing. They will be availiable for a few hours then people (knowing our greedy nature) will use up all the available slots for as long as possable and the empire base will be forced to use pos slots again. (tbh the cost of errecting a research pos in low sec isnt that much.)
Originally by: Karanth
Wimps play empire. Real men play in 0.0. Hardcore masochists live out in drone space.
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
Techmart Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.27 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dominique Vasilkovsky on 27/09/2007 09:03:30
It would be nice if the final ME/PE was affected by something, be it input ME/PE, advanced skill or implant doesn't really matter. Just as long as we can improve it.
Of course just lowering the base wastage a couple of levels would work as well.
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