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X3S Minmatar Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:59:00 - [1] As I fly through 0.0, I notice One thing... Everyone seems to be hunting pirates. They tell me if your red, your dead. This confuses me because I thought 0.0 was the only place where a pirate can enjoy jumping through gates without having every sentry gun firing at them. So if pirates are banned from flying in high sec, how come pod pilots with positive secruity status are not banned from the lawless zones. How long will we let this great injustice go on?
Sofring Eternus	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:07:00 - [2] If the pirates prey on the corporations and pilots that claim and maintain sovereignty of the 0.0 space whenever they try to travel between 0.0 and empire. And it is pirates that blockade the routes for corp business you cannot honestly expect them to let you trespass in their space can you?
Kaleigh Doyle The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:41:00 - [3] You're a smart woman, dear. I know you can figure this one out all by yourself.
X3S Minmatar Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.09.11 19:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Sofring Eternus If the pirates prey on the corporations and pilots that claim and maintain sovereignty of the 0.0 space whenever they try to travel between 0.0 and empire. And it is pirates that blockade the routes for corp business you cannot honestly expect them to let you trespass in their space can you? They have the right to shoot anyone they want. It sickens me to see pilots leave the protective shelter that concord provides in high sec to enter pirate dominated space without harrassment. Everyone seems to be trying to erradicate Pirates, when they should be aspiring to be like them. If standing up against concord makes me a target to everyone, so be it.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:01:00 - [5] Originally by: X3S It sickens me to see pilots leave the protective shelter that concord provides in high sec to enter pirate dominated space without harrassment. Pirate dominated? Your complaint is based on a fundamental misunderstanding. High security space is sovereign to whatever empire claims it. 0.0, while painted "lawless" for its lack of Concord, is not "pirate dominated" space. It is generally sovereign to a pod-pilot alliance, a small "empire" of sorts. They have rules of their own, and generally at least some degree of capacity to enforce those rules. It is unfortunate that you assumed 0.0 space was an accountability free zone. My recommendation? Establish an empire of your own, and allow it to be this "pirate dominated" utopia you apparently desire. Your space, your rules.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:15:00 - [6] You know, if they were all pirates, they'd be shooting you anyway.
X3S Minmatar Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad You know, if they were all pirates, they'd be shooting you anyway. I'd rather be killed by a pirate then Concord loving tourist anyday.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 20:55:00 - [8] Clearly this is some poor attempt at humor. Concord authority does not extend to that space, if it did you would be shot by sentry guns. Concord rules do not apply, so pilots enforce their own. Happily, you fly in an area that does not like you and yours. I say happily because you get shot at there as well. The real lesson here is that all races and factions can improve their own lot and that of the entire cluster by destroying Sani Sabik ships.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:01:00 - [9] It is my opinion that Concord is nothing but a corrupt entity that holds some kind of righteous pretense that they are the ones in charge. I am also of the opinion, that they in fact, accept multiple bribes from various Pirate entities. Case in point: I hunt a known criminal Pod pilot, that operates with one leg in lawlessness and piracy, another leg in legitimate business practices. When I destroy said pilot's ship, and confiscate the contraband or stolen goods he has aboard his ship, I loose security status. The only reason I can find for this, is that CONCORD is taking payouts from Pirate corporations. The human condition of greed and hate is still among us, no doubt about it. The Beginning <-- crap quality, need to redo, sorry :(
Some Caldari Caldari Shadow Warrioz	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:47:00 - [10] It don't matter what side of the law you stand when in 0.0 it's every man, woman and fedo for themselves. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Ebon Seraph The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2007.09.12 04:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Feng Schui It is my opinion that Concord is nothing but a corrupt entity that holds some kind of righteous pretense that they are the ones in charge. I am also of the opinion, that they in fact, accept multiple bribes from various Pirate entities. Case in point: I hunt a known criminal Pod pilot, that operates with one leg in lawlessness and piracy, another leg in legitimate business practices. When I destroy said pilot's ship, and confiscate the contraband or stolen goods he has aboard his ship, I loose security status. The only reason I can find for this, is that CONCORD is taking payouts from Pirate corporations. The human condition of greed and hate is still among us, no doubt about it. You make an interesting point. I am a believer that CONCORD seeks to destroy each Empire for its "vision", of a single government entity. Take note of my recent posts concerning the impotence of the Amarr Empire. Because of CONCORD, most of Empire's citizens no longer live according to the destiny that has been laid out for them. I wouldn't be at all surprised that there those in the other Empires that feel the same way. Casserina Negathema of the Blinded Eye Ebon Seraph recruiting!
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.12 05:17:00 - [12] CONCORD is only interested in it's own self-determined justice, happy to slap each other on the backs for their public works while turning a blind eye to countless atrocities across space committed by Capsuleers and the Empires alike. Like any police force, they are nothing more than a parasitic entity that survives on the popularity it creates for itself among the people it makes a show of coddling. Great Injustice? Well, they aren't necessarily out to cut your throat (unless it might look popular) but they certainly don't have anything save their own power and egos in their interests. Certainly not the great beacons of morality and order they style themselves as but hardly in of themselves (for everyday purposes that is) a 'Great Injustice'. The major "Injustice" in CONCORD lies not in any particulars of the organization but rather in the national entities it is built upon. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Indira Karris Amarr Blood Void Sect	Posted - 2007.09.12 07:36:00 - [13] Originally by: X3S Edited by: X3S on 11/09/2007 18:39:42 As I fly through 0.0, I notice One thing... Everyone seems to be hunting pirates. They tell me if your red, your dead. This confuses me because I thought 0.0 was the only place where a pirate can enjoy jumping through gates without having every sentry gun firing at them. So if pirates are banned from flying in high sec, how come pod pilots with positive secruity status are not banned from the lawless zones. How long will we let this great injustice go on? Political and ideological posturing aside, if those of high security status were kept out of lawless space, it in fact would not be lawless space. If you have problems with those of high security status attacking you due to your low security status, well that's a whole other issue. As many would say, if you cannot deal with the consequences of your actions, why do you do them? From a psychological standpoint there is a payoff somewhere. Despite being fired upon, despite being persecuted and hunted, you do not change your ways. Why? Because you find some sort of validation in what you do. If questions as to your ability to deal with the consequences of your actions arise perhaps you should evaluate your path. Either embrace what you are and deal with the repercussions of your acts or find something else. Please do not take this as a personal attack... simply advice from one who is trying to find his own path. Now for the harsh, undeniable truth. One who is confused as to the response to their actions does not truly understand them. You need to evaluate what you are doing and who you are doing it for. Whoever taught you about how you go about living your life neglected, or didn't know themselves, the proper way of things. You admit yourself you are confused. You speak of injustice, when injustice is exactly what you're seeking being a pirate. You take away from others and complain when others take away from you. Now, does that make sense? Once again, do not take this the wrong way. I do not mean to belittle you. Many go about their lives not knowing why they do things. This does not make them fools nor does it make them worthless. But what it does make them is blind. It seems you are close to opening your eyes and see, truly see where your path leads. On a personal note, I do find it rather ironic someone seeking freedom to hunt without retribution is afraid of being preyed upon themselves. Not to mention that if there were no "high security rating" targets in 0.0 space that you would only be hunting... gasp Other "Pirates". Originally by: X3S Originally by: Sofring Eternus If the pirates prey on the corporations and pilots that claim and maintain sovereignty of the 0.0 space whenever they try to travel between 0.0 and empire. And it is pirates that blockade the routes for corp business you cannot honestly expect them to let you trespass in their space can you? They have the right to shoot anyone they want. It sickens me to see pilots leave the protective shelter that concord provides in high sec to enter pirate dominated space without harrassment. Everyone seems to be trying to erradicate Pirates, when they should be aspiring to be like them. If standing up against concord makes me a target to everyone, so be it. So, in other words you want to have your proverbial "cake" and eat it too? Quite the ideological dilemma you have yourself in there. I shall raise a glass to you when you finally wake up and realize you need to either find another profession or accept your place. Until then... I shall sit in my station, read these messages and sigh as I realize few pilots are truly worthy of the power they possess... which of course makes it easier for others to take advantage of them. My final words of advice? Learn. Learn what you truly are and accept it. Do not let the outside world dictate what and who you are. Live by your own code but accept the fate you seek.
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.09.12 08:09:00 - [14] From one murderer to another, I think you know the answer to this already. The law is what you make of it. This is because it's out of your hands and in somebody elses. Anywhere but planetside that somebody is frequently CONCORD. You'd be a fool to place any long term faith in CONCORD. Personally I'm waiting for the doublecross coming down on all the Empires when their coffers have built up enough. But more specificly to your question, what's the matter with you? You're talking about pirates and they already attack most venerable traffic, especially softer targets whome are likely to be positive sec status capsuleers. This just doesn't make sense to me, but since I'm not you then maybe I need to suck dry and eat a few of my personal servants too before it will come together. "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Ebon Seraph The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2007.09.13 12:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Ituralde CONCORD is only interested in it's own self-determined justice, happy to slap each other on the backs for their public works while turning a blind eye to countless atrocities across space committed by Capsuleers and the Empires alike. Like any police force, they are nothing more than a parasitic entity that survives on the popularity it creates for itself among the people it makes a show of coddling. Great Injustice? Well, they aren't necessarily out to cut your throat (unless it might look popular) but they certainly don't have anything save their own power and egos in their interests. Certainly not the great beacons of morality and order they style themselves as but hardly in of themselves (for everyday purposes that is) a 'Great Injustice'. The major "Injustice" in CONCORD lies not in any particulars of the organization but rather in the national entities it is built upon. If they see themselves as an intergalatic police force, what laws do they enforce? I am under the impression, that CONCORD follows its own mandates, putting itself above the laws of established Empires. I can easily forsee the day where they will establish their own authority over the other Empires, proclaiming themselves as the one true law over the rest. I can easily see CONCORD being the polar opposite of the Star Fraction in idealogies and beliefs. Casserina Negathema of the Blinded Eye Ebon Seraph recruiting!
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:40:00 - [16] Whenever someone mentions CONCORD, an old saying is always brought to my mind: "When law is absolute, there is no justice." -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:22:00 - [17] Funny thing to see pirates, terrorists and anarchists discussing the law. _____________________________________ Hello, i like to shoot random people.
Natalcya Katla Astropolitan Front	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:36:00 - [18] I agree to a large extent with miss Leshrac's assessments. Unlike her, though, I would welcome such a development. I believe that the days of the salad bowl of space are nearing their end. I look forward to the era of the melting pot, stirred by the hand of CONCORD.
DeadRow Dragonstar	Posted - 2007.09.13 22:54:00 - [19] Null space is lawless, so it'd be abit hard to ban them from it /DeadRow
Kilhu Emmek Minmatar Redshift Industrial	Posted - 2007.09.14 09:17:00 - [20] My initial reaction is "huh?" but I think the point's been addressed adequately, so I'll move on to say: as long as the connies and the SEC tolerate slave trade in State and Empire space, I'll consider them little better than hired thugs. Upholding one law in the Republic and another in the Empire is the worst kind of hypocrisy in that it allows injustice and bondage to grow like cancer. It's about damn time the Minmatar people and our friends and allies in the Fed and among the Thukkers get a great big scalpel and start doing some surgery. Don't even get me started on the hypocritical punishment of the booster trade--if I'm a free citizen, doesn't that freedom extend to whatever I wish to do with my body, including ingesting whatever substances I choose? Didn't mean to jack your thread ... I just never turn down an opportunity to point out how morally bankrupt CONCORD really is. -- Recruiting.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.14 18:01:00 - [21] To tell the truth, I'm not that fond of CONCORD myself. Yes, they keep our space safe, but they shoot first and ask questions later. Assuming they had comparable firepower, what's to say that the Republic Fleet couldn't do the job just as well? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
X3S Minmatar Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.09.14 19:29:00 - [22] I have the utmost respect for pilots with a -10.0 security status. They might be the underdogs in the universe, but when was being good cool?
Verone	Posted - 2007.09.14 19:51:00 - [23] Originally by: X3S Concord... Enemy or Ally? I'm on the fence here, and I'm going for option three : Halfwits. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Verone Originally by: X3S Concord... Enemy or Ally? I'm on the fence here, and I'm going for option three : Halfwits. I'll take this option too. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Letheeth Kayl Amarr Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.15 06:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Natalcya Katla I believe that the days of the salad bowl of space are nearing their end. I look forward to the era of the melting pot, stirred by the hand of CONCORD. When Concord starts "stirring" me and mine, I will happily respond with a volley (or 80) of tachyon fire to the nearest planet housing a substantial Concord industrial or population center. I trust Concord as much as I can kill them, and not an iota further. But I'd have to agree with my confusion of Concord and "law" in lawless space. They are there, if by a very small token. So they have no fleets patrolling, not sentry guns to rain down death and damnation, but they do have a passive weapon, and that is "Aggression." May the Lord forgive me for using His name in vain, but I often find myself screaming when one of those sissy nanny gate controlers (concord hired no doubt) tells me I am denied access for "aggression". EMPEROR ALMIGHTY! It's lawless space, and if I could, I'd have the gate keepers' heads on a stick every time it happened. Now, I'm a God fearing Amarrian girl, so I don't go sticking people's heads on sticks, but I ought to. Aggression, BAH! Concord should be exterminated for this travesty of travesties. That they don't condone Preemptive defense shows how untrustworthy and small minded they truly are. And don't be fooled, those of you taking option three, beneath that veneer of bureaucratic incompetence is a dastardly scheme to seize power for itself. I look forward when the Mighty Empire and the Shrewd State cast of this leech and smite it down for what it is. Put down the mirror and return to live With pain With sin With despair Live with penance in God's glory Lesson of Tobias and the Mirror Scriptures Verses26-29
DeadRow Dragonstar	Posted - 2007.09.15 07:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Nachshon To tell the truth, I'm not that fond of CONCORD myself. Yes, they keep our space safe, but they shoot first and ask questions later. What? When did they start asking questions? /DeadRow
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.09.15 09:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Nachshon To tell the truth, I'm not that fond of CONCORD myself. Yes, they keep our space safe, but they shoot first and ask questions later. Assuming they had comparable firepower, what's to say that the Republic Fleet couldn't do the job just as well? Hmmm they shoot after the criminal has shot the victim. Don't twist events, the ones that shoot first and ask later are the navys, even if you are just passing by. In my time as a Fed Navy Operative i have never ever seen Concord fire first. _____________________________________ Hello, i like to shoot random people.
Natalcya Katla Astropolitan Front	Posted - 2007.09.15 23:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Letheeth Kayl When Concord starts "stirring" me and mine, I will happily respond with a volley (or 80) of tachyon fire to the nearest planet housing a substantial Concord industrial or population center. I was tempted to make a very flippant reply to this, but out of respect to certain other people, I won't. Instead, I'll point your attention to this: CONCORD is not, has not ever been and hopefully will not ever become a planet-centric institution. While they might have a handful of installations on some of the planets and moons within the Sanctum constellation, there is no such thing as even a minor planetary CONCORD industrial or population center - much less a substantial one. To see what a planet run by CONCORD might be like, you'd have to go to Stain - but that's a digression. I'm afraid, Pilot, that in order to make good on your threat in the way in which I believe it was intended, you would have to turn those guns of yours on a CONCORD station. You could always try it, I suppose. As far as the Amarr Empire and the Caldari State going off alienating CONCORD all by themselves goes, that would almost certainly result in CONCORD putting its full weight in support of the remaining two interplanetary superpowers. That would more than tip the balance of arms in that bloc's favor. CONCORD has a lot of firepower at its disposal, and it is highly unlikely to simply let itself be smitten.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Glauxian Brothers Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.09.16 16:04:00 - [29] However, it remains true that concord is nothing but a nuisance for honest people. If you want justice here you have to take it by your own hand, and ISK. Ridiculous concord reputation rules only make living in low security space more difficult, since all you get is these so called security hits every day you defend your property, unless you pay hilarious sums of bribes. With current "justice" system low security space will always remain as a paradise for every kind of piracy. However that's not my problem at all, but more like the fact that if I would live in low security space fighting against every kind of scum I'd be soon denied access to higher security systems, while the real scum using every kind of backdoor in this "justice" system would enjoy high concord status. It's pretty funny. Really. I stopped caring about concord status a long time ago. It's nothing but a bad joke.

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