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Celticjim	Posted - 2004.02.13 03:10:00 - [1] Not to quelch the burgeoning movie makers out there, but in the last two months, I have downloaded several movies from the links herein. Unfortunately, tomorrow will be the second time that I have to reformat my damn computer due to what appears to be trojans. Even crappier is that my McAfee Antivirus does not appear to be picking them up. So...my question is, has anyone else discovered any viruses in their systems, and if so, any idea as to what the dled proggie, if any from Eve, contributed to it? The only thing I have downloaded in the last several months is player movies. My virus scanner was catching all the e mails with the most recent virus running rampant, but it could have come from that as well. Just trying to track down the source. Any help appreciated. Cheers CJ
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.02.13 03:12:00 - [2] man the topic of this thread is totally misleading ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.02.13 03:17:00 - [3] There is no way that I'm aware of to open a vulnerability into someone's computer using a movie file. Not even with WM Format, which has a large number of enhancements to for multimedia experiences. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.02.13 03:20:00 - [4] Thanks Jash...I am by no way a techie, so I wasn't certain. I was thinking that some form of executable can be hidden in a movie file and executed in the background when starting an .avi, or other type of movie file. Could very well be my bloody emails that I have been getting then. One may have slipped by. Thanks CJ
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.02.13 03:25:00 - [5] Quote: Thanks Jash...I am by no way a techie, so I wasn't certain. I was thinking that some form of executable can be hidden in a movie file and executed in the background when starting an .avi, or other type of movie file. Could very well be my bloody emails that I have been getting then. One may have slipped by. Thanks CJ Microsoft specifically removed the ability to execute programs on a person's computer with a wmv back before version 7.1 I think. It's possible to force a person to visit a webpage using Windows Media Format. Except: 1) Most people here are using DivX 2) I think you'd notice IE opening I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
ElCoCo	Posted - 2004.02.13 03:28:00 - [6] .mpg files can be hazardous.... still, antivirus software should pick it up.
MyFixItGuy	Posted - 2004.02.13 05:16:00 - [7] umm just for the record some of these files i beleive are avi files which basically just run bitmaps across your screen. and there is a thing where you can have a virus or trojan inside a picture and when you open the picture it installs itself on your computer.
Disfigured Thief	Posted - 2004.02.13 05:25:00 - [8] What version of windows do you use? You may have some security issues if you have less than 2000. Just Browsing the internet can be dangerous! I wear 2 Trojans when I use Kazaa! _________________ My long, hard Iteron goes into space so deep...it be cryin'.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.02.13 05:30:00 - [9] Quote: umm just for the record some of these files i beleive are avi files which basically just run bitmaps across your screen. and there is a thing where you can have a virus or trojan inside a picture and when you open the picture it installs itself on your computer. No they are not. Nor have I ever heard of a virus/trojan using a valid image format as a delivery system. I have heard that you should never allow your modem to interface with strange modems without wearing protection otherwise you risk catching an STD. Microsoft at one time allowed a WM Format file to execute script files on the playing computer. That was around WMF 5 or so, I believe. We're now up to WMF 9 (passing through 6.0, 6.4, 7.0, 7.1 and skipping the 8s entirely). That's how long it's been since they realized it was a really bad idea. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Archemedes	Posted - 2004.02.13 05:43:00 - [10] Heh... if Microsoft (the inventors of the "let's let word processors perform high level system operations" mentality) realized it was a bad idea, it must have been REALLY bad! I've never heard of catching any sort of virus from a picture or movie file (other than a few "urban legend" type stories no one can confirm), unless it's a format that can run scripts. And all the movie format's I'm familliar with are limited to opening websites (and therefore tracking who watches them via cookies ), not running scripts.
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.02.13 06:08:00 - [11] Thanks all....sorry..was getting confused between Avi's and Divx. Basically now, going to reformat and then do a new install of a new antiviral proggie. I might be giving Norton a try now instead of Mcafee. The reason I posted about movies, was that I had always heard some rumbling they may contain viruses, but was never able to confirm. Thanks for the input everyone CJ
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2004.02.13 06:18:00 - [12] Divx installers tend to have data miners in them. Maybe just run AdAware instead of McAfee. á á á 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Kovak	Posted - 2004.02.13 07:23:00 - [13] Are you fully patched with Windows Update? If not you might be getting a number of worms hopping into your pc without you knowing... Move files by themselves are usually harmless its only when there is a flaw in one of the playback applications i.e Windows Media Player that things might happen. If it was any of the eve vids tho I'm fairly sure we would have heard of it, alot of ppl on the boards would have picked up on it. BTW unless its a hoax, and it doesn't appear to be thus far, someone released the win2k source code onto the inet. happy days ahead :)
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.02.13 08:05:00 - [14] Quote: Are you fully patched with Windows Update? If not you might be getting a number of worms hopping into your pc without you knowing... Move files by themselves are usually harmless its only when there is a flaw in one of the playback applications i.e Windows Media Player that things might happen. If it was any of the eve vids tho I'm fairly sure we would have heard of it, alot of ppl on the boards would have picked up on it. BTW unless its a hoax, and it doesn't appear to be thus far, someone released the win2k source code onto the inet. happy days ahead :) I've worked with Windows Media Format and Windows Media Player off and on since version 6.x. It's an extremely powerful combination, capable of many things most people never know exist. I can display banners in the windows media player. I can integrate the windows media player ActiveX control into several other programs, including custom coded programs. I can access and command many of the attributes availible inside the windows media player control (great practical joke: crank up the volume in a **** clip and send it to a friend at his office). I can control playback via embedded script commands, including the source of the playback in streamed scenarios. I can handcode an application capable of playing back files encoded in the windows media format. I can make a plugin availble to integrate with the windows media player I can digitally encrypt a file to control the playback of content I provide. What I cannot do is alter the contents of your computer, including the windows media player itself, without your knowledge and expressed permission. I can't even force you to download a required codec without assent. I think they may have even taken out the ability to 'push' a person's web browser to a url embedded in the file itself. Using a wmv file or the actual Windows Media Player to deliver a virus or trojan is physically impossible without already knowing how to bypass the security and violate the integrity of the OS itself. At which point it'd prolly be easier and more effective to use IE as a delivery method. Then apply for a job at Microsoft/McAffee/Symantec to teach them how to keep n0rty people like you from doing n0rty stuff. DivX is someone else's area of knowledge. But I can't imagine using official DivX codecs and installers to open any more leaks than those intended by DivX (the free version is spyware and they tell you that). I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Kunming	Posted - 2004.02.13 09:29:00 - [15] Don't use Kazaa or its variants. Use Direct Connect (DC++). Ofcourse you can always catch a virus if the downloaded file has a virus trojan but u will at least not have the damn spy- and ad-ware flooding your HD. Windows versions belove Win 2000 have security holes; open ports that were supposed to provide Mr Gates with all your information. In the end this open ports were used by hackers and alike to annoy us big time. These holes still exist in higher versions of Windows but they are watched and locked by Windows it self. (Or so we are told) Movie files are generally harmless, but .avi files should still be kept in eye. Intercepting since BETA
Lomex	Posted - 2004.02.13 13:23:00 - [16] There HAVE been a couple of viruses that used picture files, but only as a payload system. The virus it's self has to come from some form of executable, but once the virus is in place, instructions can come from any where. These viruses have only ever been directed. They wouldn't be general release viruses, its spread would be seriously limited and thats not what the majority of virus creaters are after. ___________________________________________ Join in the NEW Sci-Fi Quiz
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.02.13 15:53:00 - [17] Hey...thanks all. More info than I thought I would actually have thought I would have received. Much appreciated. I was using Win98se, but going to upgrade that today too. Now if I can just drag myself off my wife's computer and get to the task of rebuilding mine. For a non techie guy, this will take me a lot longer to do than the majority of you. Cheers CJ
scouting	Posted - 2004.02.13 16:10:00 - [18] Quote: I wear 2 Trojans when I use Kazaa! you open up 2 backdoors thats nice of you --------------------------------------- Last nights patch, was, without doubt, the worst ever. Rest assured that I was on the forum within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.

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