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Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:48:00 - [1] Why CCP? Do you hate Ice miners? Or me personally? I cannot think of any reasonable answer to this question. Strip miners are already barge specific with the CPU/Power grid reduction bonuses, macro miners will still mine whether its 1 m3 or 1,000,000 m3, and hauling anything in a freighter now-a-days is a nightmare. Lets make it better; reduce the cubic meterage of individual units of ice, and increase the pull amount of units per cycle.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:50:00 - [2] Wait wait..... Freighters full of ice are the new gank target?! -=^=-
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:51:00 - [3] Then dramatically decrease the yield on refining the ice... keep it proportional, then listen to the OMG they nerfed my Ice!!! WTF???!!! threads Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: TheDagda click For the love of the jovians stops necroing
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.09.13 15:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Then dramatically decrease the yield on refining the ice... keep it proportional, then listen to the OMG they nerfed my Ice!!! WTF???!!! threads Of course, this is a given.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Then dramatically decrease the yield on refining the ice... keep it proportional, then listen to the OMG they nerfed my Ice!!! WTF???!!! threads You'd have to, really. Otherwise the market price would drop like a rock and ice miners would whinge about that instead. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:38:00 - [6] So, er, you'd still be pulling in the same amount per m3? And 1M m3 = 1000 units @ 1 unit to refine = 1000x refinings, while after the change it would be 1M m3 = 10,000 units @ 10 units to refine = 1000x refinings. Err... If CCP wanted mining ice to be exactly the same as mining ore, they'd have made it that way. I for one like the variety T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:41:00 - [7] I would prefer to mine cubic centimeters of Ice. So I could begin a monopoly on ice in drinks in Eve. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:51:00 - [8] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I would prefer to mine cubic centimeters of Ice. So I could begin a monopoly on ice in drinks in Eve. Let us also mine cubic meters for those who want to carve ice sculptures at parties. I did a life-sized one of Seleene at the last MC party. Half of FRICK went home with frostbite on various body parts. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Dei Amarr Guiders' Of Light	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:51:00 - [9] The ice cubes aren't actually 1 kilometre cubed. To anyone who actually cares, the actual size is 10m x 10m x 10m, thus the 1,000m3 (if my maths isn't mistaken). Therefore the cubes aren't 'that' big, but they're still big enough I guess. If you can imagine one of these ice cubes as a house, that's how big they are. A kilometre cubed piece of ice would be astonishing. If such a piece of ice existed I would create an ice sculpture of something phallic to please the masses. --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Grimpak on 13/09/2007 16:55:33 Originally by: Dei The ice cubes aren't actually 1 kilometre cubed. To anyone who actually cares, the actual size is 10m x 10m x 10m, thus the 1,000m3 (if my maths isn't mistaken). Therefore the cubes aren't 'that' big, but they're still big enough I guess. If you can imagine one of these ice cubes as a house, that's how big they are. A kilometre cubed piece of ice would be astonishing. If such a piece of ice existed I would create an ice sculpture of something phallic to please the masses. exactly. if my (poor) maths are not wrong, 1km3 = 1000 x 1000 x 1000 wich is OMFGBIG! I can be wrong tho.... but I imagine that the masses would be pretty much pleased with such sculpture. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.13 16:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: An Anarchyyt I would prefer to mine cubic centimeters of Ice. So I could begin a monopoly on ice in drinks in Eve. Let us also mine cubic meters for those who want to carve ice sculptures at parties. I did a life-sized one of Seleene at the last MC party. Half of FRICK went home with frostbite on various body parts. I suppose we'd need to seed Chainsaw blueprints as well. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
UggaeZer0	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Why CCP? Do you hate Ice miners? Or me personally? I cannot think of any reasonable answer to this question. Strip miners are already barge specific with the CPU/Power grid reduction bonuses, macro miners will still mine whether its 1 m3 or 1,000,000 m3, and hauling anything in a freighter now-a-days is a nightmare. Lets make it better; reduce the cubic meterage of individual units of ice, and increase the pull amount of units per cycle. Reduce the cubic meterage of ice? They could make a special ship for that and call it the Rorqual! Oh wait they did
Eventy One	Posted - 2007.09.13 17:16:00 - [13] Hmm. You could mine ore or gas clouds instead? Ice is ice. I don't see the problem personally. Cheers Eventy One
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:11:00 - [14] What's this, a non-isk farmer mining ice? Can't you be banned for that?
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.13 18:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 13/09/2007 16:55:33 Originally by: Dei The ice cubes aren't actually 1 kilometre cubed. To anyone who actually cares, the actual size is 10m x 10m x 10m, thus the 1,000m3 (if my maths isn't mistaken). Therefore the cubes aren't 'that' big, but they're still big enough I guess. If you can imagine one of these ice cubes as a house, that's how big they are. A kilometre cubed piece of ice would be astonishing. If such a piece of ice existed I would create an ice sculpture of something phallic to please the masses. exactly. if my (poor) maths are not wrong, 1km3 = 1000 x 1000 x 1000 wich is OMFGBIG! I can be wrong tho.... but I imagine that the masses would be pretty much pleased with such sculpture. Iirc, you are indeed right, 1km^3 is ******* mahoosive! Akkarin Hopefully the mods won't play with this one <3 - Immy
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:05:00 - [16] - Ice mining is fine as it is. Why make it smaller? - No One would suicide gank a freighter full of Ice. Besides being not worth it, they would need another freighter to haul it with. - Ice mining has the distinct advantage of never-popping asteroids. (ok, so they can eventually be popped. But not in weeks and weeks of mining) That is an advantage that offsets the size.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Princess Jodi - No One would suicide gank a freighter full of Ice. Besides being not worth it, they would need another freighter to haul it with. Somebody doesn't know a lot about gankers Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking Originally by: TheDagda click For the love of the jovians stops necroing
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:11:00 - [18] A "rorqualed mindlinked" gang of max-skills, fully implanted mackinaws would be pulling around 60 blocks of ice per hour per mackinaw. In order to get a cubic kilometer of ice, you need one MILLION ice blocks. So, you'd need almost 17000 "mackinaw hours" to mine it. If it's a 9-mackinaw, 1-rorqual gang, that's 80 days (at 23 hours per day) of non-stop mining. _ EVE GOLDEN RULES \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:19:00 - [19] Alright, you people have pulled apart the whole gimick of the thread, 1000m3 is not a km3, but it still got you attention as was intended. As it stands, I lose out on ~930m3 of cargo space because Ice only comes in 1000m3 increments. having 1000 1m3 Ice units would fill my hold to the max and pretty much give me one whole extra unit of original Ice. Thus making me pull 9 units instead of the original 8, and give me more bang for my ISK. As for the new mining capital ship, the thing is a death trap; no one in their right mind will take a multi-billion ISK piece of equipment into low-sec to get destroyed by a handful of 10 year olds in battleships packing warp scramblers. The only people this mining capital helps are the already wealthy and well situated alliances who can lose a billion ISK like they lose a sock in the wash.
Vriomiunx	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Grimpak exactly. if my (poor) maths are not wrong, 1km3 = 1000 x 1000 x 1000 wich is OMFGBIG! I can be wrong tho.... but I imagine that the masses would be pretty much pleased with such sculpture. Uhm... You actually need mathskills to understand that kilo = 1000 and kilo^3 = 1000^3? and i thought that i was bad in math
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:43:00 - [21] so if i understand the OP, he wants them to make the size of ice units smaller, like say to 1/100, but everything else remain the same: same m3 mined per cycle of ice harvesters, in same amount of time. (or maybe just make them like strip miners, but with 5 min cycles?) 100 units to refine (1000 m3), with same refine yield per 1000 m3. so the basic end result would be more efficient transport and possible partial yields from ending a mining cycle early. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.09.13 19:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Alora Venoda so if i understand the OP, he wants them to make the size of ice units smaller, like say to 1/100, but everything else remain the same: same m3 mined per cycle of ice harvesters, in same amount of time. (or maybe just make them like strip miners, but with 5 min cycles?) 100 units to refine (1000 m3), with same refine yield per 1000 m3. so the basic end result would be more efficient transport and possible partial yields from ending a mining cycle early. Yep, exactly what I'm trying to convey.
Baaldor Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Why CCP? Do you hate Ice miners? Or me personally? Its...you. But as far the rest...eh, it would make sense. I am not a miner of any stretch of the imagination mind you, but Ice is one of those things I never understood why is was so difficult to deal with. I mean if you can fill four jet cans in an hour of ore, you should be able to do at lease half of that in ice, and be able to move it a little easier. I think it was one of those over complicated mechanics that really was forgotten. Aren't they comming out with some sort of compression thing for ore and such? THE PREVIOUS VIEWS AND STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT AND OR SUPPORTED BY THE MANY VOICES IN MY HEAD.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.09.13 20:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Baaldor Originally by: Derovius Vaden Why CCP? Do you hate Ice miners? Or me personally? Its...you. But as far the rest...eh, it would make sense. I am not a miner of any stretch of the imagination mind you, but Ice is one of those things I never understood why is was so difficult to deal with. I mean if you can fill four jet cans in an hour of ore, you should be able to do at lease half of that in ice, and be able to move it a little easier. I think it was one of those over complicated mechanics that really was forgotten. Aren't they comming out with some sort of compression thing for ore and such? They have released it, but the ship costs 2.5 billion ISK, uses fuel to compress (thanks CCP...) and is limited to low-sec/no-sec space. As any miner will tell you, unless you're in gods-nowhere 0.0, you will be found, you will be shot at, and you will be destroyed (eventually). I mine ice because its good money when you sell it on the edges of high-sec to the POS users, having to move 30 jumps into 0.0 to use a Roq is not my cup of tea.
boochaka	Posted - 2007.09.13 21:43:00 - [25] Just use Thermal ammo on the Ice and Gas cloud Harvesters afterward, and it will be 10m3....

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