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Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 00:59:00 - [1] IPO Name - Power In Isk (PII) IPO Vale - 525,000,000,000 or 525bil Mission: To provide one of the largest best Dividend IPO's to the Eve Community. Goal: Pay 10-12 percent Dividends. Share Value = 10m Isk How it will be ran? I will be running this as an Open IPO. Meaning I will have full function ability with the IPO at all times. Nobody can tell me how or what to do with the IPO, and there will be no plan to follow, Eve changes and so will the IPO to provide the best dividends to my share holders. How will it be monitored? If ray agree's I will keep my wallet public along with the possibility of a few other wallets so that at any time anyone can see what and where the isk is going. This won't solve the issue of my walking away with it all, but it will solve the am I skimming from the top. Where will the isk be invested? As above I will not be sticking to a standard plan, but as I do things you will know it. I will keep my shareholders informed every 3 to 5 days. Why 525bil Isk? Why Not. I think I ran one of the most successful smaller / mid size IPO's now its time to show I can do better. What do I gain? I will only collect payment if I hit 7% dividend. At that point I will take 10% of the profits. So in order for me to get paid anything I need to hit over 36.75bil isk a month. At that point I take anything up to 3.6bil isk. Anything after that number goes to share holders along with 10% going to me. How fast will the shares sell? This is a difficult question to answer, I can say I have been offerd a 525bil isk loan today if I wanted it. Not sure how serious it was, but it was offerd. IMO it will sell out within 2mths time. When will this start? I hope for June 1st. First dividend will not be until August 1st though. What if I scam? I own aprox 11 characters totaling over 200mil skill points. I could probably re-buy them with all the isk, but to me not worth it nor would I want to ruin Proton's or Deathgrip's name. But if I did scam there is nothing you can due but deal with it how ever you can. If anyone has questions or concerns, please ask, this is just a starting plan to go from there. I am putting a lot of time and research into this one creating spread sheets and such. Will I start off the IPO smaller and have it Grow? No. I want it big from the start and make it grow from there. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.09.14 01:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Shadarle on 14/09/2007 01:09:40 Assuming I'm still playing next summer and I have made profits till then like I have this past year then that 25 billion offer you got from someone would not be the only one of that size. I'd hope to have enough free isk at that point to buy somewhere between 1/10 and 1/5th of your business... I guess it will depend on how things go until then. Tho I do know that it will be quite hard to maintain 10-12% with 525 billion isk, I can't wait to see you do it! Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Naate Minmatar The Elear Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:13:00 - [3] I would be down for at least two billion. Come June it may well be considerably more, we shall see. :) Glad to see another IPO with your name attached, PP. Have had the misfortune of missing out on previous endeavours. --- IGB Corp Sites
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:19:00 - [4] I won't be investing a cent. But that's just me. (I don't doubt you could easily get all the ISK you're asking for in a month or even less.) 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:36:00 - [5] Wow, 10-12% on 525bil is incredibly ambitious. I know you said you have no set plan but do you have a rough area that you are going to target or just do a mix of everything? e.g. high-value trade, bluk trading, cap production, T2 production, BPC production, etc? If I'm still around then I'm sure I could well be interested in a sizeable investment.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:45:00 - [6] Why do you wanna do the best dividend IPO? We have recently got a few small IPO's, who offers these kind of payouts. And imo its better to have many small IPO's, rather than 1 huge. It seems to me like you have no real idea, but you just wanna do something big. I have no doubt that you can pull this off. But im just afraid of how this will affect the IPO market. Because who would invest in small IPO's, when theres a huge one, which will bring more or less the same dividend, when theres a gigantic one, which everybody will vouch for? Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Kitex Blacktag Test Labs	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:53:00 - [7] I don't think it will have any negative impact on small IPOs to be honest. I have yet to see an IPO with a solid plan and even a small sense of trustworthiness fail to sell. My observation is that there are too few for investor demand. Blacktag - Buy ships / Fittings / Drones / Ammo in BULK with Delivery!
LeGlt Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.14 07:55:00 - [8] ISSO had a 500bill IPO and only sold half, they also never paid above the minimum 5% - what makes you think you could do better? __________________________ Nice forum - I'll take it!
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.14 08:50:00 - [9] 10-12% profit from 525B in one person (or even small group of people) without sacrificing your life to Eve? Damn, that is quite hard goal to achieve. Personally I think it is impossible, but good luck anyway. _________ Always buying: pirate implants & high-end hardwirings Tech2 distribution service: 8 regions covered
Imperius Blackheart Caldari Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.14 12:29:00 - [10] Proton you hold a lot of respect from me and others I know, and have proven yourself time and time again to be reliable and great at giving people returns. However there just seems something odd about all this, at the moment i'm asking myself if I can affort to miss one of your IPO's again. You went Semi inactive not terribly long ago, then came back and said that you wanted to do another IPO with no subtance to the hows and no detail... what happened to that?
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.14 13:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart You went Semi inactive not terribly long ago, then came back and said that you wanted to do another IPO with no subtance to the hows and no detail... what happened to that? He also advised people he would be semi-inactive due to a post in the navy he had to fill or some such. My main question would be: If you run a public wallet, doesn't this run a risk on any business plans you choose to undertake in that everyone can see and emulate it? Having said that, I will sink about 10b into her, and depending on what the EBANK Board of Director's say there might be a chunk from that as well. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Block Ukx KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.09.14 13:49:00 - [12] DonÆt take this the wrong way. IÆm not trying to insinuate anything or discourage anyone from investing in your IPO. Just trying to look at the significance of your IPO from another angle. 525 bil ISK is about $36,000 US
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:19:00 - [13] The lack of plan concerns me - this feels more like a "let's see if I can do this" than a "I have plan of how to achieve this". What happens if you raise a large chunk of the 525 billion then find you can't achieve anywhere near your target returns? Is there a buy-back guaranteed for investors who want out becaue you aren't delivering what you semi-promised? If you don't have a conrete plan of how to do it, why not do it in stages? Start off with, say, 50 billion, then once you're achieving 10-12% profits with that issue another 50 billion etc. That way you don't over-reach yourself and end up with a 500 billion IPO paying similar to (or worse than) ISSO/BMBE/all the other big IPOs that pay crap. I'm not sure what BUSINESS reason there is for starting big - I can only see e-peen/scam reasons for doing it that way. Unless you actually DO have some specific plan which won't work with smaller amounts.
SencneS Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.14 15:33:00 - [14] This will probably hold no weight for others as PP and I are in the same alliance but he did say "Goal: Pay 10-12% Dividends" Although I have confidence in Proton to do the best possible thing to reach that. In the end it is still just a "Goal" I have no idea what he is planning but I do intend to be an investor. I missed out last time so I'm going to put a bil or two on the line for this time. Amarr for Life
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 01:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Imperius Blackheart Proton you hold a lot of respect from me and others I know, and have proven yourself time and time again to be reliable and great at giving people returns. However there just seems something odd about all this, at the moment i'm asking myself if I can affort to miss one of your IPO's again. You went Semi inactive not terribly long ago, then came back and said that you wanted to do another IPO with no subtance to the hows and no detail... what happened to that? I am still Semi Inactive. As of October 1st I leave to guard oil rigs and Africa for 7 to 8mths. When I get back the IPO would start, just working out the plans and seeing if and where people are interested at. There will be more substance added over time, but due to planning this out 6-7mths in advance my current plans can easily change. Originally by: LeGlt ISSO had a 500bill IPO and only sold half, they also never paid above the minimum 5% - what makes you think you could do better? Because the reason I want to do this is to show that a Large IPO can and will work, and to show people that ISSO should have been and should be paying out double what they have. If is no secret I dislike ISSO. Originally by: LaVista Vista Why do you wanna do the best dividend IPO? We have recently got a few small IPO's, who offers these kind of payouts. And imo its better to have many small IPO's, rather than 1 huge. It seems to me like you have no real idea, but you just wanna do something big. I have no doubt that you can pull this off. But im just afraid of how this will affect the IPO market. Because who would invest in small IPO's, when theres a huge one, which will bring more or less the same dividend, when theres a gigantic one, which everybody will vouch for? I think when my IPO hits the market and people see the dividends people will get more interested in the IPO market again. Once my shares are sold people will still need smaller or even bigger IPO's to invest in. Originally by: Ambo Wow, 10-12% on 525bil is incredibly ambitious. I know you said you have no set plan but do you have a rough area that you are going to target or just do a mix of everything? e.g. high-value trade, bluk trading, cap production, T2 production, BPC production, etc? If I'm still around then I'm sure I could well be interested in a sizeable investment. Kinda like I said above, I have a few idea's atm, but things will change in eve greatly over the next 6-8mths due to Rev 3 and this war going atm. So I will wait until things get closer to confirm any plans. Again though, I will not put out a 100% I am sticking to this due to I don't want anything to hold me back to make investors isk. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:09:00 - [16] Originally by: SencneS This will probably hold no weight for others as PP and I are in the same alliance but he did say "Goal: Pay 10-12% Dividends" Although I have confidence in Proton to do the best possible thing to reach that. In the end it is still just a "Goal" I have no idea what he is planning but I do intend to be an investor. I missed out last time so I'm going to put a bil or two on the line for this time. Thanks mate. And as you said, I expect first 1-2mths to be lower as I work things out, but key is I get paid nothing unless I hit 7%. And lets face it, I don't plan on doing this for free. Originally by: FastLearner The lack of plan concerns me - this feels more like a "let's see if I can do this" than a "I have plan of how to achieve this". Originally by: FastLearner As stated above there will be an initial plan when time gets closer, but it will be subject to change always. Just like PCT, its initial isk was for POS's, then I got into Componets, then I got into Trading, I like to play eve to have fun and if I only do one thing it gets boring for me. Also Eve changes, so I have to adjust my plan to make sure I am always making the best dividends I can for my Share Holders, and so I get paid at the end of the month as well. Originally by: FastLearner What happens if you raise a large chunk of the 525 billion then find you can't achieve anywhere near your target returns? Is there a buy-back guaranteed for investors who want out becaue you aren't delivering what you semi-promised? Originally by: FastLearner Looking at my mailbox there is no if I get the 525bil :). But to answer your concern I will have a buy back policy, and I am glad you mentioned this, because I honestly just forgot to post it in my plan. Once I get a good solid buy-back policy in my head I will post it here. I will have to limit the amount each month, just so that I don't have to have 100-200bil isk sitting idle for buy backs. Now if I failed and cant hit my 7% + mark after 4-5 mths I would probably close the IPO out if thats what my share holders decided or if there is no realistic chance of me improving this. Originally by: FastLearner If you don't have a conrete plan of how to do it, why not do it in stages? Start off with, say, 50 billion, then once you're achieving 10-12% profits with that issue another 50 billion etc. That way you don't over-reach yourself and end up with a 500 billion IPO paying similar to (or worse than) ISSO/BMBE/all the other big IPOs that pay crap. Originally by: FastLearner I have to do this bigger because if I start with say 50bil only, the shares will sell within about 10min and I want an IPO many can invest into not just the rich. For my current plans putting the isk to work wont be an issue though. Originally by: FastLearner I'm not sure what BUSINESS reason there is for starting big - I can only see e-peen/scam reasons for doing it that way. Unless you actually DO have some specific plan which won't work with smaller amounts. Has to do with E-Peen some. Has to do with I want to run a successful Eve Company and possibly the greatest Eve Company. I don't see the purpose in scamming tbh. I have almost 100bil in isk, and about 10bil + in assets and probably another 20bil in characters. Again I really have no direct answer to this because face it, I could ask for 1isk and scam. Its just one of those things, you trust me or you dont. Originally by: Block Ukx DonÆt take this the wrong way. IÆm not trying to insinuate anything or discourage anyone from investing in your IPO. Just trying to look at the significance of your IPO from another angle. 525 bil ISK is about $36,000 US Not sure how to reply to this atm. I don't equate Eve with Real Money, nor do I need money, but 36k is a lot so can't act like it isn't at same timme. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Kesslan Osefice Panther's Paw Industries Ltd	Posted - 2007.09.15 02:28:00 - [17] Well from having worked with Proton before, and given his past track record, I'd probably invest what I could at the time (Which current isnt looking like much due to other expenses and such but who knows). While I worked sort of for Proton before with PANTH (what little bit we did do at least) he was allways quite straight forward with his dealings, timely, and quite fair (To some what generous) with his payments for components and the like. I certainly never heard a single complaint from those who delt with him (At least when it came to money) For me at least it makes any IPO he puts forth about as reasonable an investment as... well any other ivestment I've taken a risk on. So far I've avoided being burned too badly (And wished I'd bought considerably more shares of in others such as Zero.'s IPO) Not that my word counts for much of anything. Still, I suppose in the end I trust Proton as much as I trust anyone in EVE, and at least to date I've never found myself astray in my dealings with him. Quite the contrary.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.09.15 03:53:00 - [18] My first post questioning the ability to make 10-12% was more of a compliment to Proton as I was extremely impressed he believed he could do this with so much money. I definitely do not agree with the other people attacking him or questioning his motives/IPO plan. First off... there is not yet a plan! He said this is something he will be doing. At that time I'd expect a plan... now he is still determining the specifics. If, when he tells us his full plan, there isn't enough info then you can question him about that. Second... Proton has a rather unique position in the EVE IPO world. He ran a very successful business and is very well respected. Not many people share the level of trust and respect he has. So 525 billion to most would be way too much... Proton could prob pull this off. Third... I think 525 is too much money still. I think the IPO should be limited to my current liquid ISK at that point in time It will still be the largest IPO run by a single person! Heck, in 9 months it may even be at the level ISSO is currently at. Guess it will depend how well I do between now and then. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained

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