Originally by: iiOs

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just increase damage mod by 50% and reduce rof by 33% ( or whatever is should be so dps stay same)

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Originally by: iiOs

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just increase damage mod by 50% and reduce rof by 33% ( or whatever is should be so dps stay same)

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Originally by: Xequecal

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Edited by: Xequecal on 16/09/2007 17:49:11
That would allow deathstar POS guns to one-volley dreadnaughts.

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Originally by: iiOs

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just increase damage mod by 50% and reduce rof by 33% ( or whatever is should be so dps stay same)


thanks.-

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Originally by: Diana Merris

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Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".

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Originally by: iiOs

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just increase damage mod by 50% and reduce rof by 33% ( or whatever is should be so dps stay same)


thanks.-

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Originally by: iiOs

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just increase damage mod by 50% and reduce rof by 33% ( or whatever is should be so dps stay same)


thanks.-

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i agree that arty need boost but, as it was alredy said, alpha is not going to be changed (at least soon)

as said in the other post i see 2 ways to that

with a dps boost, to make it between lasers and rails (nearer rails than arty), and eventually adjust other parameters if needed

or with a range boost, to make it the longest range weapon

between the 2 i will prefer the dps one, i think it fit better to minnie "all gun" philosophy (range is more a rail/caldari thing) and also imo it have a sort of "continuity" with close range weapons.... on the other hand the range boost will be easier to implement and balance

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Originally by: Nian Banks

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Well if alpha is to stay on status quo, thanks to the hp buffs been deliberately to reduce the alpha pawnage then I still believe one thing.
If your lobbing shells from a 1400mm artillery, it should have the furthest range of all turrets. (excluding capitals) So if anything the artillery range in falloff should be extended many times over.

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Originally by: Lowanaera

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That doesn't even begin to follow. Nobody complained about arty alpha pre-HP boost because it was inline with other weapon systems, the highest but at a DPS penalty. It's still inline with other weapon systems now. You're talking about a massive boost to arty alpha with no corresponding change to other weapon systems. The HP boost is completely irrelevant.

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Originally by: Lowanaera

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Arty is just fine. Tempest is still the sniper of choice among major alliances for a very good reason.

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Originally by: Oedus Caro

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Er, that will never happen. Lobbing shells, as you say, takes time, and should probably take more time than any other form of long-range gun (even today, railguns can achieve muzzle velocities far in excess of conventional guns, and please don't try to tell me that lasers fire a beam slower than light...). During that time targets can move about, corrupting the accuracy. So if anything, they should have the shortest range.

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Originally by: "Cyberus"

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cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.

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Originally by: Ho Masubi

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Originally by: Oedus Caro

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Er, that will never happen. Lobbing shells, as you say, takes time, and should probably take more time than any other form of long-range gun (even today, railguns can achieve muzzle velocities far in excess of conventional guns, and please don't try to tell me that lasers fire a beam slower than light...). During that time targets can move about, corrupting the accuracy. So if anything, they should have the shortest range.

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Precisely why artillery has a terrible tracking and why i suggested the falloff been increased. Railguns have better tracking and naturally its optimal would be further which however has due to its smaller shell quickly slows down or deflected by debris thus meaning that evenif it hits, the impact at excessive distance would be negligible.
Artillery on the otherhand with its high mass would just keep going further, its accuracy though due to its lower velocity would be reduced thanks to transversal would be low. But still if it was lucky and hit, the damage wouldn't be that much less than if it was in optimal. Hense again why i believe artilleries should have high falloff and greater range. Perhaps even reducing optimal greatly so minmatar always live in falloff unless at extremely close range.

If we did live in falloff than our alpha would need a small boost also to counteract the negatives of falloff a little.

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Originally by: KD.Fluffy

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i agree that arty need boost but, as it was alredy said, alpha is not going to be changed (at least soon)

as said in the other post i see 2 ways to that

with a dps boost, to make it between lasers and rails (nearer rails than arty), and eventually adjust other parameters if needed

or with a range boost, to make it the longest range weapon

between the 2 i will prefer the dps one, i think it fit better to minnie "all gun" philosophy (range is more a rail/caldari thing) and also imo it have a sort of "continuity" with close range weapons.... on the other hand the range boost will be easier to implement and balance

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why do arties need a buff..... they aready have the best alpha, and capless weapons... Imo they should do less dps then other turrets.

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Originally by: Niffetin

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Originally by: KD.Fluffy

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i agree that arty need boost but, as it was alredy said, alpha is not going to be changed (at least soon)

as said in the other post i see 2 ways to that

with a dps boost, to make it between lasers and rails (nearer rails than arty), and eventually adjust other parameters if needed

or with a range boost, to make it the longest range weapon

between the 2 i will prefer the dps one, i think it fit better to minnie "all gun" philosophy (range is more a rail/caldari thing) and also imo it have a sort of "continuity" with close range weapons.... on the other hand the range boost will be easier to implement and balance

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why do arties need a buff..... they aready have the best alpha, and capless weapons... Imo they should do less dps then other turrets.

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Tachyons have the best alpha, sorry.

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Originally by: trouser boy

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I think you're underestimating railgun muzzle velocities a tad. Think about throwing a baseball in comparison to a high calibre snipers round. Momentum from hits would be an interesting addition though...

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