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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Cornucopian Edited by: Cornucopian on 17/09/2007 19:30:55 I wonder though, what would be your solution Celeste?
It would seem your argument is that fighting entropy is impossible in the long run. entropy can only be countered by labor. Technology has given mankind the ability to produce vast amounts of labor, and can be shifted to harmoniwe us with it so that our impact is less.
of course in the end entropy wins because the universe will go boom anyhow. it will take a couple of kajiggawillion years, but you are right in that we will ultimately fail.
I totally agree. But for starters I know of one human resource that is renewable and defies entropy. Words.
Also something about the big bang doesnt add up for me, as quantum mechanics is showing a very different picture of the "uni"verse.
I believe we need a cut in population by about 4 billion (as the earth can only sustain 2 at the most). A restructuring of cities into arcologies, combined with a rethink of political will and ideas. Mankind needs a plan in short. Corporations should be building a better world, not just for man. I spend alot of time thinking about these things and they are very complex and I wont say that i have indeed a majority of the answers. Instead sharing this knowledge can help get others thinking too...
Also the length of dicussion that can be had over all these factors being dicussed should not be underestimated, nor should we see anything resembling a coup de grace by any poster in this thread. These problems are intergenerational and should be treated as such.
Tbh id like humanity to be around for the lights to go out (if the big bang theory is accurate).
The thing with arcologies ( and from this I take the term as a seperate biosphere created just for man which is self sustainable and needs no resources other than the ones it has and recycles indefinitely) is that they will require many more years of those heartless corps developing techonology, and also mass externalization since no way in hell can we make em for 6 billion people.
I do agree with you that arcologies are a glimpse into a very, very bright future. especially if we can make em independant of outside factors, i.e. on the seabed, the moon, halfway into space, or on another planet. I also believe that the current environmental shift we see in human beliefs are a start on the path to such technologies: watch both inconvenient truth as well as the great global warming swindle and you can see that both man as an individual and corporations have their place in the achievement of such lofty goals.
I wish I would live to be 500 years old so I could see this stuff come to fruition. 500 years ago elizabeth the first sat on the UK throne and the US was but a wet dream. imagine 500 years from now. this is why I like vanilla sky. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: Some say that at some point the universe will start to contract, leading to a new big bang.
It's been shown through astronomical observation and mathematical calculation that that theory is no longer valid...
Not going to happen...
I really doubt there is hard evidence. could you maybe link me some? we know the universe is still expanding, we dont know that this expansion will be endless.
RIP
There is no hard evidence for any of this, lol...
The BIG RIP is the leading theory most widely accepted these days...
awwww darkie, dont leave out all the other theories.... its so...... selective.
ALL the theories instead of just the one :-)
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Originally by: Royaldo
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DarkMatter
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: Some say that at some point the universe will start to contract, leading to a new big bang.
It's been shown through astronomical observation and mathematical calculation that that theory is no longer valid...
Not going to happen...
I really doubt there is hard evidence. could you maybe link me some? we know the universe is still expanding, we dont know that this expansion will be endless.
RIP
There is no hard evidence for any of this, lol...
The BIG RIP is the leading theory most widely accepted these days...
awwww darkie, dont leave out all the other theories.... its so...... selective.
ALL the theories instead of just the one :-)
I'm at work atm, can't really play the linky-link game...
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 17/09/2007 20:17:04
I direct you here cornie.
Arcology is the marriage of ecology and architecture, this does not mean our biome is seperate from the one outside, in fact it creates more biome outside. It also allows for a smooth transition into the quest technologically and philosophically to explore beyond this world. As the concept has an objective not a short term goal. It's a society that always thinks ahead and makes the today about tomorrow by building on the best that came before. I don't think it's impossible, but at the moment improbable. Please explore the concept though and give it serious thought.
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: Some say that at some point the universe will start to contract, leading to a new big bang.
It's been shown through astronomical observation and mathematical calculation that that theory is no longer valid...
Not going to happen...
I really doubt there is hard evidence. could you maybe link me some? we know the universe is still expanding, we dont know that this expansion will be endless.
RIP
There is no hard evidence for any of this, lol...
The BIG RIP is the leading theory most widely accepted these days...
awwww darkie, dont leave out all the other theories.... its so...... selective.
ALL the theories instead of just the one :-)
I'm at work atm, can't really play the linky-link game...
doesnt matter, I just updated mu above post. all the theories are based on incomplete data, so cannot be construed as proof. I dont favor any one of them, but they are all hypotheses. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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DarkMatter
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:13:00 -
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Quote: all the theories are based on incomplete data
As is any theory, lol...
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval I direct you here cornie.
yeah ive seen it before, very cool. It's all early days yet but such projects, as well as things like ITER and the US imperative for a manned mission to mars all give me personally hope for a bright future. the thing is, its all based on technology, which IMHO needs even less constraint from religion, economy and politics.
check this out Celeste, and get those comics if you can, they sketch a picture of a formal earth independant moon colony creating helium 3 and other isotopes. you will really love it, I garantuee it. It has some VERY well thought out philosophic statements regarding economy and philospohy, as well as some very cool techonological ideas.
Dallas Barr
dont know if you can get it in the states, but give it a try, you will REALLY love it to death. the best grown up philosophical comic there ever was.
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Originally by: Royaldo
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: all the theories are based on incomplete data
As is any theory, lol...
yeah true, but I hope you agree with me that theories on the end of the universe are based on theories about theories about hypotheses, and therefore only slightly more valid than saying that the world was made by an omnipotent god: both the scientific and the religious stance cannot be proven to any extent; rendering them both a matter of 'faith' ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: all the theories are based on incomplete data
As is any theory, lol...
yeah true, but I hope you agree with me that theories on the end of the universe are based on theories about theories about hypotheses, and therefore only slightly more valid than saying that the world was made by an omnipotent god: both the scientific and the religious stance cannot be proven to any extent; rendering them both a matter of 'faith'
Some theories are better than others though, and have more recent supportive data.
The Big Crunch is losing ground the the BIG RIP theory as of late...
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:28:00 -
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I'll check it out. Also im in the UK not US :)
read this. It's related to, well pretty much everything.
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval I'll check it out. Also im in the UK not US :)
read this. It's related to, well pretty much everything.
I might have to get that, if only to educate myself in how to counter some of the arguments in it
bloody good thread btw... ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 17/09/2007 20:28:38
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote: all the theories are based on incomplete data
As is any theory, lol...
yeah true, but I hope you agree with me that theories on the end of the universe are based on theories about theories about hypotheses, and therefore only slightly more valid than saying that the world was made by an omnipotent god: both the scientific and the religious stance cannot be proven to any extent; rendering them both a matter of 'faith'
Some theories are better than others though, and have more recent supportive data.
The Big Crunch is losing ground the the BIG RIP theory as of late...
However, it is unlikely that humanity will ever know the univese as 100% factual & predictable... But the search for answers & the arguing about theories is the fun part anyways...
read this when you get off work... scientists do seem to favor the rip, but stress that nothing is certain.
Time Article ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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DarkMatter
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Posted - 2007.09.17 21:40:00 -
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Quote: read this when you get off work... scientists do seem to favor the rip, but stress that nothing is certain.
Time Article
Good read...
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Slandark
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Posted - 2007.09.18 03:20:00 -
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i havent read all of this but rest assured when oil runs out you better have invested in corn... you could be very wealthy....
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.18 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Slandark i havent read all of this but rest assured when oil runs out you better have invested in corn... you could be very wealthy....
really, try reading the whole thread. it's really quite good :-) ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.09.19 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Slandark i havent read all of this but rest assured when oil runs out you better have invested in corn... you could be very wealthy....
really, try reading the whole thread. it's really quite good :-)
aye lots of good ideas presented by pretty much everyone.
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Sharupak
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Posted - 2007.09.19 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 05:30:43 Saw this very interesting documentary last night about what will happen when oil runs out.
Oil production in the west peaked uh (iirc)in the 70's and has slowly started to decrease. SaudiArabia witch now sits on 2/3 of the world reserves is at its peak according to the oil industry itself. And when most of the oil is gone, it would be too costly to extract the small pockets of oil found here and there.
Now a lot of people say that we can find different energy sources. But even if you combine solar power with wind and bio fuwel you would still only have a tiny fraction of the amount needed to continue our current lifestyle. If we were to go nuclear we would need to build 20000 BIG nuclear reactors and it will deplete the world uranium reserves in 20 years.
We are now at the peak of the oil age, the top of the mountain. But now that we are on the top theres downhill all around us, it may be a near vertical fall of it might be smoother, time will tell. One thing is almost for sure and thats that in 3 generations time only 1/10 of the world 1% richest will be able to fly or drive a car.
Theres also those that say that if humans really had to develop technology that can replace oil, they could do it in a decade like in the 60's when Kennedy said the US where going to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. Well think of it more like this, it would be like saying we should colonize Pluto with 100000 humans by the end of the decade....an impossible task.
The US with its infrastructure would suffer a lot as their cities are designed with cars in mind. People in suburbia would be screwed. And cities had to be redesigned in order to house an effective public transportation. Europeans are lucky that way as their cities were buildt before the automobile was invented.
China and India witch today are desperately copying the west in order to become more developed have arrived to the party when the glass is half empty, and their thirst for oil will only increase. Anyhow, this documentary was a real sober reminder of just how much free rides cheap oil has given us, and that its thanks to oil alone that we have seen this remarkable growth here in the west for the past 100 years.
And the most disturbing part was that without all that cheap oil, the world would only be able to support a population of maybe 1-2 billion. Thats a lot less than the 6 billion people that will live here in 2030.
Trust me, its alot of crap. The petroleum company created oil shortage was already solved by this man in the early 1900s Nikola Tesla who proposed drilling holes a mile or two into the earth, pouring water in them and capping the hole with a steam turbine. The steam turbine is attached to a condenser that pours the water back into the hole. The turbine of course spins a generator. Then there is this man Tom Bearden who has figure out how to power your house for free...forever and has the patent. The energy crisis is COMPLETE bull****. The worthless solutions being proposed are designed to keep the populace at large under control and using as little resources as possible while making the gate keepers masters of the domain of earth while the rest of us have just enough energy to perform the duties of the corporate cog wheel.
Oh yeah, the oil company produced oil shortage...the truth is that old depleted oil wells are filling up again. Kinda makes you wonder if the big environmental groups work for the oil company dudnt it But that is a different thread.
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.09.19 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 05:30:43
We are now at the peak of the oil age, the top of the mountain. But now that we are on the top theres downhill all around us, it may be a near vertical fall of it might be smoother, time will tell. One thing is almost for sure and thats that in 3 generations time only 1/10 of the world 1% richest will be able to fly or drive a car.
Theres also those that say that if humans really had to develop technology that can replace oil, they could do it in a decade like in the 60's when Kennedy said the US where going to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. Well think of it more like this, it would be like saying we should colonize Pluto with 100000 humans by the end of the decade....an impossible task.
The US with its infrastructure would suffer a lot as their cities are designed with cars in mind. People in suburbia would be screwed. And cities had to be redesigned in order to house an effective public transportation. Europeans are lucky that way as their cities were buildt before the automobile was invented.
China and India witch today are desperately copying the west in order to become more developed have arrived to the party when the glass is half empty, and their thirst for oil will only increase. Anyhow, this documentary was a real sober reminder of just how much free rides cheap oil has given us, and that its thanks to oil alone that we have seen this remarkable growth here in the west for the past 100 years.
And the most disturbing part was that without all that cheap oil, the world would only be able to support a population of maybe 1-2 billion. Thats a lot less than the 6 billion people that will live here in 2030.
Trust me, its alot of crap. The petroleum company created oil shortage was already solved by this man in the early 1900s Nikola Tesla who proposed drilling holes a mile or two into the earth, pouring water in them and capping the hole with a steam turbine. The steam turbine is attached to a condenser that pours the water back into the hole. The turbine of course spins a generator. Then there is this man Tom Bearden who has figure out how to power your house for free...forever and has the patent. The energy crisis is COMPLETE bull****. The worthless solutions being proposed are designed to keep the populace at large under control and using as little resources as possible while making the gate keepers masters of the domain of earth while the rest of us have just enough energy to perform the duties of the corporate cog wheel.
Oh yeah, the oil company produced oil shortage...the truth is that old depleted oil wells are filling up again. Kinda makes you wonder if the big environmental groups work for the oil company dudnt it But that is a different thread.
Where do you live? Are you sure you dont belong in a jim thread on aliens? Depleted oil wells magically fill up nowadays do they?
What your talking about is geothermic power and its not as simple as drilling a hole on the ground and pouring water down it.
Also who are "the gatekeepers"? Please no illuminati crap. Everyone is a cog in the wheel, you can choose to change the way the machine works though.
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Sharupak
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Posted - 2007.09.19 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 05:30:43
And the most disturbing part was that without all that cheap oil, the world would only be able to support a population of maybe 1-2 billion. Thats a lot less than the 6 billion people that will live here in 2030.
Trust me, its alot of crap. The petroleum company created oil shortage was already solved by this man in the early 1900s Nikola Tesla who proposed drilling holes a mile or two into the earth, pouring water in them and capping the hole with a steam turbine. The steam turbine is attached to a condenser that pours the water back into the hole. The turbine of course spins a generator. Then there is this man Tom Bearden who has figure out how to power your house for free...forever and has the patent. The energy crisis is COMPLETE bull****. The worthless solutions being proposed are designed to keep the populace at large under control and using as little resources as possible while making the gate keepers masters of the domain of earth while the rest of us have just enough energy to perform the duties of the corporate cog wheel.
Oh yeah, the oil company produced oil shortage...the truth is that old depleted oil wells are filling up again. Kinda makes you wonder if the big environmental groups work for the oil company dudnt it But that is a different thread.
Where do you live? Are you sure you dont belong in a jim thread on aliens? Depleted oil wells magically fill up nowadays do they?
What your talking about is geothermic power and its not as simple as drilling a hole on the ground and pouring water down it.
Also who are "the gatekeepers"? Please no illuminati crap. Everyone is a cog in the wheel, you can choose to change the way the machine works though.
A constructive thinker who puts his ideas out there for open objective discussion jim? Yep, I post in his threads quite a bit.
If you would have read the link I posted you might find its not magic, it simply destroys the flawed idea that oil is produced by decomposed biomatter.
As far as geothermic power...Tesla was a real man that existed and if Westinghouse/jpmorgan would have put his inventions into production, this post would never exist. I have a copy of the schematics in a book which you can pickup at a barnes and noble, you might wanna switch up for a change instead of getting talking points from the latest bbc documentary.
True, everyone is a cog in the wheel. You can choose to change the way the machine works, however, we have been changing the way the machine works for 6000 years and its still a broke **** machine. Time to get the .308 out and use it for target practice. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2007.09.19 07:41:00 -
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See the nano solar cells, paint your house with it and you could power your neighborhood during the day, hook it up to a some batteries that can power your house for 18 hours and has a recharge time of 6, and your set.
To bad it'd cost ya more then you paid for the house. Fear the Ibis of doom!
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.19 10:38:00 -
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Celeste, read that article the guy posted.... its qctuqlly quite good and suggests that oil isnt running out at all....
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Energy.html ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.19 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian Celeste, read that article the guy posted.... its qctuqlly quite good and suggests that oil isnt running out at all....
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Energy.html
oh, and I was right all along: main will move on because they find something better than oil, not because oil runs out :-) ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.19 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak
Trust me, its alot of crap.
Why because you are some type of expert with a uneversity diploma knowing more than the scientists in the documentary all professors of their field?
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.09.19 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cornucopian on 19/09/2007 11:03:36
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Sharupak
Trust me, its alot of crap.
Why because you are some type of expert with a uneversity diploma knowing more than the scientists in the documentary all professors of their field?
no, because he quotes a scientific article that has about 50 other articles as a source and reference: all of which were written by chemists, physicists, engineers, geologists, etc. thats why. myabe read some of his crap before flaming him DK ? ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
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Mary Makepeace
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Posted - 2007.09.19 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Makepeace on 19/09/2007 11:17:56
Originally by: Sharupak
Trust me, its alot of crap. The petroleum company created oil shortage was already solved by this man in the early 1900s Nikola Tesla who proposed drilling holes a mile or two into the earth, pouring water in them and capping the hole with a steam turbine. The steam turbine is attached to a condenser that pours the water back into the hole. The turbine of course spins a generator. Then there is this man Tom Bearden who has figure out how to power your house for free...forever and has the patent. The energy crisis is COMPLETE bull****. The worthless solutions being proposed are designed to keep the populace at large under control and using as little resources as possible while making the gate keepers masters of the domain of earth while the rest of us have just enough energy to perform the duties of the corporate cog wheel.
Oh yeah, the oil company produced oil shortage...the truth is that old depleted oil wells are filling up again. Kinda makes you wonder if the big environmental groups work for the oil company dudnt it But that is a different thread.
i always love it when someone says that Tesla solved all the worlds energy problems as things usually go downhill very rapidly. The man did great science but he was also a *****pot and he is now the main saint to *****pots the world over.
i was intrigued by the statement that Tom Beardon has a patent on "free energy for all" so i had a look. and yep he does, he also has a science paper in Physics letters. the claim is that limitless free energy comes from vacuum. ie, nothing.
now you can patent anything you like, you just have to pay the fee. it doesn't actually have any value until you use that patent to assert your right to earnings made by the product. and this product will never earn a thing. it is snakeoil through and through. i am amazed the paper got in, it is terrible. i mean really really bad. check the reference list, all of the reference documents are written by one guy, basically like referencing the bible. the wiki page has some good info as well.
the wiki page
Quote: Tom Bearden announced the arrival of the MEG technology (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator) on March 26, 2002. This device was supposed to be in mass production by 2003, and claimed to produce unlimited energy from the vacuum, to answer mankind's power needs. It was promoted through JLNlabs[5], Cheniere.org[6], and an Egroup called "MEG Builders"[7]. The device was even written up in Vol. 14., No. 1, 2001, Foundations of Physics Letters[8]. As of 2006, the MEG was still not in production, and Tom Bearden claimed he needed about $11 million to develop it to a viable commercial form. [9] Bearden also admitted he had no working prototype, stating the 'last working demonstrator was promptly destroyed'. [10]
would you trust him with your millions? no working prototype and five years behind production schedule? yes, ah a man of discerning investment, let me tell you about this bridge, it is a good earner, regular tolls and is going cheap......
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Death Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.19 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
no, because he quotes a scientific article that has about 50 other articles as a source and reference: all of which were written by chemists, physicists, engineers, geologists, etc. thats why. myabe read some of his crap before flaming him DK ?
I was not impressed, nor convinced by what he posted?
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Posted - 2007.09.19 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Cornucopian
no, because he quotes a scientific article that has about 50 other articles as a source and reference: all of which were written by chemists, physicists, engineers, geologists, etc. thats why. myabe read some of his crap before flaming him DK ?
I was not impressed, nor convinced by what he posted?
granted. Did you actually READ the article though? abiotic petroleum sounds more than plausible to me. the interaction between the mantle and the crust could conceivably create such things. It creates diamonds out of carbon, why not oil? assuming that is a possibility, oil is not a finite supply and is recreated every day by the earth itself due to the crust/mantle/core interaction, and the pressures expressed through those means. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
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Mary Makepeace
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Posted - 2007.09.19 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Death Kill
Originally by: Cornucopian
no, because he quotes a scientific article that has about 50 other articles as a source and reference: all of which were written by chemists, physicists, engineers, geologists, etc. thats why. myabe read some of his crap before flaming him DK ?
I was not impressed, nor convinced by what he posted?
granted. Did you actually READ the article though? abiotic petroleum sounds more than plausible to me. the interaction between the mantle and the crust could conceivably create such things. It creates diamonds out of carbon, why not oil? assuming that is a possibility, oil is not a finite supply and is recreated every day by the earth itself due to the crust/mantle/core interaction, and the pressures expressed through those means.
i had never heard of abyssal abiotic hydrocarbons before. interesting idea but i have had hard time actually finding evidence of the model predict substantial oil field which according to the theory will be refilled as they are drawn upon. Whereas there is a large amount of success predicting oil fields on the basis of biological origin.
Why also are all the tapped fields not filling again? If they arise from this plentiful flow of oil from the depths, shouldn't they be being observed to refill?
i am kind of puzzled though buy the lack of one question? where does coal come from? you go to to any coal field and you will massive amounts of fossils. it is clear that plants really did under transformation in the crust to generate coal, this would seem a similar process to generation of oil.
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Posted - 2007.09.19 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
abiotic petroleum sounds more than plausible to me. the interaction between the mantle and the crust could conceivably create such things
Well yeah, but there are many things that are plausible. The step from plausible to research and development is gigantic. Surely if it was a case of 'lets just follow Tessla' then all the clever people with a high income would have used their cunnings to do actually that a long time ago?
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Posted - 2007.09.19 12:34:00 -
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When we run out of oil, we can always burn water ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs. |
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