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Artmedis Valben
Gallente Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.09.17 19:20:00 -
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It was stated during the developement phase that ME and PE of the input BPC would have an effect on the level of the ME/PE of the output BPC.
This is not the case and no mention has been given on an ETA for the implementation of this. Has this feature been totally scrapped?
I think you should allow research on the input BPC to negate the ME -4 / PE -4 base quality of an invented BPC so that a "perfectly researched input BPC would yield a ME 0 / PE 0 BPC (modified by the decryptor modifier if they are used).
My suggestion is to use 3^1, 3^2, 3^3 and 3^4 for the incremental reduction of negative ME/PE A ME3/PE3 BPC would thus yield a base ME-3/PE-3 T2 BPC A ME9/PE9 BPC would yield ME-2/PE-2 A ME27/PE27 BPC would yield ME-1/PE-1 A ME81/PE81 BPC would yield a ME0/PE0
Thus 81 would be the magic number for a perfect invention BPC it would also be a bit in tune with normal research in the regard that more and more research is neaded to gain less and less in terms of waste reduction.
What do you think?
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Mazhius
Observatory
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Posted - 2007.09.17 19:27:00 -
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i suspect it will never be implemented as it would provide too many variables tor t3 invention
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.09.17 19:39:00 -
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There's absolutely no variable in ME/PE of invented BPCs right now. You always get the same ME/PE depending on decryptor used. _
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.09.17 20:06:00 -
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It was a disapointment that using a researched bpc made no difference over an unresearched one.
I think something could be done to make it a bit more interesting, certainly, and your idea doesnt seem like a bad one, imo.
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Aykido
Gallente Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.09.20 15:54:00 -
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Any word from devs on this, Chronitis?
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Artmedis Valben
Gallente Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.09.22 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mazhius i suspect it will never be implemented as it would provide too many variables tor t3 invention
This cant be an issue since the existence of T2 BPOs in various stages of research already makes for almost countless variables.
The question of how to deal with negative ME/PE BPCs for T3 invention needn't be a complex one. You could simply have them add to the base at any pretermined ratio.
So lets say I have a ME 50 PE 20 Vexor and I use Stolen Formulas to Invent a 5 run Ishtar. If the variables I gave at the beginning of this thread were used I'd get an ME -4, PE 0 (instead of the fixed ME -7, PE -2 you get from Stolen Formulas).
Now lets say that for T3 invention, using a negative ME/PE for invention will hurt your invention base stats by half of the negative amount.
The above Ishtar BPC if used to invent an hypothetical T3 cruiser in 2009 (or something) would yield a ME -6/PE -4 base T3 cruiser (modified by the T3 decryptor used of course) I don't really see this as being overly complex at all.
And you could at best get an ME 0 PE +4 Invented BPC with the current decryptors even if you got the base stats to ME 0 PE 0.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar FSK23
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Posted - 2007.09.23 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Artmedis Valben My suggestion is to use 3^1, 3^2, 3^3 and 3^4 for the incremental reduction of negative ME/PE A ME3/PE3 BPC would thus yield a base ME-3/PE-3 T2 BPC A ME9/PE9 BPC would yield ME-2/PE-2 A ME27/PE27 BPC would yield ME-1/PE-1 A ME81/PE81 BPC would yield a ME0/PE0
What about, say some sort of rocket BPO that has perfect ME at 15 or so.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Minmatar FW Inc
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Posted - 2007.09.23 05:22:00 -
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Do you realize what that would mean for the bigger ship BPOs?!!?
Man you are insane!! The idea is fine but your numbers are way off for anything but modules.
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.23 06:19:00 -
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Well i think this is the last thing that needs to be fixed by invention. The negative me & pe leves make it hard to compete with the bpos that still exist, and unless ccp does something to make bpos disappear we will always have a bit of imbalance
i think that there should be some way to improve your me pe levels on t2 invetion. Whethet it be higher me/pe on the bpc, skill based, or even researching the result bpc.
I think rather than a set me/pe level it should be chance based on a number of factors. Lets say that inventing off of an unresearched bpc will give you a random result of it being somewhere between -4 and 0 me/pe. A researched bpc will make it a chance of getting between -4 and +2 me/pe. And maybe adding a best-named module will make it between -4 and +4. Then if you added a decryptor on top of all that it would make it somewhere between -2 and +6.
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Aykido
Gallente Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.10.02 12:59:00 -
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Is the dev team looking into this, or is it an idea that has been totally scrapped? I remember that before invention was released you said ME/PE research would play a role....
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.02 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: El'essar Viocragh
Originally by: Artmedis Valben My suggestion is to use 3^1, 3^2, 3^3 and 3^4 for the incremental reduction of negative ME/PE A ME3/PE3 BPC would thus yield a base ME-3/PE-3 T2 BPC A ME9/PE9 BPC would yield ME-2/PE-2 A ME27/PE27 BPC would yield ME-1/PE-1 A ME81/PE81 BPC would yield a ME0/PE0
What about, say some sort of rocket BPO that has perfect ME at 15 or so.
Researching another 66 levels for invention?
first its not hard if you want to do it second noone invents amo anyway _______________________________________________ EVEpedia[Deutsch/German] add
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.02 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eternus8lux8lucis Do you realize what that would mean for the bigger ship BPOs?!!?
Man you are insane!! The idea is fine but your numbers are way off for anything but modules.
im sure hes aware, his system is way better than that what we have now _______________________________________________ EVEpedia[Deutsch/German] add
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Clara Mismer
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Posted - 2007.10.03 03:31:00 -
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Another idea may be to allow researching of the BPC at some multiplier of the BPO's research time or the requirement of a skill and/or consumable to allow BPC research (corp datbases or something along the lines of research requirements for the tech2 BPO).
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CCP Chronotis
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Posted - 2007.10.03 10:25:00 -
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ME/PE should really help, it doesn't currently and we'll look into it but nothing for kali 3 on this front.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2007.10.03 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Laendra on 03/10/2007 18:54:17
Originally by: CCP Chronotis ME/PE should really help, it doesn't currently and we'll look into it but nothing for kali 3 on this front.
What about researching the BPC like Oveur stated in his blog and subsequent comments, about the lottery, so many moons ago. -------------------
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