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DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:14:00 - [1] France If you keep talking back to your parents, sooner or later they will punish you... You can have the most patient parents in the world, but you can't scoff at them forever and expect nothing in return... My Current Project
Krulla Minmatar Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:18:00 - [2] Edited by: Krulla on 18/09/2007 12:18:37 Man, Iran is so full of crap. They talk tough, but honestly, they won't dare to do anything. If they attack any non-arab nation, they'll be stomped flat by the EU and USA. They know this. And in the horrible case of them using they're nukes on any other nation, they know they'll have Iran turned into a giant radioactive parking lot by just about every other nuclear-capable nation minutes after they launch the first nuke. EDIT; Which, incidentally, would suck giant amounts of phallus for the rest of the world as that could trigger a nuclear winter, but hey, then we wouldn't have to worry about global warming. Also, IBTL for politics.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:22:00 - [3] Iran is like a forum troll. The more attention you pay them the more they troll. A pre-emptive forum ban is all that's needed. Proud steward of more public ISK than Motivated Prophet. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans.
Krulla Minmatar Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Ray McCormack Iran is like a forum troll. The more attention you pay them the more they troll. A pre-emptive forum ban is all that's needed. You summed up my entire post in two sentances.
Xen Gin The Dragoons X-PACT	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 18/09/2007 12:18:37 Man, Iran is so full of crap. They talk tough, but honestly, they won't dare to do anything. If they attack any non-arab nation, they'll be stomped flat by the EU and USA. They know this. And in the horrible case of them using they're nukes on any other nation, they know they'll have Iran turned into a giant radioactive parking lot by just about every other nuclear-capable nation minutes after they launch the first nuke. EDIT; Which, incidentally, would suck giant amounts of phallus for the rest of the world as that could trigger a nuclear winter, but hey, then we wouldn't have to worry about global warming. Also, IBTL for politics. Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Krulla EDIT; Which, incidentally, would suck giant amounts of phallus for the rest of the world as that could trigger a nuclear winter, but hey, then we wouldn't have to worry about global warming. Global warming + Nuclear winter = Business as usual Though a freind of mine insists Iran has a formiabble army.... Wouldent this just mean more air strikes and Naval bombardments - or does Iran have a hell of a lot more air/naval muscle than I credit it for? Originally by: CCP Morpheus Post with your alt.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 18/09/2007 12:18:37 Man, Iran is so full of crap. They talk tough, but honestly, they won't dare to do anything. If they attack any non-arab nation, they'll be stomped flat by the EU and USA. They know this. And in the horrible case of them using they're nukes on any other nation, they know they'll have Iran turned into a giant radioactive parking lot by just about every other nuclear-capable nation minutes after they launch the first nuke. EDIT; Which, incidentally, would suck giant amounts of phallus for the rest of the world as that could trigger a nuclear winter, but hey, then we wouldn't have to worry about global warming. Also, IBTL for politics. Iran dont have nukes. they have hardly enough to start a nuclear reactor for power, let alone build a bomb. doesnt matter though as they are going to be wiped out anyhow by some coalition of the willing ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Cornucopian they are going to be wiped out anyhow by some coalition of the willing And all in the name of increasing the subject matter available to Hollywood war film producers. Shocking. Proud steward of more public ISK than Motivated Prophet. Ask me about Secured ISK Loans.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Cornucopian they are going to be wiped out anyhow by some coalition of the willing And all in the name of increasing the subject matter available to Hollywood war film producers. Shocking. that, and oil + instability in the ME. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:54:00 - [10] Well let them sort out their crap in Iraq before thy even think about Iran, and there are a lot of things that every one seems to be missing, Russia is showing support for Iran and thatÆs a new step up in a very long time along with supplies of high tech Anti air batteries. USA wont go to war with Iran, thy already lost the one in Iraq, I knew it before the went in I was like ôyeahà.flowers lol, seems that some one forgot to read the history of Iraq since the ancient time those people where very hard to rule over, Sadaam would not have lasted 10min if he wasnÆt that ruthlessö 2 the whole BS of weapons of mass distraction, yeah we all know how that turned out. And oh France will take on Iran?! Nice I would realy love to see that..lol
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:56:00 - [11] This is the dark ages of US politics. Ironic considering it views its 'enemies' in this light. The US is playing a dangerous game with its myopic destabilation of the M/East and neighbours. Like all the 'guerilla' wars the US has been involved in this will end badly. That's why I agree with the Iranian minister linked. It is a poor nation indeed that seeks to destroy rather than build.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 18/09/2007 14:05:25 Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 18/09/2007 12:18:37 Man, Iran is so full of crap. They talk tough, but honestly, they won't dare to do anything. If they attack any non-arab nation, they'll be stomped flat by the EU and USA. They know this. And in the horrible case of them using they're nukes on any other nation, they know they'll have Iran turned into a giant radioactive parking lot by just about every other nuclear-capable nation minutes after they launch the first nuke. EDIT; Which, incidentally, would suck giant amounts of phallus for the rest of the world as that could trigger a nuclear winter, but hey, then we wouldn't have to worry about global warming. Also, IBTL for politics. Iran dont have nukes. they have hardly enough to start a nuclear reactor for power, let alone build a bomb. doesnt matter though as they are going to be wiped out anyhow by some coalition of the willing On top of that I find it hilarious that the west thinks Iran is "out to get us". When we are clearly displaying that message to Iran by sitting on huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons. If Iran wants nukes they can buy them from russia...under the table like. After all the UK broke the nuclear proliferation treaty by giving the technology to Isreal, and the west turned a blind eye to India and China. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein A blog of truth (not mine)
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Locus Bey This is the dark ages of US politics. Ironic considering it views its 'enemies' in this light. The US is playing a dangerous game with its myopic destabilation of the M/East and neighbours. Like all the 'guerilla' wars the US has been involved in this will end badly. That's why I agree with the Iranian minister linked. It is a poor nation indeed that seeks to destroy rather than build. The muslim extremists are playing the same game. Straus & Qutb both saw the west the same way. They both had different solutions to its problems. IMO they are both full of ****. The current conflict raging idealogically and physically across the world atm is ephemeral. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein A blog of truth (not mine)
Jernau Gurgeh Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:11:00 - [14] The West is clearly treating this like a game of high-stakes poker. Iran prefers chess. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Celeste Coeval Originally by: Locus Bey This is the dark ages of US politics. Ironic considering it views its 'enemies' in this light. The US is playing a dangerous game with its myopic destabilation of the M/East and neighbours. Like all the 'guerilla' wars the US has been involved in this will end badly. That's why I agree with the Iranian minister linked. It is a poor nation indeed that seeks to destroy rather than build. The muslim extremists are playing the same game. Straus & Qutb both saw the west the same way. They both had different solutions to its problems. IMO they are both full of ***. The current conflict raging idealogically and physically across the world atm is ephemeral. For more on Strauss and Qutb, check out the BBC's "Power of Nightmares" from a couple of years ago. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.*
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:15:00 - [16] There will be no war... That's what I get out of all of this... A lot of talk, no action IMO... My Current Project
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:17:00 - [17] Originally by: DarkMatter There will be no war... That's what I get out of all of this... A lot of talk, no action IMO... aye and if there is it will fail for both sides imo "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein A blog of truth (not mine)
Krulla Minmatar Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:42:00 - [18] Originally by: DarkMatter There will be no war... That's what I get out of all of this... A lot of talk, no action IMO... Pretty much. Iran talks ****, but I like to think that despite they're rethoric, Iran is run by intelligent people who realize that going to war would be suicidal. Though the west heavily dislikes Iran, they won't go to war, because Iran has too formidable a army. If, say, the US would go to war with Iran, they would probably eventually emerge victorious, but it would cost a heavy toll in lives and money on both sides. Noone wants to go to war, but it doesn't mean that they have to like each other.
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh The West is clearly treating this like a game of high-stakes poker. Iran prefers chess. Best analyses so far and very true, I am from the ME, I quite understand that statement. Iran is quite cleaver and the saw what happened to Iraq, they will not be so reckless, thy know its about Oil, and think about it whose benefiting from extra oil cost and this whole sheared? Russia likes it they are getting good deal out of the whole Extra price for Oil. Iran likes it, they sell a lot to China and that way they got more cash from China while making the Big red dragon upset with the west. USA loves it, since its getting more cash inflow from the Iraq oil to fund the war and the new government, without the need to ask the congress for more cash which will upset the people. So itÆs a win win situation for all the big players. That this keeps going on. And I do agree I donÆt really see a full scale war, and if so both sides will come out on the losing end.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Krulla Originally by: DarkMatter There will be no war... That's what I get out of all of this... A lot of talk, no action IMO... Pretty much. Iran talks **, but I like to think that despite they're rethoric, Iran is run by intelligent people who realize that going to war would be suicidal. Though the west heavily dislikes Iran, they won't go to war, because Iran has too formidable a army. If, say, the US would go to war with Iran, they would probably eventually emerge victorious, but it would cost a heavy toll in lives and money on both sides. Noone wants to go to war, but it doesn't mean that they have to like each other. the toll would be too heavy? you fly over with B2 bombers and vaporize anything with radar or a jet engine. then you fly over with B52 bombers and vaprozie everything with an AK. then you send in the USMC to pacify the region. losses, what, maybe a few thousand more than currently in Iraq? doesnt sound like a toll that would deter the US to me.... ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by:** Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:02:00 - [21] Edited by: DarkMatter on 18/09/2007 15:02:45 Quote: the toll would be too heavy? you fly over with B2 bombers and vaporize anything with radar or a jet engine. then you fly over with B52 bombers and vaprozie everything with an AK. then you send in the USMC to pacify the region. losses, what, maybe a few thousand more than currently in Iraq? doesnt sound like a toll that would deter the US to me.... Sure you could do that, that's the easy part. The hard part is what happens after you destroy them militarily, as can be plainly seen in Iraq... We rolled over the best Iraq had to offer, we'd do the same to Iran (with more aircraft losses of course). But good luck installing a government that will actually benefit you (West) in the long term... Iraq is a good model for how the Muslim religion (followers of the religion) just will not allow that to happen... My Current Project
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Cornucopian the toll would be too heavy? you fly over with B2 bombers and vaporize anything with radar or a jet engine. then you fly over with B52 bombers and vaprozie everything with an AK. then you send in the USMC to pacify the region. losses, what, maybe a few thousand more than currently in Iraq? doesnt sound like a toll that would deter the US to me.... 1. Iraq did not have an Army, it was starved and sanctioned for over 12 years, while Iran actually builds a lot of its weapons, and has some roomers about Operating S-300s, Russian Anti air missiles that do have anti stealth capability, you should understand that stealth capability is over 30+ years old and counters have long been developed. 2.Iraq had people who hated the regime and didnÆt mind it falling, but still after the war they turned back on the US, KIA causalities are indeed low, but thatÆs only due to Modern medicine, however severe disabilities and tragic injuries are much higher. While In Iran which vastly outnumbers the population of Iraq and with a much hard core loyalty to the state, I see invading forces casualties dramatically higher than the ones in Iraq, add to that training and I am talking about people who trained the Hizb Allah, who effectively kicked out one the most advanced armies in the world, but those will be much more better equipped. 3. navel strike on Iran is pure suicide, as Amrican based war games have shown that if the US and Iran went to way amirca could lose over 1 battle group, or an Nimitz class Air craft carrier at the lest and thatÆs in the best scenario. 4. the whole pacify the region kinda annoys me since I am from that region you talk about, and its very disrespectful in all aspects. We sir are not insects, and words like those where the cause of why the US is stuck in Iraq in the first place. Keep it civil
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:18:00 - [23] Edited by: DarkMatter on 18/09/2007 15:22:42 Quote: the whole pacify the region kinda annoys me since I am from that region you talk about, and its very disrespectful in all aspects. We sir are not insects, and words like those where the cause of why the US is stuck in Iraq in the first place. Keep it civil I can keep it civil, but it appears the Iranian president can't by ignoring the holocaust & stating publicly he wants to see Israel wiped off the face of the map... Are we supposed to take that kind of talk from him as a joke, serious, what? You tell me... Iran hates the US, it's plain to see. Iran does it's best to kill American soldiers in Iraq one way or another. Iran wants Israel dead, because of religion. Iran wants to be a superpower. They want nuclear weapons, and they will get them if nothing is done. I'd like nothing more than to never have to deal with the ME ever again. Problem is, you let countries like Iran do whatever they want, Israel will die, and then whose next? I would love to see ALL western countries lose interest in the region, and just watch what happens... Unfortunately, that's not going to happen in my lifetime... My Current Project
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:33:00 - [24] Originally by: DarkMatter I can keep it civil, but it appears the Iranian president can't by ignoring the holocaust & stating publicly he wants to see Israel wiped off the face of the map... Are we supposed to take that kind of talk from him as a joke, serious, what? You tell me... Iran hates the US, it's plain to see. Iran does it's best to kill American soldiers in Iraq one way or another. Iran wants Israel dead, because of religion. I ran wants to be a superpower. They want nuclear weapons, and they will get them if nothing is done. I'd like nothing more than to never have to deal with the ME ever again. Problem is, you let countries like Iran do whatever they want, Israel will die, and then whose next? What a government wants or says is up to the government, but this name calling is not going to get us any where. And thatÆs what I was talking about, I say that if the USA want to fight Iran then they have that option, but it dose not mean that individual people can say that USCM can pacify the whole region just b/c its sounds cool. That dose not make them any different from any ignorant or racist on the internet. Why dose the USA links its self to Israel? ThatÆs the questionà. I think thatÆs one of the cusses of 9/11 to be honest. Look into the history of Israel, and the kill/ death ratios that where done by a US agency to show you how much your miss informed about this state, youll find it on youtube a very nice documentary that shows that if 1 Israeli chilled is killed while 10 Palestinian chilled are killed, you are more likely to see the new of the Israile one 300% more times than you would know about a single Palestinian death. So thatÆs 10 news for every single death of an Israeli, while its 1 news for every 10 deaths of Palestinians. See I am not saying they are right or wrong but you must understand where that hate truly comes from, no one is neutrality evil. Dose it mean a mother who lost her chilled grieves more if he was killed buy a suicide bomber? Or grieves more if he was killed with a 1000 pound bomb dropped from an American made F-15? She doesnÆt care, but some one likes to use the words and image to show the other side as evil. I thought about this long and hard, in the end I found out that I cannot judge a man his puts his life on the line for what he believes in.
Born Slippy	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:45:00 - [25] Iran would walk all over France in war. France is only saying that because his mates are standing around him. But Iran will do what they want no matter what the UN & US say because they have the heavyweight's Russia and China taking care of them, and who's gonna argue with them?
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:47:00 - [26] Quote: Why dose the USA links its self to Israel? ThatÆs the questionà If we didn't, they would all die? That's a good place to start, no? Israeli citizens share common ground with us, they prefer the type of government we do as opposed to oppressive cleric or dictator rule... Yes, Israel has killed, I would too if I was surrounded by a group of people who wanted me dead because I'm an infidel... So lets say, the USA solves our energy crisis, and we no longer need oil, and as from what all of you say, we lose 100% interest with the ME all together. Please tell me what you think would happen if we picked up and left, and never returned, and never helped anyone in the region who asked for help. I'd like to hear your take on that. And see how much we differ on what we think would happen... My Current Project
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh The West is clearly treating this like a game of risk. Iran prefers chess. Fixed that for you. The next revolution won't be televised; it'll be pod-cast.
Sir Scorpion Black Banners	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:57:00 - [28] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Why dose the USA links its self to Israel? ThatÆs the questionà If we didn't, they would all die? That's a good place to start, no? Israeli citizens share common ground with us, they prefer the type of government we do as opposed to oppressive cleric or dictator rule... Yes, Israel has killed, I would too if I was surrounded by a group of people who wanted me dead because I'm an infidel... So lets say, the USA solves our energy crisis, and we no longer need oil, and as from what all of you say, we lose 100% interest with the ME all together. Please tell me what you think would happen if we picked up and left, and never returned, and never helped anyone in the region who asked for help. I'd like to hear your take on that. And see how much we differ on what we think would happen... But how did Israel get surrounded? Really? Whose land, is this democratic country thatÆs built on? If they are so smeller to you why donÆt you give them a chunk of Texas? Or maybe Scotland? See you donÆt take other peoples land and expect them to play nice. So its their problem, now when some one else interfere then it becomes their problem to, now since no side wont back down I think at least we should be at least respectful while we kill each other.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Sir Scorpion Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Why dose the USA links its self to Israel? ThatÆs the questionà If we didn't, they would all die? That's a good place to start, no? Israeli citizens share common ground with us, they prefer the type of government we do as opposed to oppressive cleric or dictator rule... Yes, Israel has killed, I would too if I was surrounded by a group of people who wanted me dead because I'm an infidel... So lets say, the USA solves our energy crisis, and we no longer need oil, and as from what all of you say, we lose 100% interest with the ME all together. Please tell me what you think would happen if we picked up and left, and never returned, and never helped anyone in the region who asked for help. I'd like to hear your take on that. And see how much we differ on what we think would happen... But how did Israel get surrounded? Really? Whose land, is this democratic country thatÆs built on? If they are so smeller to you why donÆt you give them a chunk of Texas? Or maybe Scotland? See you donÆt take other peoples land and expect them to play nice. So its their problem, now when some one else interfere then it becomes their problem to, now since no side wont back down I think at least we should be at least respectful while we kill each other. If it was up to me? I would gladly give them part of Alaska if it meant we would not have to deal with the ME anymore... What does Iran want with that land exactly? What Does Syria, Palestine want with that land exactly? Lets say we move the country of Israel out of the Middle East and they accept one of our States. What would the ME do next? How long would it be before the infidels in Europe needed to be moved? My Current Project
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:12:00 - [30] Originally by: DeMundus Diffrent view WTF!? If this happend at my university there would be a revolution! Dude, there's a whole separate thread on that issue... The guy got what he asked for, big deal... My Current Project

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