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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.09.20 13:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
This is compounded by the fact that EMP spreads its damage over 3 types, making it even worse.
How does damage being spread over several damage types make it worse? It makes it a lot better if the target is tanking heavily on one or two resists, and at worst its the same thing if he has roughly equal resists across the board.
Can i get a bit less damage but "spread over explosive type" laser crystal please?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.09.20 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTrucker 3000
The Vagabond is an exception to the rule and one of the few ones that can fight out of web range and live to talk about it. The Sleipnir is a glass cannon that requires a giant investment in snakes and faction gear to do the same as the vaga.
Lol. Are you implying that sleip w/o nanos+snakes is useless? Welcome to real world: sleip easily outdamages absolution and only reason it prolly will have ot warp away from 1v1 with abso is insanely high resist on abs. Except that even t2 fit sleip is nightmare on battlefield.
Also "do same as vaga". Hint: sleip can also tank. It even has bonus towards this, and tanks pretty well.
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Minmatar players that fight in PvP usually need many more skillpoints than the rest to be effective, that means it takes more experience to fly them well. Besides saying that Minmatar players do well in pvp is just anecdotal evidence that doesn't hold. You could say the same for Amarr or Gallente and it wouldn't be any different. The problem is that Minmatar have the stigma attached to them of the stabbed vagabond and nanophoon which terrorized so many noobs, but that time is long over.
Um clueless are we again? Guess why huginns/rapiers are best recons nowadays. And guess why vaga is still best solo roaming HAC. And why sleip isnt crap either. Ah - sabre... totalllllyyyy useless ship.
Instead of screaming on forums try actually pvping with said minmatar ships - they work pretty well. Ammo damage types is last issue anyways because 99% of the time you WILL use barrage. For the rest of combat you have EMP or PP (caldari/amarr t2) - nuff said.
Ah and i surely never had problems with "omg reduced damage im nurfed" in my sabre. Maybe because of my "so pathetic" damage killing target before he even gets to half of my shields?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.09.20 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTrucker 3000
Hint: every t2 tanking amarr ship fits a thermal hardener (this one is for free).
Hint: not every. There are quite a lot amarr setups that rely only on base resists. You can now pay me some isks because i dont give free advices.
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Another thing that your tiny intellect is missing is that the corresponding faction ammo is gimped too, which is what my main issue is about. People use faction ammo instead of the corresponding t2 version because they suck. And our high damage faction ammo is also gimped so we're screwed both ways for high-damage.
Stop crying start flying. Seems instead of learning how to use your "uber gimped" ammo in PvP you try to cry on forums. You get lower damage for price of having multiple damage types and STILL minnies come out on top of most mails.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.09.20 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTrucker 3000
A quick trip to your killboard shows that you used 75% amarr ships, 14% gallente ships, and 9% minmatar ships, which is exclusively the sabre.
What the hell are you babbling about? You don't know anything. You are just another noob that goes into every Minmatar thread and screams MINMATAR ARE FINE FLY MORE N00B. Do CCP just this one favor and stop posting.
Another hint: exaggerating facts like saying "uber gimped" and "cry on the forums" don't make your post look any less dumb and misinformed.
A quick trip to your killboard results in ZERO ships used. Either start PvPing or dont discuss it at all. Pretty much sums it up.
Also trying to personally attack me wont help you, because atm you are the only one in this thread trying to get some boost w/o having basic clue what hes talking about. You got already enough replies that stated the lower damage on ammo as exchange for multiple damage types is INTENTIONAL even showing that EVERY race in this game shares same "problem" (be it drones or caldari missile boats) with exception of khanid ships and raven.
Screaming around and throwing **** at other posters doesnt count as an argument fortunately.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.09.20 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
lol. FFS, if you care about this ammo, you should be flying minmatar and if you fly minmatar you should allready know the power of EMP and phased plasma...
I normally never post em, but: 
2 of them just for you.
Dont you know PP is useless? He explained it above. Oh wait... ;p
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.09.20 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceTrucker 3000
No need to see my killboard because I don't go around telling other people what to do. If you have a big mouth you have to back up with facts which you clearly failed and got caught.
1. you are preaching now. If you do it - back up it by actual KB stats. Atm it seems that i have "basic" clue how minmatar works (backed up by KB), you dont have any
2. another hint: if you want to check ships i used (or % amount if it turns you on) better check other KBs too. My TRI stats cover only 1 month, i flown sabre for a "bit" longer.
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Second, I'm not attacking you, I'm helping you. Read all your posts and you'll realize how whiny you sound. Are you 15 or so? Would explain a lot.
Only person whining here is you. I dont care at all because that "problem" is just your exageration. For me problem doesnt exist at all - i use barrage/hail/emp/pplasma (t1 ones not navy, didnt have time to buy navy ammo for sabre) and never had problem. They work as intended by upping my damage against specified target considerably. And thats nice change compared to amarr or gallente gunboats which cant change damage type to match their opponent.
Try shooting eos with astarte and then do same using sleipnir. It tends to give much better results with sleip (EVEN when using "gimped" ammo).
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Third, nobody else shares this problem, you don't know what are you talking about again.
Was already pointed out for you. Caldari missile boats (except raven) have SAME problem - they get MAX damage by using KINETIC missiles, by using other weapons they GIMP their damage.
Same for drones - if you want MAX damage from drones you use Ogre - because they have highest damage mod. If you want to deal em damage with drones you gimp your damage.
Variable damage types = lower damage. Only exceptions here are khanids (they are limited to one weapon type) and raven (hit with nerfbat?).
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Just because 3 peeps show up in some thread saying MINMATAR ARE FINE doesnt make it right.
Even if they are not fine the point you are making is least of the "problems" (as long as ppl agree its a problem, which clearly isnt)
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Maybe antimatter damage should be toned down since hybrids are already the highest dps, and the damage bonus makes up for the loss of overall damage right? I'd like to see the epic whine resulting of that.
Sure, Void might become useful again.
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Do you have any actual facts to provide? If not don't post here.
Then show your facts. Because there are none atm except for "damage is lower !! boost!!"
If you want more - i could link you to graphs (when ACs were gettign a boost) where iirc t1 ammo was used for comparisons. Boosting t1 ammo would mean graphs go up in damage = nerf autocannons. Happy with this "argument"?
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