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Monica 32	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:51:00 - [1] i have made more than a dozen setups in EFT using Absolution, Abaddon, Armageddon and Apocalypse Navy issue..as a result the Absolution seems to win as a l4 runner with this setup : 6 Heavy Beam II 1 cap recharger II 1 X5 webber 1 10mn afterburner II 2 MaR II 1 DC II 3 Hardeners 1 HS II 2 CCC this ship is faster, more agile, can do BS dps with 80-90% resists tank any comments?
Antikas Sourr Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:55:00 - [2] I have yet to get into an Absolution, though I say it looks good. I personally like the Armageddon the best for Lvl 4's, and I enjoy it more than a Abaddon.
Borasao	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:55:00 - [3] Now go fly them instead of looking at the paper calculations :) Absolutions can run L4s fine but so can the various BSs.
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:03:00 - [4] i dont see how you can run all that. EFT gives around 1:30-2 or three minutes of cap with that setup (w/afterburner off), unless you only plan on repping between targets. also im only getting a possible 453 dps with gleam, which is not 'BS dps' the best amarr mission runner is the abaddon. buckets of damage, great tank(resist bonus ftw), and probably about the same price as the abso. Meatwad FTW
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:08:00 - [5] If you know what you are doing, pay attention and want to run missions with high efficiency, nothing beats the Abaddon. If you are not exactly a PvE expert, and just want to go about your mission without a care and as safe as possible, Absolution is your best bet. Geddon can also do what the Abaddon does but not as good, and Apoc can also do what the Abso does but not as good, so I would not recommend either. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Sparkius Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:08:00 - [6] I fly an Absolution now, and it is similar to the setup you are using. I don't use an afterburner because I find moving around in missions to be mostly useless. I'm using Amarr Navy faction crystals, since they are easy to get from the LP store. The DPS isn't close to comparable to an Abaddon with 8 Mega Pulse IIs and faction ammo. The Abaddon can easily field as strong or stronger a tank with its resist bonus and the fact that you generally only have to tank against two damage types. The Absolution is fine for level 3 missions and can probably get along in level 4 missions, but a battleship will always do better. For that reason, I'm fitting an Abaddon to replace my Absolution when I unlock the level 4 agent for the corporation I moved to. <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." - Anoymous
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Monica 32 i have made more than a dozen setups in EFT using Absolution, Abaddon, Armageddon and Apocalypse Navy issue..as a result the Absolution seems to win as a l4 runner with this setup : 6 Heavy Beam II 1 cap recharger II 1 X5 webber 1 10mn afterburner II 2 MaR II 1 DC II 3 Hardeners 1 HS II 2 CCC this ship is faster, more agile, can do BS dps with 80-90% resists tank any comments? 1 heatsink = fail
Monica 32	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:42:00 - [8] i have 250k lp in imperial shipment atm using an abaddon doing l4s..ok i know it can do 716 dps with full tank and 5 medium drones..lets look at the problems : 1st) 716 dps are coming with pulses and faction mfs..so 20k range..you all know that about 50% of the time the enemy battleships orbit at 50km so i have to use at best faction microwaves tha droping my dps to 282 if you remove the drones. 2nd) you all know l4 rats are about 1/3 battleships and 2/3 frigates/cruisers/bcs...if anything smaller than a bs come closer than 15km large weapons becoming useless and i have to let drones kill it so 120dps max ... the point of the absolution is with medium turrets i can hit anything with full dps (625 with faction mfs and drones) at any range...the afterburner is used to go in optimal faster..
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:50:00 - [9] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 16:53:52 You realize there are such things as large beam lasers or T2 pulse with scorch? My pimped Abaddon does 1000+ dps at 38km optimal with 2 Tachyons and 6 Megabeams... Sure it does not permatank, but it does not need to either. And the absolute maximum you can pimp out of a beam Abso is like 700 afaik. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Monica 32	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 16:53:52 You realize there are such things as large beam lasers or T2 pulse with scorch? My pimped Abaddon does 1000+ dps at 38km optimal with 2 Tachyons and 6 Megabeams... Sure it does not permatank, but it does not need to either. And the absolute maximum you can pimp out of a beam Abso is like 700 afaik. i use beams in my abaddon also..8 mega beams II + drones = 885 dps with 2 hs2..but what you do when you have 30 battlecruisers/cruisers/frigates shooting at 5-15km range? you let the drones kill them? so max dps 120
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:47:00 - [11] I'm using a Sacrilege atm, works fine and have a big cargo. The Abaddom is boring... ________________________________________
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:50:00 - [12] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 17:50:47 Originally by: Monica 32 i use beams in my abaddon also..8 mega beams II + drones = 885 dps with 2 hs2..but what you do when you have 30 battlecruisers/cruisers/frigates shooting at 5-15km range? you let the drones kill them? so max dps 120 That never happens if you know what you are doing. Most missions have the enemies starting 35km+ away from you, so it is no problem to kill them before they make it under the range of your guns (And TC supported beams actually hit fine down to like 10km while they approach, I have killed cruisers with beams at 7km). And the few that do not (like Vengeance) are run with pulse lasers. Pulses supported by tracking comps have no problems hitting anything larger than a frig even at relatively close ranges, and frigs can be instamelted on approach almost every time, and the occasional one that does get through entertains the drones. Maybe this doesn't work so well when you mindlessly fill your mids with cap rechargers, but that isn't my fault Now mind you I am only talking about Amarr missions mainly against Blood, Sansha and Drones here, if you get stuff like Angels, Guristas or Serpentis massively swarming you I don't know, but you should not run those missions in an Abaddon in the first place. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Antikas Sourr Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Now mind you I am only talking about Amarr missions mainly against Blood, Sansha and Drones here, if you get stuff like Angels, Guristas or Serpentis massively swarming you I don't know, but you should not run those missions in an Abaddon in the first place. Serpentis and Angel's are not that hard, even my Geddon can easily wipe out Serpentis, in Angel's it takes more time but it's fine.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Monica 32 Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 16:53:52 You realize there are such things as large beam lasers or T2 pulse with scorch? My pimped Abaddon does 1000+ dps at 38km optimal with 2 Tachyons and 6 Megabeams... Sure it does not permatank, but it does not need to either. And the absolute maximum you can pimp out of a beam Abso is like 700 afaik. i use beams in my abaddon also..8 mega beams II + drones = 885 dps with 2 hs2..but what you do when you have 30 battlecruisers/cruisers/frigates shooting at 5-15km range? you let the drones kill them? so max dps 120 Little trick for those pesky close range cruiser. Fly parallel with them. Drops transversal to allmost 0 and makes you big guns hit hard
Opinionated Git	Posted - 2007.09.20 20:28:00 - [15] I've tried Abso, its doable but it isn't that fast, time wise.. A pimped 'geddon or 'baddon is the way to go, trust me.

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